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So im new to this whole qigong thing im trying to find info so research what kind of systems are out there and browsing around here i see there are a lot of systems. What is a good resource i can use to learn/look up what kind of system/s i might like?

Also ive noticed that its kinda hard to find good info on youtube to do some of these exercises and its even harder to learn about one thats not behind a paywall. Is information behind a paywall normal around here?

Again thanks for taking the time to answer my questions.

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Greeting mr roboxemnas.  Paywalls.. the modernity of wanting information and teachings for free.  I think it does us harm.  We get overloaded with so much information, that we de-value it.  Instead of hard daily practice, we spend more time watching and arguing on the internet.  Less may be better.  Spending money and dedication may be the real secret.  To find what you like, try some, for a week or so.. see what connects and go with it.  Don't be too intellectual about it.


On the other hand there are some great free programs out there.  I love several of Rawn Clarks free programs, Archaeous, YHVH.. There are a couple of threads on Damo MCO program on youtube-

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On 2020-11-15 at 7:02 PM, roboxemnas said:


Is information behind a paywall normal around here?



Teachers like to eat. 

If you just want to test stuff, youtube might be an adequate source of information. 


Many "free sources" also have programs you have to pay for, especially now in covid times when teachers normal cash flow is diminished. 


If you get in to it, you might find out that the paywall is the difference between an adequate teacher and someone who teaches a multilayered system stuffed with options and possibilities. 


The down side is that, if you continue, you are likely to spend money on stuff you then decide not to use. I know I have. But I had fun doing it, so it doesn't matter ūüėä.¬†

It might take time to find the system that really "clicks" for you, try to have fun while searching for it. 



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Hi Newbie- you may even find  out that you are not even interested in qigong. or maybe you are-


Not ever saying teachers and teaching a practice don't deserve money for time and effort.


In my experience it was and is easy to get caught up in someone else's practice/journey. free or paid

this is easily said around friends and family who also have their ideas of what should be going on....


I did some qigong and then eventually went to a PAID nutrition camp/health ministry and then I reached for Jesus Christ.

Those teachings are free.


Lots of people in business intend to do good-it can become problematic, though.



Qigong might be your thing though and I hope you find something that works on many levels.


I picked up an outdoor class qigong long time ago and it was free but I insisted on paying.


so maybe something is free and you end up paying for it or something has a cost and you get it free not intended.


who is to say whats on your path











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23 hours ago, thelerner said:

On the other hand there are some great free programs out there.  I love several of Rawn Clarks free programs, Archaeous, YHVH.. There are a couple of threads on Damo MCO program on youtube-

Thanks very much for this. I have just started to learn about qi gong, I have a couple of Mantak Chia books. The material that you have mentioned looks fascinating. Looks like my little project could become a life long journey.

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For solid foundational Qi Gong info... I highly recommend the work of Dr Yang Jwing-Ming.  In particular for beginners,  The Root of Chinese Qi Gong.


I still, years into my practice, revisit it.  A modern classic in my experience.

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The TDBs has an interviews section that has a wealth of content. So much info out there....keep your bullshit meter on and sift the chaff from the wheat. Just developing a very basic meditation practice of 5 min a day is a good place to start as you continue to explore diverse methods. 

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