My experience with Zhongxian Wu (Master Wu)

[Nuralshamal]

Dear Dao Bums,

I will share my experience with Master Zhongxian Wu (known as Master Wu).

I will share my experiences in the following points:

1) Overview of what of his qigong I've done

2) General overview of my impression of his systems
3) Big positive suprises with his system
4) Small negative aspects I've noticed over the years
5) Summary
6) Conclusion

Overview of his qigong I've done
I've practiced many of his forms and meditations, namely:
a) fire dragon meridian qigong,
b ) shamanic cosmic orbit qigong,
c) talisman qigong and healing,
d) TuGuNaXing ("blow out the old, take in the new" which is his preferred alchemical meditation), 
e) Stretching exercises for acheiving the lotus position
f) and many more

General overview of his systems
He teaches different systems, namely:

a) Emei Qigong 

b ) Dai Xin Yi

c)  Tai Ji
d) Wudang Dragon Gate 

The Emei is more "spiritual" in nature in my opinion, as in this school you connect to the lineage through mantras, mudras and talismans, and thereby gain access to universal energy as well as the energy of the lineage. It is then through this connection you further your own energy, by plugging in to a larger container.

My impression is that the Wudang Dragon Gate is a more "mainstream" qigong, meaning that it focuses more on stretching and strengthening the physical body, with a heavy focus on the lower dan tien and increasing health and vitality.

 

Big positive surprises with his systems
I was very surprised that no matter what he does, it works! Calligraphy, music, mantras, qigong, meditation, drinking tea, no matter what he teaches, there is a large amount of qi transmission taking place.

There really is a possibility of cultivating your jing, qi and shen, your body, energy and spirit, through things such as calligraphy, drinking tea, playing music. This was a big positive surprise.

The same goes for his healing methods; all these methods can be used for healing as well. And it works! Even though you don't have powerful qi yourself, by connecting to the lineage through mantras, mudras and talismans, you can get extra qi.

 

Small negative aspects I've noticed over the years
The first thing is that he doesn't always answer people's questions. This can be very frustrating. It's a two way street: you need to prove yourself to him, only then will he consider your questions.

The second thing I've noticed which is very strange, is that people meeting him for the first time tend not to like him. His long time students worship him, because they know he is for real. He has qi, he has knowledge, and if you keep at it, he can really "deliver the goods". However, for some reason, people who don't know him tend to dislike him, e.g. when going to their first course or workshop with him.

This is in stark contrast to other spiritual teachers I've met. Here everyone who meets them simply likes them for no reason.

Summary

He is a legit master, he teaches the real thing, and whatever he teaches works. He has the knowledge, experience, qi, skills, lineage and transmission to take you all the way from the body, to the energy, to the spirit, and to connect with the universe.

The negative aspects are that he is quite expensive, can disregard people's questions, people tend not to like him in the beginning, and he surprises everyone with the amounts of meat and alcohol he ingests.

Conclusion
If you're looking to experience qi directly, his qi transmission is legit. If you're more into the spiritual side of things, go with Emei and learn the mantras, mudras and talismans. If you're more into the physical and vitalizing aspects of qigong, go for his Wudang Dragon Gate Qigong.


 

[senseless virtue]

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The negative aspects are that he is quite expensive

 

Why do people pay courtesan prices with supposedly genuine spiritual teachers?

 

All the really accomplished and dedicated teachers I've met and heard about disregard money as fairly unimportant, hence there is no relationship based on money which really would cheapen the nature of the spiritual practice even.

Edited July 19, 2021 by virtue

[freeform]

39 minutes ago, virtue said:

All the really accomplished and dedicated teachers I've met and heard about disregard money as fairly unimportant, hence there is no relationship based on money which really would cheapen the nature of the spiritual practice even.

I’ve come across a few very high level teachers that charge ridiculous amounts…

 

From what I understand, some teachers only want to teach people with means - it’s like a way of disqualifying those that wouldn’t be able to quit work and dedicate themselves… and it decreases the number of students - which is a huge drain on genuine teachers.

 

In all honesty I really disliked this approach and felt a bit weird meeting with one such teacher.
 

But I did meet him - he’s genuine and exceptionally accomplished. I visited his house, and he was obviously well off, but wasn’t flaunting wealth. Later one of his students told me that high prices is his way of quickly sifting through prospective students. He was already very wealthy from running a big business - and all the money from teaching was funnelled into various causes he supported.

 

But I couldn’t afford more than a couple of meetings with him 😄

[freeform]

Oh and it wasn’t master wu!

 

The fancy outfits put me off meeting him 

[Nuralshamal]

To his defense, he also has begun making "donation-based" online practices during the pandemic to help people out.

Furthermore, from stories he's told, in his beginning years of learning qigong, he did many healings and teachings completely for free.

But yes, like you said @virtue it's definitively something to be aware of. That's why I included it in my experience; to help guide others to make the best choices for themselves

That's what I think makes the best "my experience of" posts. To give as nuanced and as objective as possible descriptions, to help others out.

[moreira Filho]

Hi. How you receive teachings from the master Wu? And what was the practices of Ermei that you had classes? I would like to had some experience in his system. How can i rceive instruction on it? Thanks.

[moreira Filho]

On 16/07/2021 at 7:16 AM, Nuralshamal said:

c) talisman qigong and healing,

Where can i learn it?

[Nuralshamal]

@moreira Filho thanks for your posts

https://chinesewisdomtraditions.com/events/ 

If you go to his schedule on his webpage, which is called chinesewisdomtraditions.com (I linked it above). 

Then you can currently learn the Emei talisman qigong online (due to Corona).

He's currently doing "The Tiger Talisman Qigong" quite a lot, but also the "Mother of the Big Dipper Talisman Qigong".

The Tiger Talisman corresponds to "metal" qi. This includes the lungs, large intestine, skin, qi, navel, bones, joints, thighs and breathing. It's also connected to your immune system (killing bad qi, that's why it's called metal, it's sharp, purifying, cutting and killing bad things).

The "Mother of the Big Dipper Talisman" corresponds to the qi of the center of the Milky Way Galaxy. It corresponds to universal qi.

Those were just some very short and simplified explanations. You'll learn more in the class

All the best!

[moreira Filho]

11 minutes ago, Nuralshamal said:

@moreira Filho thanks for your posts

https://chinesewisdomtraditions.com/events/ 

If you go to his schedule on his webpage, which is called chinesewisdomtraditions.com (I linked it above). 

Then you can currently learn the Emei talisman qigong online (due to Corona).

He's currently doing "The Tiger Talisman Qigong" quite a lot, but also the "Mother of the Big Dipper Talisman Qigong".

The Tiger Talisman corresponds to "metal" qi. This includes the lungs, large intestine, skin, qi, navel, bones, joints, thighs and breathing. It's also connected to your immune system (killing bad qi, that's why it's called metal, it's sharp, purifying, cutting and killing bad things).

The "Mother of the Big Dipper Talisman" corresponds to the qi of the center of the Milky Way Galaxy. It corresponds to universal qi.

Those were just some very short and simplified explanations. You'll learn more in the class

All the best!

 

thanks!!!!!!!!

 

[moreira Filho]

1 hour ago, moreira Filho said:

 

thanks!!!!!!!!

 

I made contat. They are very fast to answer. Unfortunatey for me only presencialinstruction on the Mother of the Big Dipper Talisman. Also maybe the cost to high for me (my local currency is much lower than the dollar). Thanks for the help.

[hierundjetzt]

On 10/2/2021 at 3:51 PM, Nuralshamal said:

@moreira Filho thanks for your posts

https://chinesewisdomtraditions.com/events/ 

If you go to his schedule on his webpage, which is called chinesewisdomtraditions.com (I linked it above). 

Then you can currently learn the Emei talisman qigong online (due to Corona).

He's currently doing "The Tiger Talisman Qigong" quite a lot, but also the "Mother of the Big Dipper Talisman Qigong".

The Tiger Talisman corresponds to "metal" qi. This includes the lungs, large intestine, skin, qi, navel, bones, joints, thighs and breathing. It's also connected to your immune system (killing bad qi, that's why it's called metal, it's sharp, purifying, cutting and killing bad things).

The "Mother of the Big Dipper Talisman" corresponds to the qi of the center of the Milky Way Galaxy. It corresponds to universal qi.

Those were just some very short and simplified explanations. You'll learn more in the class

All the best!

Do the online courses of Tiger talisman qigong (I think they are just recordings and not live) need a transmission from Master Wu at some point? Or does that type of qigong work even without an energy transmission?

[Nuralshamal]

@hierundjetzt that's a great question.

When I did the live 1 day workshop, it just worked immediately. I was practicing daily on my mother and sister, then 1-3x/week on my dad and his girlfriend (my parents are divorced). Just whenever I saw them. We all live close to each other, so daily when I had to practice, I usually went to visit them, so I could do the initial practice on my own for 20-60 minutes, then afterwards when I was full of the energy from the practice, I would practice the healing part, then afterwards go back into a room to meditate and do closing for about 5-10 minutes.

After about 2-3 weeks, people started calling me, because they heard of it. That's when I tried distance healing for the first time. I did what Wu told me: just remember the last time you saw the person. Then visualise you're there with them again, then do the healing.

It's a 49 day practice cycle to get the power, and even then it's not always a success. Wu told me him and another fellow student who had both been chosen to carry on the Emei talisman lineage had to go through a particular 49 day program at the mountain monastery.

After completion, next day, they had to do a test to see if their practice had been accepted or not. So it's not a given. And they practiced at the temple itself, directly under a lineage holding master, daily offering elaborate ritual prayer and offering for 2-3 hours in a kneeling position to the lineage masters and much more elaborate practice.

I also remember many of his students confiding in me that they feel completely spent and exhausted after healing others.

Whereas master Wu told me the more he heals the more energetic he feels (because of the lineage hookup to unlimitied universal qi - so every time he connects with universal qi for healing, he also gets a boost).

So honestly Wu has not 100% answered what it takes to get the full transmission and lineage hook up. Because these students that confided in me have spent 10-15 years with him, and I would guess they've done innummerable 49 day cycles. But then again, I've realized the past couple of years that it's actually super rare to have the discipline to do daily practice without fail for years and years, also just for 49 days.

I thought it was normal (the discipline, daily practice without fail), I think it's because my dad was a gong fu master, so when I was as little as 4, if I woke up early (e.g. 4-6 in the morning), I would always without fail find him meditating. Then I was in the army for 14 years, this is ofc also a disciplined lifestyle.

That's how I grew up, my dad lead by example, he always told me that daily practice without fail under a true guru from authentic lineage is the secret in spirituality. So now I've been going 12.5 years with meditation and 10 with qigong.

I can't say why my practice of the talisman "was accepted", because it worked already before the completion of the very first 49 day cycle. Because at that point I think I had only been practicing Master Wu's qigong about 1 or 2 years or so.

But the overall rule of thumb and my impression is: if you take any class from Wu (whether in person, online, or a recording - including talisman), and you actually practice everything as taught, to the T, for 49 days without fail, you too will get the power.

Hope this helps!

All the best bro  

 

[hierundjetzt]

21 minutes ago, Nuralshamal said:

@hierundjetzt that's a great question.

When I did the live 1 day workshop, it just worked immediately. I was practicing daily on my mother and sister, then 1-3x/week on my dad and his girlfriend (my parents are divorced). Just whenever I saw them. We all live close to each other, so daily when I had to practice, I usually went to visit them, so I could do the initial practice on my own for 20-60 minutes, then afterwards when I was full of the energy from the practice, I would practice the healing part, then afterwards go back into a room to meditate and do closing for about 5-10 minutes.

After about 2-3 weeks, people started calling me, because they heard of it. That's when I tried distance healing for the first time. I did what Wu told me: just remember the last time you saw the person. Then visualise you're there with them again, then do the healing.

It's a 49 day practice cycle to get the power, and even then it's not always a success. Wu told me him and another fellow student who had both been chosen to carry on the Emei talisman lineage had to go through a particular 49 day program at the mountain monastery.

After completion, next day, they had to do a test to see if their practice had been accepted or not. So it's not a given. And they practiced at the temple itself, directly under a lineage holding master, daily offering elaborate ritual prayer and offering for 2-3 hours in a kneeling position to the lineage masters and much more elaborate practice.

I also remember many of his students confiding in me that they feel completely spent and exhausted after healing others.

Whereas master Wu told me the more he heals the more energetic he feels (because of the lineage hookup to unlimitied universal qi - so every time he connects with universal qi for healing, he also gets a boost).

So honestly Wu has not 100% answered what it takes to get the full transmission and lineage hook up. Because these students that confided in me have spent 10-15 years with him, and I would guess they've done innummerable 49 day cycles. But then again, I've realized the past couple of years that it's actually super rare to have the discipline to do daily practice without fail for years and years, also just for 49 days.

I thought it was normal (the discipline, daily practice without fail), I think it's because my dad was a gong fu master, so when I was as little as 4, if I woke up early (e.g. 4-6 in the morning), I would always without fail find him meditating. Then I was in the army for 14 years, this is ofc also a disciplined lifestyle.

That's how I grew up, my dad lead by example, he always told me that daily practice without fail under a true guru from authentic lineage is the secret in spirituality. So now I've been going 12.5 years with meditation and 10 with qigong.

I can't say why my practice of the talisman "was accepted", because it worked already before the completion of the very first 49 day cycle. Because at that point I think I had only been practicing Master Wu's qigong about 1 or 2 years or so.

But the overall rule of thumb and my impression is: if you take any class from Wu (whether in person, online, or a recording - including talisman), and you actually practice everything as taught, to the T, for 49 days without fail, you too will get the power.

Hope this helps!

All the best bro  

 

Thanks for the detailed explanation.  Well, I guess the only way to find out for me to try. For the time-being it is still on to-do list for the future. Probably if i can manage though a live class with Master Wu should be a priority. 

Thanks again!

[Nuralshamal]

7 minutes ago, hierundjetzt said:

Thanks for the detailed explanation.  Well, I guess the only way to find out for me to try. For the time-being it is still on to-do list for the future. Probably if i can manage though a live class with Master Wu should be a priority. 

Thanks again!

 

Yes, give it a go

Just give a recording a go, start today, why wait? It's always best to get going and learn by experience instead of eternally pondering and analysing. Then you're in the process.

That's been a huge life-lesson for me the past 3-5 years. 

Get going, pluck the lowest hanging fruit first (easy wins, low risk), then proceed from there to next lowest hanging fruit. Take action.

Eg after a 49 day cycle of the recording (lowest hanging fruit, no risk, it's cheap and at home), then you'll have an even better ground on which to decide whether you want to go to a live workshop (which cost more time and money).

1 practical step at a time  thought, feeling, action, repeat.

Anyways, just my 2 cents, take it or leave it, all the best bro!
 

[hierundjetzt]

19 minutes ago, Nuralshamal said:

 

Yes, give it a go

Just give a recording a go, start today, why wait? It's always best to get going and learn by experience instead of eternally pondering and analysing. Then you're in the process.

That's been a huge life-lesson for me the past 3-5 years. 

Get going, pluck the lowest hanging fruit first (easy wins, low risk), then proceed from there to next lowest hanging fruit. Take action.

Eg after a 49 day cycle of the recording (lowest hanging fruit, no risk, it's cheap and at home), then you'll have an even better ground on which to decide whether you want to go to a live workshop (which cost more time and money).

1 practical step at a time  thought, feeling, action, repeat.

Anyways, just my 2 cents, take it or leave it, all the best bro!
 

Of course you're right. At the moment I'm finishing another practice, but after i have established a routine on that one (also getting a feel for how much free time i still have), I'll include the talisman qigong.

But you are absolutely right, procrastinating anything is never a good idea!

[silent thunder]

On 6/12/2025 at 2:15 AM, hierundjetzt said:

procrastinating anything is never a good idea

So conditions always support starting any venture immediately?

No reading the signs and conditions?