What actions brings us closer or further away to/from the light

[Apech]

8 minutes ago, Nungali said:

 

he sometimes seems 'over protective '   about certain people  and conversely seems  to exaggerate  others assertions into aggression . 

 

besides ... your the type that can handle a good   slap  !         ( just keep a still mind about it    ) 

 

‘you’re the type’ 

 

- watch your grandma, please.

[Nungali]

3 hours ago, Cobie said:

 

 

In the DDJ, ‘nothingness’ is the empty womb.

 

Sinologist Ellen M. Chen, “the Nothingness of Dao is the emptiness of the female womb.” (page 93, ‘In Praise of Nothing’, An exploration of Daoist Fundamental Ontology)

 

 

In 'bookish Thelema '       it is equated with Nuit  , based on the Egyptian sky Goddess  Nu or Nut .  Nuit is said to be the time / space continuum  from which, or within which  'Hadit ' ( the winged  disc .. or 'one point ' )  manifests . In a way Hadit can be seen as 'the ten thousand things '  .  As their ( the ten thousand things ) 'archetype ' the 'manifest point' or the omnipresent point , the core of each star  and each person ( also perhaps , 'nodes of awareness ) .... geometrically   the relationship is described  as Nuit being a sphere whose circumference is infinite  and thus, whose center is everywhere while Hadit is the point at that / these  center/s . 

[Nungali]

8 minutes ago, Apech said:

 

‘you’re the type’ 

 

- watch your grandma, please.

 

 Ermmmm  ... obscure but .... okay then  ; 

 

[Apech]

3 minutes ago, Nungali said:

 

 Ermmmm  ... obscure but .... okay then  ; 

 

The secret to standing meditation is reverence for your ancestors.

[Nungali]

6 minutes ago, Nungali said:

 

In 'bookish Thelema '       it is equated with Nuit  , based on the Egyptian sky Goddess  Nu or Nut .  Nuit is said to be the time / space continuum  from which, or within which  'Hadit ' ( the winged  disc .. or 'one point ' )  manifests . In a way Hadit can be seen as 'the ten thousand things '  .  As their ( the ten thousand things ) 'archetype ' the 'manifest point' or the omnipresent point , the core of each star  and each person ( also perhaps , 'nodes of awareness ) .... geometrically   the relationship is described  as Nuit being a sphere whose circumference is infinite  and thus, whose center is everywhere while Hadit is the point at that / these  center/s . 

 

I see you were confused by this Coby . 

 

I see a similarity in that  an empty womb is indeed empty  BUT it contains the possibility  to not remain empty , like 'empty space does ' , empty space still  has a  ' time / space  continuum in it ' that allows things to manifest within it .... they go through a 'nurturing period' within it   ( like the process of  giving 'birth to' 1, 2 and 3 ... and then  the material objects of the 10,000   things . 

 

Dao IS 'empty ' but it must contain the possibility of something manifesting within / out from it . 

 

( Did that make it more confusing ?   )

[Nungali]

3 minutes ago, Apech said:

The secret to standing meditation is reverence for your ancestors.

 

That's one secret to it . 

 

But  standing meditation  can have another secret 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Cobie]

 

 

56 minutes ago, Nungali said:

… Did that make it more confusing ? 

 

I don’t do philosophising. Laozi literally means the female womb. 
 

As for the literal  “1, 2 and 3 ... ” see https://www.thedaobums.com/topic/56993-chapter-4/?do=findComment&comment=1057738

 

Edited yesterday at 12:43 AM by Cobie

[Cobie]

the myriad

Edited yesterday at 12:38 AM by Cobie

[stirling]

2 hours ago, BigSkyDiamond said:

there is a Latin phrase "creation ex nihilo" which translates to "creation from nothing."   In Hebrew it is yesh m'ayin "something from nothing."

 

The creation of every "thing" (all the objects, all the things, the universe and everything in it) comes from a Source that is itself not a "thing."    Source has no form, no shape, it does not take up any space, it is not bound by time or space or form, it has no beginning and no end, it always was and always will be.  Source (which is not a thing, it is a no-thing) creates, or is back of, or gives rise to everything (all the things, the Universe and everything in it).

 

So there is a difference between "nothing" which indicates an utter absence.

and the no-thing that is Source.  which is very much a powerful presence

 

Just as it is no-thing, it is also ALL things. Everything that arises in consciousness (thoughts/feelings/etc.) and everything that arises in the phenomenal world (birds, trees, houses, cabbages, pants, etc.) are empty/no-thing/"source". Form and emptiness (source and no-thing) are the same, inextricable.

 

Quote

...form does not differ from emptiness, emptiness does not
differ from form. Form itself is emptiness, emptiness
itself form.

 

Sensations, perceptions, formations, and consciousness are also like this. ... all dharmas are marked by emptiness; they neither arise nor cease,
are neither defiled nor pure, neither increase nor decrease. - excerpt from the Heart Sutra, Buddha

 

[stirling]

1 hour ago, Nungali said:

'They' did this to me   

 

I think I would like these "they" very much!

 

[BigSkyDiamond]

8 minutes ago, stirling said:

Just as it is no-thing, it is also ALL things. Everything that arises in consciousness (thoughts/feelings/etc.) and everything that arises in the phenomenal world (birds, trees, houses, cabbages, pants, etc.) are empty/no-thing/"source". Form and emptiness (source and no-thing) are the same, inextricable.

 

Form, time, space are all dependent upon Source and only have their existence because of Source.  They are changing and finite.  Source is not dependent on any of those.  Source precedes all of those.  Source is unchanging and not finite.

 

Edited yesterday at 12:37 AM by BigSkyDiamond

[Lairg]

6 minutes ago, BigSkyDiamond said:

Form, time, space are all dependent upon Source and only have their existence because of Source.

 

Why does Source (No-thing) want things?

 

 

 

 

[BigSkyDiamond]

1 minute ago, Lairg said:

Why does Source (No-thing) want things?

 

who says it does?

[Cobie]

the Source is 自然 (zi4 ran2) unknowable

 

 

[BigSkyDiamond]

creativity, daydream, imagination are about the process, not the product.

even in the mundane world, sitting around wondering "what if _______ " is not  from a place of desire or necessarily "wanting those things. "  It is just the pleasant process of wondering  "what if"

 

Edited yesterday at 12:55 AM by BigSkyDiamond

[Lairg]

15 minutes ago, BigSkyDiamond said:

 

who says it does?

 

If the Source is competent and is free to act, does it only produce what it values?

 

A  competent but random Source is a bit scary for me

 

An incompetent or unfree Source indicates that there is a superior Source

 

 My own very limited observations of the Source/Beingness as it interpenetrates all existence is that the Source has active intent. 

 

If true, the Source is choosing within Existence

Edited yesterday at 01:01 AM by Lairg

[old3bob]

 

The Self is not empty of the Self, mind at any or all levels is only matrix, and a still mind or matrix does not resist the Self shining through it.

 

[BigSkyDiamond]

4 minutes ago, old3bob said:

The Self is not empty of the Self, mind at any or all levels is only matrix, and a still mind or matrix does not resist the Self shining through it.

 

Yes our eternal Self shines through.

[BigSkyDiamond]

48 minutes ago, Lairg said:

 

If the Source is competent and is free to act, does it only produce what it values?

A  competent but random Source is a bit scary for me

An incompetent or unfree Source indicates that there is a superior Source

 My own very limited observations of the Source/Beingness as it interpenetrates all existence is that the Source has active intent. 

If true, the Source is choosing within Existence

 

As pure potential, Source is free to wonder and daydream about anything.  

We do that ourselves in the creative process.  We try this or that, and we see what works and what doesn't.

Descending so deep into pysical matter that we forget who we are and what we are doesn't work. Doing that for thousands of lifetimes over and over also doesn't work, it is a dead end.

 

Yes we have free will.  And yes Source has free will and active intent.

We can use that to stay in a repetitive cycle.  Or we can use it to get out.

 

 

it's like a really good computer game with a whole bunch of levels and challenges and treasures and skill sets.  But at some point we realize OK, enough is enough, time to experience something else now.  Something that is not Separation.  Experience that is not bound by time or space or form.  Because those are not the truth of who we are.

 

 

Edited yesterday at 01:49 AM by BigSkyDiamond

[BigSkyDiamond]

4 hours ago, Lairg said:

What new faculties appear in the stillness?

Is there a trans-human level that can work when the humanness is still?

Is there a hint in the Tree of Life fitting so nicely on the human format?

 

Those are good questions.

"What new faculties appear in the stillness?"

At the inner level, listening, hearing, seeing, Inner knowing.  Experience that time "stops."

 

If by trans-human level, that is talking about enhanced abilities, or "supernatural" feats then yes people can access those.  But they still remain in Separation even if they are say working in the non-physical planes or as a "light body" or as some other life form, or zipping around to other universes or working on a grander scale.  

Regarding Tree of Life, I do not know, but am interested to hear from anyone on that.

Edited yesterday at 02:13 AM by BigSkyDiamond

[Lairg]

1 hour ago, BigSkyDiamond said:

Regarding Tree of Life, I do not know, but am interested to hear 

 

My observation is that the Tree of Life fits on the human and on various landmasses - transcontinental down to localities.

 

If that is  true, the ToL likely fits on cosmic structures as well -  and I seem to observe that at galactic levels.  As above, so below - as below, so above.

 

If so, the human energy structure resonates with cosmic structures.  Why set up such a resonance ?

 

 

[Lairg]

1 hour ago, BigSkyDiamond said:

Experience that time "stops."

 

I am not sure that is quite accurate.

 

On another thread I recounted an experiment where a friend gave heart light to herself back at age 5 and immediately felt better in this timeframe.

 

That suggests that both time zones continue to exist and can be operated in - despite the usual human experience of time as linear.

 

Some alien sources say (Earth?) humans are the only (soul-bearing?) species to experience linear time

 

 

[BigSkyDiamond]

25 minutes ago, Lairg said:

My observation is that the Tree of Life fits on the human and on various landmasses - transcontinental down to localities.

If that is  true, the ToL likely fits on cosmic structures as well -  and I seem to observe that at galactic levels.  As above, so below - as below, so above.  If so, the human energy structure resonates with cosmic structures.  Why set up such a resonance ?

 

because that is the pattern or map in separation.

whether it is at the level of town or planet or galaxy or cosmos.

 

it is a map of our connection to Source.  

in other posts you have mentioned the view either from "top looking down" or "bottom looking up."

the view can also be collapsed into concentric circles.  

from wherever we are in Separation (human body, or planet, or cosmos) we have the same relationship to Source.

And as Source is within us, then we can picture "expanding" to contain all the universes.

 

[BigSkyDiamond]

40 minutes ago, Lairg said:

I am not sure that is quite accurate.

On another thread I recounted an experiment where a friend gave heart light to herself back at age 5 and immediately felt better in this timeframe.

That suggests that both time zones continue to exist and can be operated in - despite the usual human experience of time as linear.

Some alien sources say (Earth?) humans are the only (soul-bearing?) species to experience linear time

 

i agree that it is not accurate to say time stops.  What is more accurate is to say the recognition that time does not exist.  That it is an artifical construct.  When we are able to drop into stillness, we come closer to experiencing at the level of Source or Beingness. At that level time does NOT exist.  So we glimpse it, and the felt sense of that as a physical human is the sensation of time stopping.  

 

Just as all my incarnations (all my "past lives") are happening simultaneously and concurrently, so too (like you say for the 5 year old self) all moments in my own life are also happening concurrently.  It's like writing a book.  If i write into the book "five year old self is now happy" then i feel it because the me at all my ages are all within me now every moment.  

 

Even modern secular science in the here and now is beginning to recognize that time does not exist, that it is an artificial construct for convenience in navigating physical experience.

 

Edited 23 hours ago by BigSkyDiamond

[Lairg]

1 hour ago, BigSkyDiamond said:

because that is the pattern or map in separation.

whether it is at the level of town or planet or galaxy or cosmos.

 

it is a map of our connection to Source.  

 

Why should humans have such a pattern?

 

If the human is the microcosm, what functionality does that bring  in the macrocosm?