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Oh I thought you meant ‘entities’ …but insects?
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silent thunder replied to Chang dao ling's topic in Daoist Discussion
Rivers and Insects and Trees. Oh my! -
It’s full of something alright.
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Spooky!
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well put just as an example Tilopa appears in both Buddhist and Hindu lineage lists.
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silent thunder replied to Chang dao ling's topic in Daoist Discussion
My most intense and effective teachers have seldom been humans... -
I think what Sam is suggesting is that the idea of distinct ‘things’ called dzogchen or Chan may be confusing. I think it’s not about one thing dominating another thing but more something happened from which what we know as Dzogchen and Chan emerged.
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This forum is full of self taught masters
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Its what all the cool kids are doing now ;-)
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well now i need a crown of femurs made from my vanquished enemies...
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now were's my crown, I did put it somewhere, it must be here, am so forgetful.. well at last I have the age and the befuddled memory of a crone now
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Hello and welcome to the forum Shakti Abby, It is nice to meet a younger woman, who is a Devi-Bhakta. Not that I know what that means. I'm sort of novice here myself. Surprised that they would let me become a member with no qualifications. Anyway, good to have you here. I hope this place is everything you are looking for. Tommy
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I don't think there is anything in our universe that doesn't co-create and intermingle. Having investigated a couple of these traditions as a non-scholar on this topic, I think it is obvious that Buddhism/Ch'an, Taoism, and other traditions definitely co-mingled in China and influenced each other. Rather than thinking about these "movements" as separate, I tend to think of them in terms of the teachers. Enlightened teachers (in my experience) have ZERO qualms about quoting some Rumi, Ramana Maharshi, or whatever valid dharma they have met with and recognized in order to wake up their students. This story of intermingling isn't so much about traditions as it is about well-known, recognized and well-traveled teachers picking up teachings as they move through the world and using them as skillful means.
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My gal just shared this with me. I'm pretty firmly in the camp of you do you, be it gal, guy, both or other... Now... where did I put my femurs?
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This sums up my couple months long experience on DaoBums 😂
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What is that teaching, ..., nothing arises by itself. All things arise in dependence upon their respective causes and conditions. They do not arise without a cause. Words do not just denote a single meaning. They have connotations. Meanings associated with other things. And what is clear to you may not be clear to others. Communications is much like an art form. Not everyone gets it right away. Again, I apologize for my mistake.
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Impressive resume you got there, welcome
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Welcome Abby
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forestofemptiness replied to Chang dao ling's topic in Daoist Discussion
One might argue: Isn't it about saving all sentient beings, not a personal, transactional relationship? How could someone who possess such art have any need for goodwill? And imagine how one could destroy all the fake, seminar-selling pseudo-Daoists by exposing the actual information? And if it's truly self-secret, then what harm can come? Although, most people probably won't go for it if they have to give up wine, sex, and meat. -
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Master Logray replied to Chang dao ling's topic in Daoist Discussion
This is a yes/no question. The proper question is how much, how far can a person progresses without teacher. If the objective is 5% Neidan, then it may be workable, anyhow without a teacher doesn't mean absolutely no teaching or wait for strike of lightning type. Then one would ask why 5% is acceptable. It is actually what is happening in the world. When we set out to make money, would we aim for being the top richest man in the world? If we swim, do we aim for winning an Olympic medal? A certain result is good for almost everyone. -
There has been some work done about Dzogchen and Chan by Sam van Schaik, but he doesn't concur with the Chan influence theory. I believe he has updated this in his Tibetan Zen book, but here is an old article in which he suggests the influence may have gone the other way: https://www.academia.edu/34502820/Dzogchen_Chan_and_the_Question_of_Influence The Shaivism - Buddhist connection is summarized here by Wallis: http://www.sutrajournal.com/the-tantric-age-a-comparison-of-shaiva-and-buddhist-tantra-by-christopher-wallis It is clear that there was interplay between China and Tibet, and between Buddhism and Shaivism. What I find odd is hearing a lot of overlap between a range of Tibetan Buddhist practices (including deity yoga) and Advaita Vedanta via Swami Sarvapriyananda's oral lectures. There is also a lot of overlap with Shaivism and Shaivism provides some answers to things that aren't entirely clear in the Tibetan context. This suggests to me a common source, and if I had to speculate, I think the common source in Indian Tantra as opposed to Chinese influences. But I haven't really studied it since the practice is more important than the history. However, there are some similarities between some of these practices and Daoist practices as well, particularly as related to body/energy practices. My experience is that the "secrets" of Daoist practices tend to be close held and even when disclosed, tend to be to full time practitioners.
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Welcome Shakti :-)
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Could be Sam van Schaik or Jeffrey Samuel - I have read a lot of both.
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Bak fu Sunn yee gung complete level 1 is doable without a teacher. Not sure if it is available online anymore. Only a breathing sequence is needed then the rest is automatic.
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