neigong Drama and dishonesty

[小梦想]

Many of you know I don't post much these days, I just try to keep to myself, teach meditation to those who are interested and treat patients. 

Sadly, one of my students developed a massively superiority complex and I want to squish this drama before it can start. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0H9TghyCOwk

The above video is him explaining how it took him only 3 months to faqi, misleading everyone through his completely skewed timeline. He is not only lying to everyone, he is offering teaching which he has no authority to do and posting videos that he was expressively asked not to. He is currently regularly seeing brother wu and made it clear that he only cares about his own financial gain and getting a return on his investment. He outright feels that anything he learned can be taught without repercussion and WITHOUT PERMISSION. He is not authorised to teach anything from Authenticneigong or Gengmenpai, the school of the late Master Jiang Feng headed now by Master Wu (Brother wu to me).

I had to step in with this comment on his video.

"I think I will just step in here before this turns into a unnecessary battle.

 

Stephen started training with me in April 2022 ( I can prove this ), he took my seminar and did the practices that I teach. I took him on trips to get his health sorted, which was desperately needed. The reason it was free with Brother Wu, from gengmenpai, is because the blockages he had were already resolved on the trips with me.

 

He didn't take 3 months to faqi, it took much longer, was completely and totally assisted. Don't take my word for it, take his own video recommendation for my teaching. This is where his dantian was activated in Nov 2022, this is why his progress was so good. Don't be a chump, give thanks and credit where it is due. This already puts his at training for 6 months, not 3 and his eventual assisted faqi came much later still.

 

 

 

Also Stephen, Master Jiang specifically asked not to post his videos online, he doesn't want his face online and this is another thing you didn't respect or do. I am asking you now, to show some respect and do what is right. Take down all the videos you were not allowed to post, stop teaching practices you have no authority to teach."

He has been lying about who who learned from and who helped him get there, he has been posting videos he has no permission to do, he has been teaching practices which he has no permission to do and has started attacking my student base for calling him out on his lies.

Anyone in our discord can see old messages and Stephen posted often of his training, how grateful he was be learning and how he could feel the results, something very different from his recent online videos where he is trying to claim to be a messiah.

Unfortunately my comments on his videos can easily be deleted so made this post to warn newcomers to not fall for these lies and definitely don't train with someone who is a beginner themselves. When things eventually go wrong, he was no way of helping you. 

Hope this helps people not fall into the trap of believing the delusions of a man who clearly does not respect the traditions of internal practices and lineages. 
 

 

Edited 9 hours ago by 小梦想
Grammar mostly

[小梦想]

In the above interview, you can see how he dodges the question. 

Stephen started neigong kneegong with me in April 2022 and I took him to meet various teachers over the years helping him to recover his health. He was a student of mine, till 2 days ago when I kicked him for trying to steal practices and teach without permission. I can provide screenshots of the actual conversation that took place if needed.

So, it took him about 3 years to faqi with assistance, which is about average. He was my student for 3 years and 9 months, training my methods and I have old message from him to back this up when he messaged me to tell me how happy he was and how his faqi was so much stronger than others despite them training longer due to what I teach. (Don't quote me on this yet, will go confirm the exact wording)

 Also, only someone hiding something deletes messages and doesn't just respond to them. It should be fairly obvious to anyone here that I can provide tons of evidence to expose all his lies. 

 

Edited 8 hours ago by 小梦想

[-ꦥꦏ꧀ ꦱꦠꦿꦶꦪꦺꦴ-]

@HumanElectric Steven, since you are sharing screenshots, why don’t you be fully transparent and post the full conversation from discord that you’ve had with Rudi from the beginning of you joining his school? From start to finish 

 

 

 

Edited 7 hours ago by -ꦥꦏ꧀ ꦱꦠꦿꦶꦪꦺꦴ-

[cake1234566]

I've never learned from rudi and don't know too much about gengmenpai  but this reminds me of a lot of other situations that resulted in lineages being completely closed to the west

 

There's a stereotype out there, all westerners will take your sacred techniques and sell them as well as the masters personal info to the highest bidder without any regard for the lineage

The behavior from neigongdisciple is not helping to beat the allegations lol

 

 

Edited 6 hours ago by cake1234566

[diggorydogood]

51 minutes ago, cake1234566 said:

I've never learned from rudi and don't know too much about gengmenpai  but this reminds me of a lot of other situations that resulted in lineages being completely closed to the west

 

There's a stereotype out there, all westerners will take your sacred techniques and sell them as well as the masters personal info to the highest bidder without any regard for the lineage

The behavior from neigongdisciple is not helping to beat the allegations lol

 

 

 

I’ve been around the block for about 25 or 30 years and I have seen major western schools come up and many western schools close down (some legitimate, others not so legitimate). From the days of the wenwunkan (and the foundation training school opened by David Verdesi in 06) to other ancillary schools that hope to teach eager westerners for whatever reason (usually a gateway to GMP or other TLD or what not). There’s always a few people who tend to steal the teachings of another and try to market it to either teach or make some extra money. Or to become special

 

Regardless I do agree that the behaviour of neigongdisciple isn’t making the opinion very good. It seems like it is validating almost everything Rudi has said. It also completes a picture of his/her journey of sorts too - one that excluded the person that put you in contact with the healers in the first place. 

 

Whether it is martial arts, learning to cook, or even schooling, it is important to give respect and thanks to where you learned from (even if it was a pretty bad place). My large concern with what neigongdisciple has said is 

 

3 hours ago, HumanElectric said:

..because I refuse to become your walking billboard, as you indicated in these messages. Summed up, all I said is if you pay me I’ll agree, but I won’t pay you to promote you

 

I don’t think respect is monetary actually. I’m not sure where this message indicated that a simple I learned from these teachers would require a financial recompense. This does create a large misconception from the messages you have shared of what Rudi asked for. That being to be honest about where you learned from. You were honest that you learned from Wu, correct? You referenced Brother Wu, did he pay you? Did you ask for that level of agreement? I would imagine if you did he would’ve laughed or asked one of the senior students to handle you.

 

Perhaps the sentence here is something you didn’t mean when you typed it which if that’s the case it is fair and a misunderstanding of things. However, it not only makes you seem like the person that is money hungry, but it also makes you seem like your journey is for monetary recompense (and that’s ignoring the other major issues discussed by lineage heads and their tudi).

 

Another troubling aspect of the post is:

 

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I clearly stated that im not interested in charging monthly subscriptions etc and I never mentioned anything about wanting to open a school, unlike you who is taking several schools practices, mashing them together to create a system, then taking peoples money online, knowing they won’t make any real progress with you, unless they get checkups and treatments from a master, as I indicated in my video that you’re so furious about.
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Fun fact: you don’t own neigong. You stole the practices from people that you absolutely despise and now you accuse me of stealing from you, the actual thief.
 

 

I watched a few of your videos surprisingly enough and you called the dan tians the same as chakras. That may have been an innocent mistake perhaps but they’re not the same. But it would appear in some of your videos you’re combining things in ways that shouldn’t be combined especially from gengmen pai. We are told to never sit in full lotus (for instance) because the channels in legs aren’t fully opened (for instance). There are several other misconceptions and inconsistencies I see in your videos.

 

Are you sure the statement you are arguing in response to Rudi isn’t telling on yourself? 

 

True you may not be opening up a school, but you do have a small following of people who want to learn what you know and do what you can do (or at least get to the point to where they feel like they can). By being intellectually dishonest about some of these things and other aspects (e.g. not thanking other teachers and what not), aren’t you being a bit insincere and selfish? Especially in a place where everyone helps each other?

 

I sadly see this going down a very dangerous path. One I have seen countless times in fact. A person with a bit of skill branches out and is not transparent concerning the how they got the skill teach others practices that will do very little beyond getting a bit of foundation. Anyone who was involved in the early 00s knows what I am talking about.

 

Before any of that happens, try to actually make amends and show the proper respect because from what I gather without Rudi you wouldn’t even be connect to GMP or other healers. And it shouldn’t have to take such a public outing for it to happen. There should be something inside of you that wants to be thankful for what you have and the people who have helped you along the way.

 

We are never really doing this work alone. And we have people that help us out. Even if we have bad experiences, we are still thankful for what they have done. Be thankful for what Rudi has done for your development because it seems like he did a great job. Other GMP guys in our Romanian/Greek group also are thankful for what Rudi has done too

Edited 5 hours ago by diggorydogood

[Earl Grey]

The sooner you back down and correct your behavior, the sooner repair begins.

 

Please consider this—it will take more effort the longer you go down this path.

[Master Logray]

Without going into this case, I would like to know how teaching works in the west in general, online or not.   If the teacher invented everything from scratch,  then naturally the teacher should have the right of it, though not necessarily copyright.   But if the teacher himself is somewhat an assembler/integrator of techniques or even their lineage gathered techniques from every corner over the ages, then do the students fully bound by the teachings or some written agreements in non-disclosure?   And technically it would be very difficult to distinguish which is proprietary, does ZZ belong to a certain teacher?  So what stops a student from opening a competing business within months as @cake1234566 said?  

 

I am saying this is because it was and probably is common in China for the diligent students to open new businesses after they learnt enough and created sufficient networks/relationships - right next door to the boss/master/teacher's premises.   Of course it is not accepted morally.

[diggorydogood]

Breathe and think about things. This is the consequence of disrespect. I am sorry you were kicked out but you disrespected two schools. Two schools that helped you from what I gather. Rudi from clearing you of any blocks and providing proper practice and Brother Wu who gave you exposure to demonstrate any ability in the first place. 

Give respect to the groups of people that helped you. Maybe you will find another lineage that can help you with your education. But right now, please be respectful. 

[-ꦥꦏ꧀ ꦱꦠꦿꦶꦪꦺꦴ-]

3 minutes ago, 小梦想 said:

Heck, half your videos on your youtube is trips with me LOL

We can see you in the back of some of them too!

[cake1234566]

So to get things straight, you burned your bridges with both rudi and GMP
And you're still trying to make claims against rudi on behalf of GMP?

 

This is why you generally study ethics and conduct alongside your foundations training

Its not even an esoteric issue this is just not how you treat people

 

[小梦想]

23 minutes ago, HumanElectric said:

They also don’t charge you monthly subscriptions, to solely learn online and never meet the teacher in person, with the promise of making progress that will never actually be made.

No, but if you learned from me for 10 years, I would cost you £6000 total, to learn advanced levels they will never teach, and you already spent $55k, most of which you spent on gengmenpai trips flying back and forth. 

Online isn't perfect but it's accessible. To make it even more accessible, i dropped the initial seminar cost. If you take the 6 Month Vitality Restoring course which is only £59 a month (no joining fee), the core neigong course is only £58 a month (no joining fee) which includes all teaching, all levels. and once you are doing with all levels, access to the school and my training for life for free. This is my job, I need to earn money, but I am being as generous as I can be.

I also do in person seminars, 5 days of daily treatment and channels adjustment/opening with all herbs and everything included with review and additional teaching every day for $1500 total, no upselling at all.  Something that is optional to help students on top of all the online assistance. Some might say this is expensive but I have tons of expenses to cover when holding such events, it's at least reasonable. 

Not being defensive, just thought I would put it out there in case anyone didn't know.

Also

Don't confuse assisted faqi with real progress. 

For instance, Blake from the USA, is starting to be able to do solo faqi in his clinic, without me or master zhou around to open channels or help in any way. That is real progress, that comes from what I teach and do. 

I am actually going to do an interview with him this coming week and post online talking about this huge achievement and the insane benefits it's bringing his clinical results. Showing actual clinical results and feedback from his local patients. A few others are also able to do this but they would prefer to remain unnamed. I teach legit methods.

Edited 4 hours ago by 小梦想

[-ꦥꦏ꧀ ꦱꦠꦿꦶꦪꦺꦴ-]

37 minutes ago, HumanElectric said:

You don’t see me marketing practices at all. I promoted seminars and referred patients/practitioners to get treatment, then they learn from the teachers for FREE, safely at that, which is how GMP operates. It’s generally thought to not be safe to practice neigong unless you have no blockages, thus they don’t teach unless you receive treatment.

Another lie, I know of one person you are teaching who hasn’t gone to receive treatment, let alone met anyone from GMP in person.

Why do you keep saying things that can be so easily verified?

Edited 4 hours ago by -ꦥꦏ꧀ ꦱꦠꦿꦶꦪꦺꦴ-

[Dreamwalker]

Ouch! $55k down the drain, banned from 2 schools, and no more future prospects. Who in their right mind would teach you advanced practices after all this? All it took to fix the situation was to give credit where it’s due. Should’ve just invest that money into stocks, you could’ve been a millionaire by now.

Edited 4 hours ago by Dreamwalker

[HumanElectric]

11 minutes ago, -ꦥꦏ꧀ ꦱꦠꦿꦶꦪꦺꦴ- said:

Another lie, I know of one person you are teaching who hasn’t gone to receive treatment, let alone met anyone from GMP in person.

Why do you keep saying things that can be so easily verified?

Taught a practice or given advice? Verify ur claim. At this point since u guys want me to teach so bad, I might as well. 🤷🏾‍♂️

[小梦想]

I literally just asked him to note in the video descriptions that he is a student of my school. 

I do not feel like I was being unreasonable and my tone was calm and respectful. The first time I saw his 3 months to supposedly faqi I was a little upset which is why some of the screenshots show me upset. It felt like a huge slap in the face to not mention me at all. 

I did not want this to turn ugly but you cannot let people steal and do what they want with zero consequences regardless of feeling sorry for him.

The reason he was asked to post his full conversation history with me was to show how many times in the past I went out of my way to help him, out of my way to give him special treatment. That is why he won't post it and I don't want to beat a dead horse by posting more now. I genuinely help where I can and I don't hold anyone back unless it becomes clear that they have alterior motives. 

For instance his first message to me which I had forgetten about, giving him 3 months break from payment because he just lost his job, without him needing to ask. I also told him not to even worry about making up the missed payments. 

People online want to paint me as this horrible angry miserable person, but this just isn't the case. I don't let anyone walk over me, but I certainly go out of my way to help anyone who needs it. I am sure anyone I kicked or removed will say negative things about me, but the vast majority will tell you I help where I am able.

 

[-ꦥꦏ꧀ ꦱꦠꦿꦶꦪꦺꦴ-]

7 minutes ago, HumanElectric said:

Taught a practice or given advice? Verify ur claim. At this point since u guys want me to teach so bad, I might as well. 🤷🏾‍♂️

The mistake was teaching people who can’t keep a secret. I will let you figure out who it is.

[小梦想]

10 minutes ago, 小梦想 said:

 

I did this by accident, I don't actually have anything to post. Happy Thursday everybody.

Edited 3 hours ago by 小梦想

[小梦想]

Thank you. Yeah I have no idea why he posted it, doesn't do him any favours. 

Even the ones of me being upset and criticizing Brother wu, I never posted my opinion publicly. He now effectively brought into the public. Not a smart move as even though it's my opinion, he is the one spreading it.

It's not like it's new to any of my students that the relationship isn't good. I adored Master Jiang Feng, but me and brother wu just didn't click.

[Adam the Sage]

This is so sad to see. I've been training with Rudi for about 4 years now. Genuine, stand up guy. His interest in helping with all aspects of health and training is undeniable. 

 

[Apech]

While I realise that this thread might be cathartic or therapeutic for some of the posters on here, for most of us it just serves as a warning not to have anything to do with anyone involved.  I think it might be worth while thinking about what exactly the purpose of all this bickering online is.  
 

As a moderator I am considering locking the thread as I don’t want the board consumed by this dispute.

 

A.

 

 

[小梦想]

3 minutes ago, Apech said:

While I realise that this thread might be cathartic or therapeutic for some of the posters on here, for most of us it just serves as a warning not to have anything to do with anyone involved.  I think it might be worth while thinking about what exactly the purpose of all this bickering online is.  
 

As a moderator I am considering locking the thread as I don’t want the board consumed by this dispute.

 

A.

I feel it serves a pretty useful purpose in making people aware of someone actively promoting themselves falsely and teaching stolen practices without having any permission to do so.

YouTube comments can be deleted and this at least spreads awareness that deception is being used in the videos and the training offered in done so by someone without the experience to help should something go wrong.

I feel by locking it you would be doing new seekers a disservice.

Edited 3 hours ago by 小梦想

[HumanElectric]

3 minutes ago, Apech said:

While I realise that this thread might be cathartic or therapeutic for some of the posters on here, for most of us it just serves as a warning not to have anything to do with anyone involved.  I think it might be worth while thinking about what exactly the purpose of all this bickering online is.  
 

As a moderator I am considering locking the thread as I don’t want the board consumed by this dispute.

 

A.

 

 

Lock it brother. There was no purpose for this thread to begin with. All of this could’ve been kept between him and his subscribers. Coming here to incessantly rant about not getting free promo is a disrespect to everyone’s time and intelligence.

[小梦想]

As you can see, him being all for locking it gives him an escape out of his actions. Locking it benefits deception and makes life harder for earnest seekers going forward.

Please allow people to have their say, to give their opinions on the situation and in doing so, help others make informed choices about teachers and methods out there. 

This is hopefully something daobums stands for. Helping new seekers find their way and not into the trap of those who would be dishonest.

I am not bashing or flaming someone here, I am providing evidence showing that deception is taking place.

Edited 2 hours ago by 小梦想

[Dreamwalker]

Some newbie teaching advanced practices could cause unsuspecting people to develop deviations, especially when said newbie has zero TCM knowledge or experience in fixing deviations. If keeping this thread open can save 1 person from potential deviation, it’s a no brainer.

[HumanElectric]

2 minutes ago, Dreamwalker said:

Some newbie teaching advanced practices could cause unsuspecting people to develop deviations, especially when said newbie has zero TCM knowledge or experience in fixing deviations. If keeping this thread open can save 1 person from potential deviation, it’s a no brainer.

What am I teaching and who did I teach? I told people to go to seminars and learn the practice for FREE to avoid such an issue. Go watch my YouTube channel Neigong Disciple, come back and let the community know if I ever stated otherwise. Those unknowing online learners, paying monthly subscriptions to learn so claimed advanced practices, who have no intention of receiving treatment or in-person guidance from a master, will have to worry about deviations and such.

 

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