old3bob Posted Wednesday at 11:52 PM 1 hour ago, Lairg said: It may be accurate to say that non-duality generates duality and penetrates duality with intent me thinks emanation is also and accurate pointer, and it could be said that with more permutations the more intent normally gets watered down in the manifest. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stirling Posted yesterday at 12:09 AM 3 hours ago, Lairg said: An act of imaging Creating an image in your head seems like imagination to me? 3 hours ago, Lairg said: Inner planes progressively are emotional, mental, heart, spiritual will, .... The human can develop sense organs on every plane and subplane. It takes practice to accumulate the substance and form it into sense organs - just as you did as a baby on the physical plane The imaginal is necessarily "self" bound and dependent, not the deeper reality on the non-dual. For example, while I also have my own imagination and things imagined, they do not include "sense organs on every plane and subplane". This is an imaginal realm that makes sense to you, but not any kind of reality that we could discuss on equal footing. If you had insight in the the non-dual nature of reality we would have no trouble talking about it and understanding one another because it is possible to see RIGHT here RIGHT now as the salient quality of reality. While I have had experiences seeing things some might label gods, goddesses, angels, demons, etc. I gnow that they don't have any permanence or any real separateness of their own, because even THEY have non-duality as their obvious salient quality. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stirling Posted yesterday at 12:11 AM 1 hour ago, Lairg said: It may be accurate to say that non-duality generates duality and penetrates duality with intent Yes, the common metaphor amongst the Advaitans is that of a fountain - the non-duality creating the illusion of duality moment to moment. In Buddhism this is the Dharmakaya the moment to moment arising and passing of all phenomena that we label. Intent, like any other thing that arises, including what you might think of as "your' thoughts, also arise from this infinite field of possibility impersonally. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lairg Posted yesterday at 12:39 AM (edited) 33 minutes ago, stirling said: Creating an image in your head seems like imagination to me? You might want to work on that. Seeing organs can be developed on every plane. Notice how what you imagine changes slightly when you look closely. Why is that? 33 minutes ago, stirling said: The imaginal is necessarily "self" bound and dependent, not the deeper reality on the non-dual More practice may help. Also visualize the same aspect of reality with a friend. Intelligence agencies call that: Remote Viewing. It takes a bit of practice https://duckduckgo.com/?q=+military+Remote_viewing&atb=v499-1&kbg=-1&ia=web 33 minutes ago, stirling said: "sense organs on every plane and subplane". This is an imaginal realm that makes sense to you, but not any kind of reality Most humans develop inner touch first. They feel energies before they can see. 33 minutes ago, stirling said: the non-dual nature of reality we would have no trouble talking about it and understanding one another because it is possible to see RIGHT here RIGHT now as the salient quality of reality Some humans anchor more than one flow of the non-dual. That seems increase spiritual intent in those humans 33 minutes ago, stirling said: l gods, goddesses, angels, demons, etc. I gnow that they don't have any permanence or any real separateness of their own, I test that proposition by looking at the entity for the additional flows of the non-dual. If there is only one flow, the entity exists only in the dual. Edited yesterday at 12:43 AM by Lairg Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nungali Posted yesterday at 04:15 AM 3 hours ago, Lairg said: More practice may help. Also visualize the same aspect of reality with a friend. Intelligence agencies call that: Remote Viewing. It takes a bit of practice https://duckduckgo.com/?q=+military+Remote_viewing&atb=v499-1&kbg=-1&ia=web To 'visualize' (as opposed to seeing ) is done with the imagination . Visualizing with a friend does not fulfill the definition of remote viewing , nor does the link support your definition ... no 'friend' is required to do or prove remote viewing . 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
