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#17 RongzomFan

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 06:11 PM

Some modern Buddhist consider themselves atheists.


All traditional buddhists are atheists. Madhyamaka is the most powerful atheism on the plant. All Nagarjuna etc. did was attack the other Indian religions.
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Posted 03 November 2012 - 06:15 PM

Specifically as I understand it the Buddhist belief system is in the Anatman, and this was done intentionally by Buddha to get people to think outside the Hindu/Yogic system where the Higher Self is called the Atman.


atman means identity.

If you know that, then all the buddhist and hindu texts become clear.
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Posted 03 November 2012 - 06:16 PM

All traditional buddhists are atheists. Madhyamaka is the most powerful atheism on the plant. All Nagarjuna etc. did was attack the other Indian religions.


If by atheist you mean that there is no belief in any god(s) whatsoever then the traditional world view includes god realms ... but as I described above these are not considered worthy of refuge. Madhyamaka does not belief in the self existence of anything, so describe it as atheism is a bit limiting. Nagarjuna did more than attack other religions.

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 06:18 PM

Right but these gods have a lifespan and die. So they are not gods really.

Certainly not "Creators".

Edited by alwayson, 03 November 2012 - 06:26 PM.

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 06:23 PM

Horses for courses. Religious path is either encultured or a choice.
I can see the sense in folk from Buddhist cultures being Buddhists, same with those brought up in Islamic, Jewish , Hindu or Xtian ways to name a few.
What beats me is why anyone needs to make a huge jump from the tradition they were brought up to into an alien way.
Every path has its mystical/ cultivation type options and everything we talk about on here using Taoist-talk is replicated exactly elsewhere using different terms for the same thing.
Any path followed with good intent is as good as the next, neither better nor worse.
The mainly rather intense bods of western antecedent who take up Buddhism tend to be like converts to anything, rather over zealous often regarded, with some amusement if not a little contempt by the leathery little old ladies who run the centres and chat to each other in dialects the western convert will never truly understand.
For a religion to really fit and 'work' it needs to be something we are rooted in having taken elements thereof with our mother's milk.
All else is affectation mingled with self loathing all filtered through a sieve of nostalgic longing for a self- state that never was nor ever will be.



Every other path besides Buddhism is 'realist'.

Edited by alwayson, 03 November 2012 - 06:30 PM.

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 09:18 PM

Not too sure really; if up to my opinion. Buddhists are agnostic.
Buddhism is a path for practice.
The scriptures mentions deities, gods and goddess and powerful beings.

Over here in the east, most respects them as elders or teachers or sometume similar to family relatives while some dont outright.
The Buddhist path is independent of them as a beings,
So i cant be sure to proclaim anything.




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Posted 04 November 2012 - 09:43 AM

I heard one teacher say once that while Buddhism denies the concept of God it doesn't deny the nature of God.

Edited by rex, 04 November 2012 - 09:44 AM.


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Posted 04 November 2012 - 09:55 AM

I heard one teacher say once that while Buddhism denies the concept of God it doesn't deny the nature of God.


Sounds deep ... what does it mean?

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 02:11 PM

Atman does not mean "identity." I'm sure you know the difference, so I'm I'm posting this mainly for the OP.


Atman = identity.

Thats how Karl Brunnholzl translates it in "Center of the Sunlit Sky" for just one example.

P.S. Studying Buddhism or Hinduism on Wikipedia is a joke. No wonder you are confused.

Edited by alwayson, 04 November 2012 - 02:19 PM.

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 02:22 PM

Atman = identity.

Thats how Karl Brunnholzl translates it in "Center of the Sunlit Sky" for just one example.

P.S. Studying Buddhism or Hinduism on Wikipedia is a joke. No wonder you are confused.


Not a joke if the definitions are correct. I believe these sources are being used because they are easily available and it does not indicate they are the subject of study in themselves. I think accusing others of being confused in not appropriate in these circumstances.

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 02:58 PM

Pure Land is deistic to all intents and purposes.
Nothing wrong with that at all.
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Posted 04 November 2012 - 03:03 PM

Every other path besides Buddhism is 'realist'.

.....................
Not necessarily..
Taoism
Theosophy
Secular Spiritualism
To name but three non realist paths if I understand you to be using realist in the sense of non duality.
Sure to be several more and it does really depend on which Buddhism you use as a comparator, there being so many to choose amongst.
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Posted 04 November 2012 - 03:04 PM

Pure Land is deistic to all intents and purposes.
Nothing wrong with that at all.


Buddhas are not Creators.

And maybe this is ad hominem, but Pure Lands are merely bardo experiences according to a Sakya Loppon.

Edited by alwayson, 04 November 2012 - 03:06 PM.

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 03:07 PM

.....................
Not necessarily..
Taoism
Theosophy
Secular Spiritualism


I'm pretty sure, all three of those claim things exist.

Edited by alwayson, 04 November 2012 - 03:09 PM.

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 03:16 PM

He means it in the sense of eternalism


I mean it in the sense of existence. One cannot claim anything exists.
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Posted 04 November 2012 - 03:19 PM

Yep, this iPad exists at the moment. I just posted this message on it and it's still right here on my lap next to the cat.
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