Spiritual Hygiene

[Sanity Check]

Is the practice of spiritual hygiene similar to karma in terms of cause and effect?

 

Except where karma is more linear in nature, spiritual hygiene is more of a dice roll?

 

This has been on my mind. As far as I know taoists do not subscribe directly to karma.

 

Instead they encourage spiritual hygiene. Which is similar to karma but a little different?

Edited December 21, 2023 by Sanity Check

[kakapo]

Spiritual hygiene to me, means not filling your head with false nonsense, and not wasting your life with fake practices.

 

Demanding good hard objective evidence, and only listening to teachers and systems that can provide that.

 

Edited December 21, 2023 by kakapo

[Sanity Check]

By spiritual hygiene, what I mean is.

 

The old practice where taoists would travel the countryside & do good deeds.

 

They would heal people and try to do positive and good things.

 

As part of maintaining their own personal healthy spiritual hygiene.

 

Am I getting the concept wrong? I would be interested to know.

[Daniel]

6 hours ago, kakapo said:

Demanding good hard objective evidence, and only listening to teachers and systems that can provide that.

 

 

You're excluding yourself?  That's excellent progress.

[kakapo]

3 hours ago, Daniel said:

 

You're excluding yourself?  That's excellent progress.

 

Hi Daniel,

 

Since you have my email, you are more than welcome to email me and we can discuss this in private. 

 

Unfortunately per the site rules I can't discuss this on this forum, even in a DM.

 

 

[Sanity Check]

On 12/20/2023 at 3:49 PM, kakapo said:

 

Demanding good hard objective evidence, and only listening to teachers and systems that can provide that.

 

 

 

Remember when Richard Dawkins followers prided themselves on "demanding evidence".

 

I wonder where Dawkins and his "demand evidence" followers are now.

 

Edited December 22, 2023 by Sanity Check

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1 hour ago, Sanity Check said:

 

 

Remember when Richard Dawkins followers prided themselves on "demanding evidence".

 

I wonder where Dawkins and his "demand evidence" followers are now.

 

I know Sam Harris has a meditation app after decades of bashing religion. What’s Dawkin’s current grift?

[Maddie]

1 hour ago, Sanity Check said:

 

 

Remember when Richard Dawkins followers prided themselves on "demanding evidence".

 

I wonder where Dawkins and his "demand evidence" followers are now.

 

 

Here's one lol. Crazy I know right? Wanting to know if someone says something that its true! Nuts! lol

Edited December 22, 2023 by Maddie

[Sanity Check]

1 hour ago, Maddie said:

 

Here's one lol. Crazy I know right? Wanting to know if someone says something that its true! Nuts! lol

 

 

I (usually) demand evidence for nothing.

 

All answers can be self deduced via basic knowledge of history and science.

 

Those who demand evidence are usually those who lack literacy in all areas.

 

They depend upon the literate to explain things.

 

Not a good position for them nor society.

[Maddie]

2 minutes ago, Sanity Check said:

 

 

I (usually) demand evidence for nothing.

 

All answers can be self deduced via basic knowledge of history and science.

 

Those who demand evidence are usually those who lack literacy in all areas.

 

They depend upon the literate to explain things.

 

Not a good position for them nor society.

 

Ok 

 

* In that case I have some beautiful property for you. I promise I own it, I promise its nice, and I promise the price will be fair, just don't ask for any evidence of this ok? :-)

Edited December 22, 2023 by Maddie

[Sanity Check]

7 minutes ago, Maddie said:

 

Ok 

 

* In that case I have some beautiful property for you. I promise I own it, I promise its nice, and I promise the price will be fair, just don't ask for any evidence of this ok? :-)

 

 

 

 

Demanding evidence is a position of subservience and dependence.

 

I prefer people doing more to educate and inform themselves.

 

Rather than believe scientists, experts or anyone in blind faith.

[Maddie]

30 minutes ago, Sanity Check said:

 

 

 

 

Demanding evidence is a position of subservience and dependence.

 

I prefer people doing more to educate and inform themselves.

 

Rather than believe scientists, experts or anyone in blind faith.

 

You don't really hear yourself do you?

[Sanity Check]

2 minutes ago, Maddie said:

 

You don't really hear yourself do you?

 

 

A person at a restaurant.

 

Has no need to demand someone read them the menu.

 

If they can read for themselves.

[Maddie]

47 minutes ago, Sanity Check said:

 

 

 

 

Demanding evidence is a position of subservience and dependence.

 

I prefer people doing more to educate and inform themselves.

 

Rather than believe scientists, experts or anyone in blind faith.

 

You realize that EVIDENCE is the exact opposite of FAITH right? 

[Sanity Check]

21 hours ago, Maddie said:

 

You realize that EVIDENCE is the exact opposite of FAITH right? 

 

 

Evidence trends near to fact.

 

Faith is closer to theory.

 

The two do not exist in the same space but it is inaccurate to say they are opposites.

 

BTW respond to my restaurant analogy.

 

[Maddie]

1 minute ago, Sanity Check said:

 

 

Evidence trends near to fact.

 

Faith is closer to theory.

 

The two do not exist in the same space but it is inaccurate to say they are opposites.

 

BTW respond to my restaurant analogy.

 

 

ok

 

21 hours ago, Sanity Check said:

 

 

A person at a restaurant.

 

Has no need to demand someone read them the menu.

 

If they can read for themselves.

 

that makes no sense. 

[thelerner]

On 12/20/2023 at 7:49 PM, kakapo said:

Spiritual hygiene to me, means not filling your head with false nonsense, and not wasting your life with fake practices.

 

Demanding good hard objective evidence, and only listening to teachers and systems that can provide that.

 

I'm close to Kakapo's understanding but a little different.

Spiritual hygiene to me is not filling your head with nonsense, real or not. 

Truth is less important to me, if a lie moves my progress along.   I get that from my Aikido sensei, who'd say Everything I teach you is a lie, but a necessary one. 

 

The Speech

"..Just because something isn't true that's no reason you can't believe in it. Sometimes the things that may or may not be true are the things a man needs to believe the most. That good always triumphs over evil. Honor, courage and virtue mean everything. That money and power. Power and money mean nothing."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1-KbmIagFw

 

I'm a believer in the power of Karma yoga.  Doesn't take traveling the world or doing great or mystical things.  It's giving your time to help others.  It benefits them, helps us manage our ego and see the world with better perspective.  

 

 

 

Edited December 23, 2023 by thelerner

[kakapo]

2 hours ago, thelerner said:

I'm close to Kakapo's understanding but a little different.

Spiritual hygiene to me is not filling your head with nonsense, real or not. 

Truth is less important to me, if a lie moves my progress along.   I get that from my Aikido sensei, who'd say Everything I teach you is a lie, but a necessary one. 

 

The Speech

"..Just because something isn't true that's no reason you can't believe in it. Sometimes the things that may or may not be true are the things a man needs to believe the most. That good always triumphs over evil. Honor, courage and virtue mean everything. That money and power. Power and money mean nothing."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1-KbmIagFw

 

I'm a believer in the power of Karma yoga.  Doesn't take traveling the world or doing great or mystical things.  It's giving your time to help others.  It benefits them, helps us manage our ego and see the world with better perspective.  

 

 

 

 

vītam impendere vērō

 

Stake life upon truth.

 

-Juvenal

 

 

 

 

[Cobie]

38 minutes ago, kakapo said:

… Juvenal ...

He’s “young”, he’ll learn. 

[thelerner]

1 hour ago, kakapo said:

 

Stake life upon truth.

-Juvenal

 

 

<edit> <didn't fully get Cobie quote>I've  played both sides of the game.  I've found, like Elwood P. Dowd said '“In this world … you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant.”

 

 Obviously for some things, maybe most in the tic toc world you want to know the 'truth'.  Though most often it's a truth, not thee truth. 

 

Right or wrong too many cling to It as a gospel.  They become isms, willing to die or kill for their 'truth' or less dramatically waste time on forums defending their truth.  OUTRAGED by other opinions.  Seems juvenal.  (not that my worst self hasn't engaged in its fair share)

 

I hold the truths, my truths, loosely, at least when I'm smart.  There are not-truths I also hold, again loosely and they give me great pleasure and improve my life.  Often ultra-rationalists turn dogmatic and don't age well.  

Edited December 24, 2023 by thelerner

[Cobie]

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Edited December 24, 2023 by Cobie

[kakapo]

10 minutes ago, Cobie said:

Juvenal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juvenal 

 

Juvenal (Latin) - young.

 

 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juvenal

 

Decimus Junius Juvenalis (Latin: [ˈdɛkɪmʊs ˈjuːniʊs jʊwɛˈnaːlɪs]), known in English as Juvenal (/ˈdʒuːvənəl/ JOO-vən-əl), was a Roman poet active in the late first and early second century CE.

Edited December 24, 2023 by kakapo

[Cobie]

@kakapo yes I knew that. 

 

Edited December 24, 2023 by Cobie

[kakapo]

1 minute ago, Cobie said:

@kakapo yes I knew that. 

 

 

He's also a great rapper! 

[Cobie]

@kakapo that’s just Juvenile.  
 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juvenile_(rapper) 

 

Edited December 24, 2023 by Cobie