MIchael80

Why do you think that everyone who has experience in a daoist neidan lineage disagrees with Chidragon? Everyone telling him that and still he does not listen at all. As if all these genuine practicioners know nothing. This has nothing to do with predjudice..... but everything he says is so many lightyears away from even basic neidan understanding it is almost impossible to think he is not trolling. It would be like if i say i know how to bake a cake and talk about how it is made of sand and dirt .... and baker would come and say "no this is completely wrong" but i would accuse them to be the baker police and they being full of predjudice.

Ah,.... you are just trolling us arent you!? I mean co'mon! That can be serious! That sounds like from a kid who has watched some taoist movies and heard a bit here and there about TCM etc. and comes up with his own childish story.

100% wrong.

I would frame it a little differently (but understand your point, would just say it is not a believe ....more like have you experienced chi and how it flows through the meridians and is distinct from physical matter? Same with jing? Yuanqi and jing are even more subtle...

Destiny is ming. In neidan this means yuanqi and yuanjing. Xing is yuanshen. As Zhang boduan says ... everyone has it but squanders it. Golden elixir is merged xing and ming.

We have to understand some things here. Prenatal Qi and Yuanqi are different forms of qi even though they are too often used as the same. The next thing is that preheaven qi cultivation happens only in alchemical practices. So these are methods that are part of an alchemical school or a system that comes from one. If you want to do these the ancient northern method of wuliu has opened to the public in 2023 and is a ancient neidan system. It contains preheaven cultivation. https://daode.world/ Or you could join yuxian pai which is also an ancient alchemical school. Their organ qigong works mostly postheaven but has some preheaven cultivation as well. Yuxianpai.com All the best

Bethupton.com She also has a YouTube channel where she speaks very openly about all stages of practice.