Chapter One of the TTC

[Lairg]

13 hours ago, Lairg said:

My own view is that Existence is generated, always penetrated and finally terminated by the Unmanifest.

 

I once had a dream that demonstrated relationships and intelligences present in that process.  On waking I re-entered the dream space and did experiments to test the reality of what I was shown

[ChiDragon]

35 minutes ago, Lairg said:

 

I once had a dream that demonstrated relationships and intelligences present in that process.  On waking I re-entered the dream space and did experiments to test the reality of what I was shown

What are you trying to say here pertaining to the OP?

[Cobie]

 

3 hours ago, ChiDragon said:

… the traditional system of tetrasyllables and quatrains …

 

The traditional system of tetrasyllables and quatrains, predates the fourth- to third-century BC additions creating  longer  lines. (The Book of Chuang Tzu, trans. Martin Palmer)

 

Edited 22 hours ago by Cobie

[ChiDragon]

29 minutes ago, Cobie said:

The traditional system of tetrasyllables and quatrains, predates the fourth- to third-century BC additions creating  longer  lines. (The Book of Chuang Tzu, trans. Martin Palmer)

It was after Laotze's time. It is immaterial here.

[Cobie]

 

14 hours ago, Cobie said:

The traditional system of tetrasyllables and quatrains, predates the fourth- to third-century BC additions …

 

“predates”. The quatrains go way back, long before even the time of Laozi. (The Book of Chuang Tzu, trans. Martin Palmer)

 

 

Edited 8 hours ago by Cobie

[ChiDragon]

Just now, Cobie said:

The quatrains go way back, long before the time of Laozi.

Give me proofs. Otherwise, shall we go back to the discussion of there OP if you have more to say.

 

Please try not to delete any more of you posts. It will lose the connection of thoughts. Don't just bring something out of nowhere and irrelevant for you rebuttal. It is a waste of time for me to explain this over and over. There were a lot of things we had discussed in the good OD already. Peace!

[Lairg]

2 hours ago, ChiDragon said:

What are you trying to say here pertaining to the OP?

 

In my experience The Source of All (the Dao) has a manifesting impulse and a non-manifesting impulse - hence the dream I had demonstrating both.

 

Many humans (and other soul-bearing species) can access both

 

"soul-bearing" is used in a non-technical sense

 

 

 

 

 

[ChiDragon]

On 12/25/2025 at 12:15 PM, Cobie said:

The DDJ did not have any punctuation.

Inserting a comma and a full stop is misleading.

 

FYI
Please keep in mind, reading classic, punctuation was done mentally. It doesn't mean it doesn't have it.

 

[ChiDragon]

@Cobie can you help me to find my time table for the history of the TTC here? Thanks!

Edited 16 hours ago by ChiDragon

[Cobie]

 

12 hours ago, ChiDragon said:

...  punctuation was done mentally. ...

 

Be as "mental" as you like,    but no one is allowed to make changes to the orignal set of characters. 

 

Edited 8 hours ago by Cobie

[Cobie]

CD's time table for the history of the TTC 

 

On 31-1-2013 at 5:54 PM, ChiDragon said:

LaoTze was born around 571 BCE and wrote the DDJ in his seventy's.
孔子(Confucius): 551 - 479 BCE.

Tao Te Ching Time table
老子 LaoTze Born: Around 571 BCE.
道德經 Wrote DDJ: 500 - 491 BCE.

郭店 Guodian 476 – 278 BCE; Unearthed:1993; Published: May 1998

馬王堆-甲本(MWD-A) 206 – 195 BCE; 篆書(Seal style); Unearthed:1973
馬王堆-乙本[MWD-B] 194 – 180 BCE; 隸書(Official Style); Unearthed:1973

河上公(Heshang Gong) 179 – 157 BCE
王弼(Wang Bi) 226 – 249 CE
傅奕(Fu Yi) 555 – 639 CE


漢朝 - 皇帝 Emperors of Han Dynasty
高祖 - 劉邦 Liu2 bang1 206 – 195 BCE
文帝 - 劉盈 Liu2 ying2 194 – 188 BCE
惠帝 – 劉恆 Liu2 heng2 180 – 157 BCE

Note: These two characters 恆 and 恒 are the synonyms.

 

 

 

Edited 8 hours ago by Cobie

[ChiDragon]

1 hour ago, Cobie said:

 

 

Be as "mental" as you like,    but no one is allowed to make changes to the orignal set of characters. 

 

Are we talking about punctuation or characters. BTW Do you known how many characters were changed on different codexes of the TTC? And you said no one?