Alchemy, is it real ??

[ChiDragon]

On 9/13/2025 at 12:01 AM, Antares said:

Yes, this is the most difficult part of the entire alchemical process - one must hold the virtuous lifestyle preventing the leakages.

And of course,

 

I think this diagram illustrates that the  body energy is leaking out the body. Don't you think it is a fallacy. What it is saying that all human beings, eventually, are having the possibility leaking all the body energy and die?

[Nungali]

are you asking if all human beings will die ?  

 

Errrmmmmm ......  

 

what can I say  ?  

[ChiDragon]

10 minutes ago, Nungali said:

are you asking if all human beings will die ?  

 

Errrmmmmm ......  

 

what can I say  ?  

I didn't say that. What I am saying that is what the diagram was suggesting. My interpretation was the energy in the human body is constantly leaking out. Eventually, all will leaked out, then, the body has no energy left to sustain itself . 

Edited 8 hours ago by ChiDragon

[Nungali]

15 minutes ago, ChiDragon said:

I didn't say that. What I am saying that is what the diagram was suggesting. My interpretation was the energy in the human body is constantly leaking out. Eventually, all will leaked out, then, the body has no energy left to sustain itself . 

 

I understood that   .....

 

and then ?

 

if your interpretation is correct , does it not lead to what I suggested ? 

 

and my comment  is about ones   observations  ... have you not observed that all people actually do die ?  

 

And my own take on 'leakage '  is very different , it  should all be about flow , so the 'container' should be constantly 'outflowing '  but also inflowing .

 

There is no problem with outflow it is actually required .  However if 'leakage ' means damage to the container  s it can never be filled or replenished  ... then you have big health / vitality  issues , which, yes, can result in death . 

[Nungali]

I am still waiting for a simple and direct definition of eastern alchemy . 

[ChiDragon]

3 hours ago, Nungali said:

I am still waiting for a simple and direct definition of eastern alchemy . 

I thought the concept about the  three treasures of Jing, chi, and shen was very clearly described as the eastern alchemy. I am so surprised that the concept had been floating around for centuries. Are you telling me that no one realize that is the original idea of eastern alchemy?

[Nungali]

You seemed to be describing a process of breathing   and internal visualizations that causes better health and longevity.

 

If that  is the description of eastern alchemy ... okay then . But a lot of traditions do that and do not consider it any type of alchemy .  

 

Western alchemy it can most simply be described as   taking   the refined 'spiritual substance ' out of matter , using that to make a pure 'spiritual ' substance that passes on its qualities to 'ordinary matter ' and changing that to an improved 'spiritual substance ' 

 

In a way, its similar to magnetism ;   Take  a metallic substance  ( ' the 'First Matter ' or Operation )  and purify it .  Magnetize it  ( to make a 'touchstone' or 'Philosophers Stone '  ( the alchemical operation , ie. it is transference basically )  and then that can be  used to make more metal magnetic - by stoking one with the other  ( passing on the 'magical ' properties ) . 

 

An even closer example is how Bio-dynamic agriculture is claimed to work .

 

But I suppose if we consider air and its better qualities  contains  spiritual energy and the body is extracting that and using in a way  that it normally does not ... then it would be closer to the western tradition . 

[Nungali]

2 hours ago, ChiDragon said:

.... Are you telling me that no one realize that is the original idea of eastern alchemy?

 

I was observing that not many offered any explanation about what they thought it was but were prepared to comment on it anyway . 

[Sanity Check]

5 hours ago, Nungali said:

I am still waiting for a simple and direct definition of eastern alchemy . 

 

 

"The tao that can be spoken of."

 

"Is not the true tao."

[ChiDragon]

6 hours ago, Nungali said:

And my own take on 'leakage '  is very different , it  should all be about flow , so the 'container' should be constantly 'outflowing '  but also inflowing .

Yes, that is how the body works. However, the diagram shown was only figure 1. It didn't really told the whole story.

[Nungali]

34 minutes ago, Sanity Check said:

 

 

"The tao that can be spoken of."

 

"Is not the true tao."

 

That is a definition of the Tao   ... not alchemy  . 

[Nungali]

47 minutes ago, Nungali said:

 

I was observing that not many offered any explanation about what they thought it was but were prepared to comment on it anyway . 

 

See Chi Dragon  they  ^ are still doing it . 

[Antares]

12 hours ago, ChiDragon said:

I don't think the above you have mentioned was referring to the LDT.

The "above" is referring to the Building Foundation stage at which LDT is built.

[-ꦥꦏ꧀ ꦱꦠꦿꦶꦪꦺꦴ-]

7 hours ago, Nungali said:

I am still waiting for a simple and direct definition of eastern alchemy . 

Actively converting jing to qi to shen

 

Oh I failed, you said eastern alchemy, not eastern internal alchemy 

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