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13 minutes ago, Mark Foote said:

 

There's a sermon somewhere in the Pali Canon where some dignitary visits the place where a group of monks are residing, and comments that they are like wild animals, in that they respond to their environment more readily than the average person.

 

Sometimes I think the wild animals I meet respond to my mind, before I do anything overtly.  Just the presence of my consciousness with them is enough to set them in motion, or so it seems!

From the post I'm writing:

 

I sit down first thing in the morning and last thing at night, and I look to experience the activity of the body solely by virtue of the free location of consciousness.

 

The practice of the wild animals, IMHO. 

I take that to have been the daily practice of the Gautamid, not the cessation of volition in feeling and perceiving associated with his enlightenment, but the cessation of habit and volition in the activity of the body in inbreathing and outbreathing.  Set it up, come back to it as necessary.

Maybe someday, I will move because someone was conscious of me, without knowing why.
 

 

Mark,

 

I sometimes find your posts fascinating and, also, a little bit beyond me.  This is one of those posts.  I´m having trouble connecting how your thoughts connect to the quotation of mine you posted.  You can explain if you like -- or not!  Someday maybe I´ll get it.

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31 minutes ago, Maddie said:

I know very little of Lao Zu's Daoism as it is, but how is Zhuangzi's Daoism different?

 

Stylistically, it is less didactic, more playful and colorful. It is told in myths and stories, and always with a cheeky smile.

 

Philosophically, it is both more detailed in its argumentation (there is a chapter analyzing the structure of judgment and its relation to attachment to self) and more concrete in its exposition (it looks at how Daoist ideas apply to a wide range of situations, including an entire chapter devoted to people with bodies that fall outside social norms).

 

Politically, it is not beholden to the particular brand of primitivism that dominates the Daodejing. That is present but balanced by "yangist" (anti-participation) and "syncretist" views.

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57 minutes ago, liminal_luke said:


I´m having trouble connecting how your thoughts connect to the quotation of mine you posted.  
 

 


These social advances have given us both freedom and anxiety; not one or the other, but both.  

For this reason, I have empathy for the rigid, controlling people who think I should watch football, drink beer, and get a girlfriend.  They instinctively know we are tied together in an energetic web and the choices I make effect the world they live in.  My choice to be a freak makes their world just a little more freakish.

 

Actually, they choose to remain ignorant of the fact that their consciousness doesn't really belong to them, they choose to become what they have already been again, and they choose to desire what is pleasant in the senses over equanimity.

They don't see that as the source of suffering.  Neither do I, most of the time!  ;)

Do animals suffer?  Yes, they do, especially because of the machinations of humans, but I think they don't suffer to the extent that humans do.  They are not as attached to the thinking mind--they think mostly in pictures instead of words, apparently.  Maybe that helps.

We have to find the joy in our thoughts, or at least in our capacity to think, in order to relinquish thought.  We also need a clue, about how to apply our presence of mind other than to thought.

All the clues have led me here:

 

I sit down first thing in the morning and last thing at night, and I look to experience the activity of the body solely by virtue of the free location of consciousness.

 

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2 hours ago, liminal_luke said:

 

Mark,

 

I sometimes find your posts fascinating and, also, a little bit beyond me.  This is one of those posts.  I´m having trouble connecting how your thoughts connect to the quotation of mine you posted.  You can explain if you like -- or not!  Someday maybe I´ll get it.

 

I thought it was just me lol. Sorry Mark, think you're great though!!! :-)

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3 hours ago, surrogate corpse said:

 

I get the sense you are concerned that, in calling "monstrous" what is monstrous, I am failing to see that it is human, and so failing to give it the sympathy that is due all humans. Not so. 

 

You said that you despised these people and that they were evil.  To me that felt like a very strong opinion and part of me hoped to encourage a little more empathy towards what I saw as a very human failing on their part.  Sorry if I overstepped.  Mostly though, I was just using this discusssion as a springboard to consider my own thoughts.  I agree with you that much of what is human is also monstrous.

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@surrogate corpse

By 
Robert Hilburn
Sept. 5, 2004 12 AM PT
 
LA TIMES STAFF WRITER
 

“I heard someone from the music business saying they are no longer looking for talent, they want people with a certain look and a willingness to cooperate,” Joni Mitchell says, summarizing just about everything she feels is wrong with the pop world these days.
 

“I thought, that’s interesting, because I believe a total unwillingness to cooperate is what is necessary to be an artist -- not for perverse reasons, but to protect your vision. The considerations of a corporation, especially now, have nothing to do with art or music. That’s why I spend my time now painting.”

 

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I love Joni Mitchell´s music but don´t always agree with her about social issues.  I just wish she would make more of an effort to see things from both sides now.  Ditto for Neil Young.  I´m still searching for a heart of gold.

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5 hours ago, liminal_luke said:

I love Joni Mitchell´s music but don´t always agree with her about social issues.  I just wish she would make more of an effort to see things from both sides now.  Ditto for Neil Young.  I´m still searching for a heart of gold.


You don’t know what you’ve got till it’s gone.

 

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Honest daily practice routine: 

 

Wake up in the morning and stare at the carpet while having tea. Then I roll around on my yoga mat randomly for a little bit and then after that post gratuitous selfies for no reason.

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