apathy in any realm brings other realms down

[old3bob]

 

apathy in any realm brings other realms down, and silence or enforced censorship along that line is also a form violence...

 

[Cobie]

 

4 hours ago, old3bob said:

... censorship …

 

Every system needs to set boundaries.

 

Edited 21 hours ago by Cobie

[Surya]

Cencorship is at least, if not exactly violence, a tool used by those who benefit and push violence and other forms of evil. It is oppression, almost by definition, and the only reason they use it is because they know their ideas and actions a indefensible. Without indoctrination and the suppression/vilification of various opinions, the whole house of cards would collapse in a heartbeat, I think. Makes me laugh/cry when people talk about opinions that are a «threat to democracy» or missuse of free speech and that sort of thing. In academia and the media, we are only free to speak our mind as long as our mind is aligned with the interests of the archons. 
To give the devil its due tho, in a twisted way it is impressive to see how they have managed to create a prison cell with no bars.

[Surya]

2 hours ago, Cobie said:

So what is it in real life that you, old3bob, do to help the world?

 

 

I’m sure he means a lot to loads of people, and have made a real difference to others. In addition to this, he is also voicing his opinion,  in this very thread.

[Cobie]

 

4 hours ago, old3bob said:

… silence …

 

To be part of any system, one has to be capable of remaining silent sometimes. 

 

Edited 21 hours ago by Cobie

[Surya]

3 minutes ago, Cobie said:

Every system needs to set boundaries.

 

 

Yeah, you are probally right about that. I also fully understand that people here don’t want to make it political, and I respect that. But I do object to a system that presents itself as open, free, protective and tolerant, than poisons our food, throw you in prison for protesting and lies to you constantly so they can sell you more poison. Boundaries and rules is one thing, not being able to defend your position and turning to gaslighting instead is a whole lot different. If the warmongers told us that they didn’t give a f about us instead of pretending to protect us, I’d prefer that.

[Lairg]

2 hours ago, old3bob said:

apathy in any realm brings other realms down

 

This is an interesting proposition.

 

It suggests that humans are functional in more ways than they are taught.  

 

Perhaps the intent of humans is more powerful than publicly admitted - hence the need for censorship.

 

I recall a friend who discovered that plants that she ignored, did not flourish.   So she made a point of looking at all the plants in her garden.

 

Could it be that human attention is valuable to  other life forms - beyond the physical?

 

 

 

 

[Cobie]

 

Quote

… violence...

 

“I first must heal myself” 

https://www.thedaobums.com/topic/57437-the-imagination-project/?do=findComment&comment=1065449 

 

Edited 21 hours ago by Cobie

[Surya]

1 minute ago, Lairg said:

Could it be that human attention is valuable to  other life forms - beyond the physical?

I am starting to think that it might be so. How or why or by whom, I have no clue tho. Do you? 

[Lairg]

19 minutes ago, Surya said:

I am starting to think that it might be so. How or why or by whom,

 

Most human attention is rather mixed with selfishness.

 

So the first stage is for the spirit functioning through the human format to give attention to the functionality and alignment of the persona (mask).

 

When the persona is clean and aligned with the local Cosmos, the spirit of the human can build right relationships with other humans and other life forms.

 

At that stage the enlightened persona attracts greater beings and establishes partnerships that work within the Cosmos

 

 

[Cobie]

 

4 hours ago, old3bob said:

apathy …

 

So what is it in real life that you, old3bob, do to help the world?

 

 

Edited 21 hours ago by Cobie

[Nungali]

1 hour ago, Lairg said:

 

This is an interesting proposition.

 

It suggests that humans are functional in more ways than they are taught.  

 

Suggests ! ?    Of course they are not going to teach us our full function !  Part of the reason you ... or at least I, incarnated was to fulfill the potential of our unseen boundaries . 

 

The big problem is  either we have been tricked, deluded or insisted upon that boundary is small or , from ego, imagine it is larger than it is . 

 

1 hour ago, Lairg said:

 

Perhaps the intent of humans is more powerful than publicly admitted - hence the need for censorship.

 

I recall a friend who discovered that plants that she ignored, did not flourish.   So she made a point of looking at all the plants in her garden.

 

Then something is wrong with her garden . I am surrounded by HUGE areas of forest that I never look it ... seems to be doing fine to me .... and was doing fine since Gondwanaland ... when no people were around to look at anything . 

 

The audacious self of the human ego of the human ego  can be astounding  !  

 

 

1 hour ago, Lairg said:

 

Could it be that human attention is valuable to  other life forms - beyond the physical?

 

Ask a   dog   about that    

[Nungali]

1 hour ago, Cobie said:

 

 

So what is it in real life that you, old3bob, do to help the world?

 

 

 

In my selfish world ... a little bit of old3bob in the morning   helps me     

[old3bob]

11 hours ago, Cobie said:

 

So what is it in real life that you, old3bob, do to help the world?

 

 

as far as charities go I've donated to N.R.D.C for a long time, before and during that time to several other similar groups including Jacques Cousteau's ocean environment concerns and also the Calypso endeavors.  In the past 4-5 years to 'Seva', a vision health and restoration group for folks for that can't get such help or afford it!  Are you familiar with those ?

Edited 10 hours ago by old3bob

[Cobie]

 

2 hours ago, Nungali said:

… I am surrounded by HUGE areas of forest that I never look it ... seems to be doing fine to me .... and was doing fine since Gondwanaland ... when no people were around to look at anything . 

 

Exactly.  That’s the last thing nature needs, human attention, that’s what’s destroying it.

 

Edited 19 hours ago by Cobie

[liminal_luke]

6 hours ago, old3bob said:

 

apathy in any realm brings other realms down, and silence or enforced censorship along that line is also a form violence...

 

 

If it´s any consolation, I miss the Current Events section too.  (Though, to be honest, I did suggest it be abolished and thus cannot complain.)

Edited 19 hours ago by liminal_luke

[Jenn]

I think whether censorship is a form of violence depends on the situation. It can be, but it can also be argued a lack of censorship can be a form of violence. Many places intended to be safe (especially online), for example, can become unsafe very quickly if people who want to spread hate or express toxic views infiltrate those spaces and are not booted promptly. Go to literally any forum online intended for women, BIPOC, LGBTQ+, etc - sadly it is a very common problem. But the world is a big place, if those are someone's views, without a doubt there are more appropriate places for that person to express those views without consequence.

 

Everything needs balance between what it is intended for and the diverse views of individuals, and the right balance can be a bit of time to workout because it can be different in every space.

[Nungali]

5 hours ago, Cobie said:

 

 

Exactly.  That’s the last thing nature needs, human attention, that’s what’s destroying it.

 

 

Hmmmm ... I can agree with that regarding wrong attention .  But with a correct  attention  to her, she can teach us how to behave so our harm is either minimal or  ' manageable ' .

[Nungali]

4 hours ago, Jenn said:

I think whether censorship is a form of violence depends on the situation. It can be, but it can also be argued a lack of censorship can be a form of violence. Many places intended to be safe (especially online), for example, can become unsafe very quickly if people who want to spread hate or express toxic views infiltrate those spaces and are not booted promptly. Go to literally any forum online intended for women, BIPOC, LGBTQ+, etc - sadly it is a very common problem. But the world is a big place, if those are someone's views, without a doubt there are more appropriate places for that person to express those views without consequence.

 

Everything needs balance between what it is intended for and the diverse views of individuals, and the right balance can be a bit of time to workout because it can be different in every space.

 

A very dear friend of mine suffered bad sexual abuse as a young girl . Her and her step-sister (in a similar situation from the same man)  did a runner from their small rural and a bit isolated community - a few farms together in a small inland valley .  Eventually they  took off ..... 'went bush ' . Now they were free but in fear of being 'hunted' and bought home or being turned in to the authorities  and now, two young teens alone in the bush ... they still did not feel safe . 

 

One day two women riders found their  vacant camp . By looking at the camp, they knew something was up ; whosoever camp it was , it looked like they knew somewhat what they were doing,  but some indications made them curious  and worried  . So they went looking for them . And they tracked and found them .  My friend said, if they had not realized they were women, they would have taken off . 

 

They sat and chatted with the two older women , who seemed  amazingly understanding and sympathetic when they heard their story .

'' You need to come with us , we have a safe place , you will fit right in ..''   So they did , and that is how that  (now a ) woman  came to live for a while , and have times of refuge, at 'Women's Land ' . She picked up some skills there too , as women do everything there , and teach others . 

 

- Women's Land is a near myth around here , it has been going for a long time . Its a closed rural community out in the 'semi-wilderness'. One can imagine from the title .... no men allowed . It was started for women ( and perhaps by women ) that had a similar experience to those girls . 

 

That woman, who was that little girl was my GF for a time  and when I found out what area she spent her young days in I asked her ; ''Hey ! Have you ever heard of Women's Land ? is it a real place ? ''

 

'' Women's Land !  .... Heard of it ? .... I used to live there !   and run away to there all the time ! ''    ( Thats how I heard this story ) . 

 

- I guess I found my 'special place ' as well    

[old3bob]

 

Groups and individuals following dharmic like or based and proven ways that are basically wholesome and universal for all people is ideal, while forms of censorship for those that are hell bent against same is needed if we are to "live and let live" in some kind of harmony in a very diverse world.  (instead of censorship being used against dharmic ways)

 

[Sanity Check]

People love to say the only static constant in the universe is change.

 

And so why bother defining anything as a hard this or that.

 

In one era it may be one thing, and in another era, something completely different.

 

In one era castles were impregnable fortresses.

 

In another era, cannons came along and made castles obsolete.

 

 

[Jenn]

4 hours ago, Sanity Check said:

In another era, cannons came along and made castles obsolete.

 

Then greed came along and made them McMansions