Listener Posted Friday at 08:43 PM I believe I developed a Qi deviation in my heart area many years ago through haphazard energy practice. A few months ago after about twenty minutes of erotic visualization, I started to get some vibrations in my back that then moved to my chest. This felt terrible, like a rock in the center of my chest. Later on, unwisely thinking it would help me relax, I ejaculated. After that I had what I can only call an attack, with major pressure in chest, and vibrations, discomfort, and numbness throughout my body. I have been to the ER and had a doctor's visit and there are no indications of any heart issues, or any other issues. I am not doing any practices now, but several weeks ago I tried doing cloud hands, and that caused a major buildup of pressure in my chest. I have lost the the ability to have sexual sensation, pleasurable sensations of the skin, and worst of all, almost all emotion. Can someone explain what has happened to me, and what I need to do to be healed. Is there someone who can help me with in person, or distance healing? I have gone to an acupuncturist several times with limited benefit. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sanity Check Posted Saturday at 04:17 AM What type of haphazard energy practice were you following? I've read about many cases that sounded similar to yours. As far as I know, the best practice is to cease any type of cultivation or training when negative symptoms begin to manifest. If the practice is dropped early then there is a good chance things will return to normal. But if people persist and continue to practice after symptoms begin to emerge, then there is a greater chance of permanent damage. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lairg Posted Saturday at 06:05 AM (edited) You may wish to consider if you had excessive use of women in past lives. If so there may be much karma and many offended females. There is a tradition that in older times the local lord could access to any lower class woman he desired in his domain. Even in a mid 20th century TV series there was the proposition that British royalty could have any woman they wanted from the upper classes Edited Saturday at 06:05 AM by Lairg Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChiDragon Posted Saturday at 06:57 AM (edited) 10 hours ago, Listener said: , I ejaculated. After that I had what I can only call an attack, with major pressure in chest, and vibrations, discomfort, and numbness throughout my body. I have been to the ER and had a doctor's visit and there are no indications of any heart issues, or any other issues. Are you a teenager? How often do masturbate. Do you ejaculate often? You should stop all this kind of activity. You are having a biological problem. No one can help you but yourself. Do ask I tell you here. Try this procedure it should work for all kinds of pains due to this kind of situations: I had helped few guys here for your kind of problem sometimes ago. It seems worked for them from their response. Two of them came back and thanked me for it. If you have any questions, just come back and let see what I can do for you. Good luck! Edited Saturday at 07:29 AM by ChiDragon Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gerard Posted Saturday at 09:11 AM (edited) Sorry deleted due to the OP not showing what is deemed as "correct etiquette." 1. Many people devote their entire lives to heal and charge money accordingly. You pay for your services and you get help. 2. As above, there are also others who have little clue of healing and they still charge. Let's hope one doesn't seek help from this category because you'll never heal yourself. 3. In Asian countries that I'm familiar with, China and Taiwan, there are some highly experienced practitioners that not only don't charge but also don't even bother to help those who experience energetic trouble. They just remain anonymous and good luck finding them unless you have a letter of recommendation as well as knowing who they are in the first place. You can offer them a million bucks and they won't even bother. It's what is called the clock More about that here: Master-student relationship Edited Sunday at 08:31 PM by Gerard 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cake1234566 Posted Saturday at 07:07 PM Have you seen a psychologist? I dont say that to lessen how you feel but even serious praciticioners will usually clear problems with psychologists if they're long running and i see you've been experiencing this for multiple years I see an early post from you saying this happened around 2003? Tell them your symptoms on the physical level (anhedonia, no sex drive) and see what they say, if it doesn't help you then you should explore further spiritual remedies Theres alot of shame around masturbation especially as it relates to taoism, but loss of jing is normal and unless you were doing intense neidan before theres no way you could have hurt yourself energetically in the way that you described My ancient secret remedy to you would be to see a psychologist, eat well and exercise, detox from porn and get your kidneys in order (in the tcm sense not your literal kidneys) If / when the above advice gets you back to the baseline of normal, then you can jump back into energetic work / alternative medicine Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Listener Posted Saturday at 09:24 PM 16 hours ago, Sanity Check said: What type of haphazard energy practice were you following? I've read about many cases that sounded similar to yours. As far as I know, the best practice is to cease any type of cultivation or training when negative symptoms begin to manifest. If the practice is dropped early then there is a good chance things will return to normal. But if people persist and continue to practice after symptoms begin to emerge, then there is a greater chance of permanent damage. With only a small handful of exceptions, I have not been doing any intentional energy practice for years, only simple relaxation and stretching, however the blockage in my chest I developed years ago has remained. The visualization was not intended as an energy practice, but it became one by accident. When the energy that started in my back moved to my chest something terrible happened. 14 hours ago, Lairg said: You may wish to consider if you had excessive use of women in past lives. If so there may be much karma and many offended females. There is a tradition that in older times the local lord could access to any lower class woman he desired in his domain. Even in a mid 20th century TV series there was the proposition that British royalty could have any woman they wanted from the upper classes Undoubtedly, I have very bad karma. I offer my sincere apologies to anyone I have ever offended in this or any past life. Believe me, I have felt very strong regrets over the last few months. I wish almost more than anything else that I could relive the past, and show true respect and appreciation to the many people who treated me with kindness and that I often treated with rudeness and taking them for granted. 14 hours ago, ChiDragon said: Are you a teenager? How often do masturbate. Do you ejaculate often? You should stop all this kind of activity. You are having a biological problem. No one can help you but yourself. Do ask I tell you here. Try this procedure it should work for all kinds of pains due to this kind of situations: I had helped few guys here for your kind of problem sometimes ago. It seems worked for them from their response. Two of them came back and thanked me for it. If you have any questions, just come back and let see what I can do for you. Good luck! I am not a teenager. I wish I still was. I was a much better person then and much wiser in many ways. Or at least then I still had time to turn things around before I started making some truly serious mistakes. 1 hour ago, cake1234566 said: Have you seen a psychologist? I dont say that to lessen how you feel but even serious praciticioners will usually clear problems with psychologists if they're long running and i see you've been experiencing this for multiple years I see an early post from you saying this happened around 2003? Tell them your symptoms on the physical level (anhedonia, no sex drive) and see what they say, if it doesn't help you then you should explore further spiritual remedies Theres alot of shame around masturbation especially as it relates to taoism, but loss of jing is normal and unless you were doing intense neidan before theres no way you could have hurt yourself energetically in the way that you described My ancient secret remedy to you would be to see a psychologist, eat well and exercise, detox from porn and get your kidneys in order (in the tcm sense not your literal kidneys) If / when the above advice gets you back to the baseline of normal, then you can jump back into energetic work / alternative medicine I have not seen a psychologist. I'm not in principle opposed to seeing one, but I don't think I would benefit much from that. I have had some problems in the past, but nothing like this. I don't know if anything I was doing back mostly in my twenties would qualify as neidan, but it could be intense, as was the recent visualization. I'm open to talking to a psychologist, certainly eating well and exercising, and getting my lie in order. If I am able to recover I don't intend to have any further involvement in energy work. Though as I said, the visualization was not intended as energy work. Unfortunately I do not think that will be enough. It has been three months since the attack and I have not improved. I have received two remote energy healings. One I felt nothing, the other I definitely felt something, though I don't think I felt any better. I need serious help to remove this blockage in my chest and to repair whatever other damage has occurred. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lairg Posted Saturday at 09:59 PM (edited) 36 minutes ago, Listener said: Undoubtedly, I have very bad karma. I offer my sincere apologies to anyone I have ever offended in this or any past life. The spiritual core of the human is usually anchored in the heart. It can be seen as a flame. From the flame radiates life force and spiritual purpose It is possible to use the heart to push light around your own body. Intend that the light resolves trauma and adverse energies. Notice where the light does not flow so easily. Spend extra time in those places. Push heart light to your family including those in your past lives. Heart light progressively resolves karma Edited Saturday at 10:01 PM by Lairg Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Listener Posted Sunday at 05:00 AM 6 hours ago, Lairg said: The spiritual core of the human is usually anchored in the heart. It can be seen as a flame. From the flame radiates life force and spiritual purpose It is possible to use the heart to push light around your own body. Intend that the light resolves trauma and adverse energies. Notice where the light does not flow so easily. Spend extra time in those places. Push heart light to your family including those in your past lives. Heart light progressively resolves karma Unfortunately since this all began in early October, I am not able to connect to my heart in the way that I could before. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lairg Posted Sunday at 05:42 AM (edited) 1 hour ago, Listener said: I am not able to connect to my heart in the way that I could before. Some of my martial arts friends report being unable to visualize the anchoring of Spirit in the heart. I am not sure that is really a problem. The important aspect seems to be to intend to move the heart light. Intent is a spiritual and peaceful decision and it seems to operate regardless of difficulties with visualization. Just corresponding yesterday to a fellow who was reporting as unable to do the heart exercise - but now he is using intent, he is getting good results Edited Sunday at 06:14 AM by Lairg Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gerard Posted Sunday at 01:55 PM (edited) Refer to my first post. Wish the OP good luck though. Edited Sunday at 08:01 PM by Gerard 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sanity Check Posted Sunday at 05:55 PM 20 hours ago, Listener said: With only a small handful of exceptions, I have not been doing any intentional energy practice for years, only simple relaxation and stretching, however the blockage in my chest I developed years ago has remained. The visualization was not intended as an energy practice, but it became one by accident. When the energy that started in my back moved to my chest something terrible happened. I think it would take multiple visualization sessions for ki deviation to occur. It wouldn't happen in a single session. If it happened in a single practice it had other causes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nintendao Posted Sunday at 06:27 PM (edited) Have you ask for help from God? In case you are atheist, it's still okay to try. As long as you are respectful and clear-intentioned. Edited yesterday at 01:44 AM by Nintendao 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sanity Check Posted Sunday at 08:33 PM If I had to guess, an accurate diagnosis and treatment plan might require OP to be more specific & detailed on the practice they were engaging in. A basic treatment process might take whichever practice caused the injury and to invert it to some degree. Excess yang injury might be treated with a yin approach and vice versa. In your case however things likely snowballed to where that is no longer viable. But a diagnosis involving the specific practice used could shed light on details in ways that can be useful. As far as I know there is no one in the world who knows how to treat ki deviation. Even in past ages when there was greater knowledge and more masters there still was no knowledge of how to treat it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Listener Posted yesterday at 02:24 AM 7 hours ago, Nintendao said: Have you ask for help from God? In case you are atheist, it's still okay to try. As long as you are respectful and clear-intentioned. Yes I have asked for Divine help. I have also asked for many people to pray for me. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites