Bindi Posted yesterday at 04:59 AM I believe that ‘Judge not’ warns against ego-based condemnation that feeds separation and karmic entanglement. But there’s a world of difference between reactive judgment and the clear seeing that arises from compassion and alignment with truth. IMO Jesus wasn’t condemning out of wounded pride, he was cutting through hypocrisy to protect and awaken. So we might say real spiritual maturity knows when silence is love, and when fierce clarity is love. It’s not about never discerning, but about where it’s coming from within us. 4 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nungali Posted yesterday at 05:55 AM Ahhhh ... Bindi is back ..... and its not even summer ! Of course Bindi, that is the context and understanding of it philosophically and spiritually . People that sprout that in all situations seem to have some worry about being personally judged . Spoiler Over the years many a hippy has tried it out on me ; " Ohhhh ... judgmental man ... you are judging me ... you don't want to be judgmental do you ?" Me; " I wasn't at first of course, I reserved judgement to AFTER observation and consideration . First you directed me to reverse back into a tree stump , when I was relying on your decision . Then you shut me down and were rude to me and tried some other bullshit cosmic philosophy on my when I was warning you that your new car was overheating ... but you kept on driving until it boiled over and se ized ... and then got angry with me because I would not push you down the road to clutch start it ... with a sized engine . next when I asked you why you were hiding behind a tree in my back yard when I got home you responded " Because I hoped you wouldn't see me there . ( I'll give him that one ! points for that ! ) and so on and so on and blah blah dishonesty and ..... THEN I made a judgement on you and decided I want no more to do with you ! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lairg Posted yesterday at 07:50 AM (edited) 4 hours ago, BigSkyDiamond said: "judge not lest ye be judged" It is possible to observe, analyze, hypothesize and test without any judgement Judgement biases actual events. Material science prefers double blind to prevent experimenters' belief distorting results The spiritual scientist observes without prejudice. This allows unbiased hypotheses and clean experiments to test those. Perhaps the human situation is not madness so much as early learning processes in coping with adverse interference. Who can test that hypothesis? Edited yesterday at 07:57 AM by Lairg 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
old3bob Posted yesterday at 09:48 AM alas it is also a problem if "we are so open minded that our brains are falling out". Btw there is that saying about someone who kindly saved a snake but then the snake bit him and he wondered why or how it could do so.... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nungali Posted 16 hours ago 15 hours ago, Lairg said: It is possible to observe, analyze, hypothesize and test without any judgement Of course it is possible but so what ? What would be the point of an experiment without a resultant value judgement ? You are always toting the value of experiments ... what ? You don't judge the results to find virtue in what you are doing ? 15 hours ago, Lairg said: Judgement biases actual events. Aha ! I see your problem here .... prejudice ! That is PRE JUDGEMENT ... it means you had a bias before you did the experiment . Or maybe you got confused with observation ... a basic requirement of experiment as ; in some cases observation can bias events . 15 hours ago, Lairg said: Material science prefers double blind to prevent experimenters' belief distorting results The spiritual scientist observes without prejudice. This allows unbiased hypotheses and clean experiments to test those. Those spiritual scientists of yours are certainly not being influenced by their ego ! One wonders why when a scientist enters the field of quantum physics and far cosmology ( it going into the far extremities of small and large ) all of a sudden they are accepting concepts beyond the norm, the accepted , the sensible, the logical ... 15 hours ago, Lairg said: Perhaps the human situation is not madness so much as early learning processes in coping with adverse interference. Who can test that hypothesis? Whoever came up with it ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nungali Posted 15 hours ago 13 hours ago, old3bob said: alas it is also a problem if "we are so open minded that our brains are falling out". Btw there is that saying about someone who kindly saved a snake but then the snake bit him and he wondered why or how it could do so.... No doubt he wasn't a 'snake guy ' . Saving them or not , any interaction with them , you need to understand them . And each type of snake has a different energy and stuff going on for them of course . I've been bitten by a diamond python ... I have also had one curled up inside my shirt and on my lap while I was sitting down . It depends where they are at and what you do ( and where you are at too ! ) . Any snake that needs saving is going to be in a panic or at least disturbed and on edge . I found a big diamond python caught up in bird netting ... what a mess! all around the neck and head and the body had tried to twist and constrict the 'enemy' tying the whole thing up in multi strand twisted chaos . The first part was hectic, snake hissing , trying to strike me , me using one hand to try and hold it still and one hand trying to cut away net with surgical scissors . But after a bit when I started to make some headway and relieved the pressure and the snake realized it was starting to be freed by my actions she was really good, relaxed, became placid and moved to actually help me . At the end , both of us exhausted I carried her off in my arms to a cool underbrush and left some water nearby . 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nungali Posted 15 hours ago 13 hours ago, old3bob said: alas it is also a problem if "we are so open minded that our brains are falling out". Btw there is that saying about someone who kindly saved a snake but then the snake bit him and he wondered why or how it could do so.... I looked at the snake ,,, it rose up ... it hissed ... it bared its fangs Not wanting to judge it ( least I be judged ) I decided he might not be angry , or dangerous , Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
old3bob Posted 14 hours ago (edited) I've only had small bites by what we called (as boys) alligator lizards located in S. Calif.. They have very small teeth but will draw some blood and tend to latch on to you when biting. I also had several of them as pets and hand fed them grasshopper's which they really liked to gobble! Lizards are interesting creatures... As for snakes I almost accidently stepped onto a coral snake once (which are very poisonous) and I think it would have bit if I had, regardless of any decisions of mine ;-) Also heard rattlers from a fairly safe distance. (which is their form of a warning) As for real alligators and crocks I've only seen them in Florida at a preserve. Their dark black eyes are always looking out for their next prey! No hesitation if something comes along for them. Edited 4 hours ago by old3bob 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
