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i would like advice, on how to best deal with this.
 

I have an issue of going into other peoples bodies,     or otherwise said creating instances of what it is like to be as the other person and then creating an  imprint of the experience

so what happens is:
 

-i see a person  on my computer screen lying on their back with their legs up in the air.

i will feel what it is like,   to be lying  on my back and physicly feeling a bed suppprting me  under my back, and what it is like to physicly use my my muscles to have and keep my legs in the air,    while in actuality im sitting on my chair looking at a person doing this on tv.
 

-i will see a woman,  walk in a  kind of seductive feminine jessica rabbit hip swinging way putting her legs
and i will feel what it is like to walk in that way, and how to actually place my feets crossed legged  in front of eachother having a hipsway.  
i actually know how to do this now, while not actually walking in that way
 

-now if i were to watch porn,  well it gets a bit uncomfortable,    i will taste things and feel things im not looking to feel or taste.    and if say a finger were to go somewhere i will feel it in my body.  
 

it has various degrees,  i can go all the way  or il just have the general sense but not to much detail.    taste for example would be alot of detail.    or i can just have a hint of what it is like without very noticable physical sensations  but still having a sense of it.
ive also had instances where i dont have it at all or almost not at all


ive had degrees of this  for a longer time

the last 8 months ive had a nervous system issue - where there goes electricity underneath my footsoles and  up on the frontside  and it affects my brain made it foggy and impaired.     and because of that i could not apply pressure or interfere as much with what pattenrs werre running. and  it instantiated to kind of  to new heights because i just kinda had to  let it all go in whatever way it went  for months. and go it went.


what advice,  perspectives  etc can  you offer whats going on here? and especially how do you recommend i resolve this?

so a couple things on my mind:

-definatly im not thuroughly grounded in my own body and  my senses and just my body and my senses

-this happens when watching tv  and not so much or heaviliy and uncontrolled when outside in activity with a world happening around me and exercising my body.    the world forces me more into my senses.   i do have issues of being to stuck in my head and feeling disconnected while being outside
 

-ive had groundedness issues for a longer time  im not imbodied as much as i want at all my body is not alive as much as i want.  and to much in my head

-it seems like i have somatic bridge between what i perceive and then able to feel it in my body.     micro muscle modelling.  its a good skill for faster aquiring physical skills.  thats happening involuntarily


the first thing i would think off is starting a mindfullness practice - with a focus on my body senses.   for example playing a sound and then focussing all my attention on the what my ears are perceiving,     then what my body is feeling,   then  go do  the breathe in my nostrils, or how my belly moves

i havent been able to do this - because anything eyes closed would make the electricity issues enhance
its gotten alot less through.         i think i should be able to do some mindfullness now. though it wont be perfect untill i have my nervous system issue completely resolved.

what other practices are there? toughts,  ideas, advice anything is welcome. lets talk!

 

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11 hours ago, Takingcharge said:

-definatly im not thuroughly grounded in my own body and  my senses and just my body and my senses

 

Yes - I think your sense of the situation is correct. Your mind and body have become detached from one another. This is also reflected in your hypermobility.

 

12 hours ago, Takingcharge said:

the first thing i would think off is starting a mindfullness practice

 

I would suggest avoiding any internally-focused practice until you've been thoroughly diagnosed and treated. It is quite possible to make your issues worse with this sort of stuff.

 

Do something more physical... walking, light jogging, jumping on the spot (or on a trampoline) - start slow and be cautious with increasing intensity.

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14 hours ago, Takingcharge said:

i would like advice, on how to best deal with this.
 

I have an issue of going into other peoples bodies,     or otherwise said creating instances of what it is like to be as the other person and then creating an  imprint of the experience

so what happens is:
 

-i see a person  on my computer screen lying on their back with their legs up in the air.

i will feel what it is like,   to be lying  on my back and physicly feeling a bed suppprting me  under my back, and what it is like to physicly use my my muscles to have and keep my legs in the air,    while in actuality im sitting on my chair looking at a person doing this on tv.
 

-i will see a woman,  walk in a  kind of seductive feminine jessica rabbit hip swinging way putting her legs
and i will feel what it is like to walk in that way, and how to actually place my feets crossed legged  in front of eachother having a hipsway.  
i actually know how to do this now, while not actually walking in that way
 

-now if i were to watch porn,  well it gets a bit uncomfortable,    i will taste things and feel things im not looking to feel or taste.    and if say a finger were to go somewhere i will feel it in my body.  
 

it has various degrees,  i can go all the way  or il just have the general sense but not to much detail.    taste for example would be alot of detail.    or i can just have a hint of what it is like without very noticable physical sensations  but still having a sense of it.
ive also had instances where i dont have it at all or almost not at all


ive had degrees of this  for a longer time

the last 8 months ive had a nervous system issue - where there goes electricity underneath my footsoles and  up on the frontside  and it affects my brain made it foggy and impaired.     and because of that i could not apply pressure or interfere as much with what pattenrs werre running. and  it instantiated to kind of  to new heights because i just kinda had to  let it all go in whatever way it went  for months. and go it went.


what advice,  perspectives  etc can  you offer whats going on here? and especially how do you recommend i resolve this?

so a couple things on my mind:

-definatly im not thuroughly grounded in my own body and  my senses and just my body and my senses

-this happens when watching tv  and not so much or heaviliy and uncontrolled when outside in activity with a world happening around me and exercising my body.    the world forces me more into my senses.   i do have issues of being to stuck in my head and feeling disconnected while being outside
 

-ive had groundedness issues for a longer time  im not imbodied as much as i want at all my body is not alive as much as i want.  and to much in my head

-it seems like i have somatic bridge between what i perceive and then able to feel it in my body.     micro muscle modelling.  its a good skill for faster aquiring physical skills.  thats happening involuntarily


the first thing i would think off is starting a mindfullness practice - with a focus on my body senses.   for example playing a sound and then focussing all my attention on the what my ears are perceiving,     then what my body is feeling,   then  go do  the breathe in my nostrils, or how my belly moves

i havent been able to do this - because anything eyes closed would make the electricity issues enhance
its gotten alot less through.         i think i should be able to do some mindfullness now. though it wont be perfect untill i have my nervous system issue completely resolved.

what other practices are there? toughts,  ideas, advice anything is welcome. lets talk!

 

 

Can you do a test, find a real person, watch what they do, and do you still feel the same in this actual person's body?   And then you ask this person, do they feel anything special?   When you model them, and change your action, like scratch your nose, would they follow you back?

 

 

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Something I wrote many years ago:

 

Closeness

 

In stillness I sit refining emptiness

I have no face I'm empty passivity

The breath comes and goes

 

Sometimes she comes and sits with me

An occasional visitor

My ephemeral friend, just watching

She comes and goes at will

Time and space don't restrain her

She expresses no judgement

 

One day she enters silently

Like putting on her clothes

She steps into my body

She feels her way through

Legs, hips, genitals, voice, consciousness

Her energies throughout mine

She embodies herself

 

She flexes a little

What does she feel?

She expresses no judgement

 

She changes me

reveals the female from the inside

With me, always there, day and night

My whole being revealed

My body shared

 

No she's not a goddess

Just a friend who knows

How to travel outside her body

 

Then spirit guides spoke

And said she cannot stay

She must leave to find herself

The same for me, not easy

 

I asked why she seems so sad

They said she's a long way from home

She comes from another realm

Here on earth her path different from mine

We cannot help each other more

Her presence fades

I feel a gentle longing

 

I hope she gained as much as me

In the days we walked around feeling complete,

in bliss, like lovers

we showed each other everything

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11 hours ago, Yueya said:

Closeness

 

Hi Yueya,

 

The intimacy of Yin/Yang energies as in yab-yum... for instance?

 

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The Practice of Conceptual Association

"A model of a qualitative logic in which one is able to interrogate and decipher concepts from a subject to relate them to other subjects." - Rensin
 

Conceptual Association: Universal Concepts For Fundamental Duality
Through Conceptual Association, it is possible to polarize subjects by conceptualizing their greater aspects in manifest; this is managed by the Law of Duality. The allocations in this mode of logic are the concepts of Linearity (represented as a line) and Circularity (represented as a circle). 

 

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The Paradox: These concepts are capable of contradicting their major significance in the concept of manifestation. The reason is that of the objectivity of the Third Dimension, in which all duality is ‘fused’. This will ultimately be placed on subjective perception. The same paradox is seen in Taoism’s Yin and Yang; the yin within the yang, and the yang within the yin. Because of the capability of addressing concepts to fundamental duality, and that this duality meshed, this implies a oneness in all things. 

Why Linearity and Circularity? The essence of this realm of manifest is vibration, or waveform, which can be functionally and mathematically dissected to create a Universal definition. This is where the dual concepts have been conceptualized into two dimensions, respectively as 2D representations.

 

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On 15-6-2020 at 12:18 PM, freeform said:

 

Yes - I think your sense of the situation is correct. Your mind and body have become detached from one another. This is also reflected in your hypermobility.

 

 

I would suggest avoiding any internally-focused practice until you've been thoroughly diagnosed and treated. It is quite possible to make your issues worse with this sort of stuff.

 

Do something more physical... walking, light jogging, jumping on the spot (or on a trampoline) - start slow and be cautious with increasing intensity.

 

just to be clear,    im not severely disasociated in any way.  reading it back it sounds really extreme.


@Master Logray

-i also dont think im actually going inside peoples bodies,  normally i would say if such a thing is possible,   but clearly on this forum people believe its very possible.      but  i doubt theyl begin following my lead,  if they were it probably be because they  were in rapport with me and or theyre reactive to me, with causes people to follow your gestures.  i know heavility focussing on people can create a kind of entrainment that makes them follow  your lead but i think that has more to do with strong rapport.




the process itself i know where its coming from 

ive always been kind of empathic ( the normal kind)  having a sense of other people as well as   curious about what makes people tick,  so spending time analysing what structures motivate my acitons and toughts    and those of others trying to figure out what other must or might be feeling   has always been something ive kind of leaned towards.  so ive always had a bit of an inclination to be other focussed. and in my head.
-ive also  always especially when younger spend lots of time thinking and introspecting,     as well as thinking endlessly about things  - this kind of geared me towards to being in light eyes open trances alot.   


so i probably developed a bit of disbalance between  body and head.    but nowhere was it anything dysfunctional. exept introvertion i guess



 

when i was younger at some point  i used movies - as a way to  micro muscle modell,  i didnt know i was doing this it was just kind of an intuive thing i ventured into

not looking at it as clear and specific processes  i engaged in that probably should  probably be  marked off  -by a clear beginning
-   a clear ending
- followed by a returning to normal baseline state.     
   i went through a period where i stopped watching tv  because i was taking on things i didnt want -     so i stopped watching tv for a period
i didnt have a clear way to fully disengage from it.        i didnt have a concept of state and clear state breaks.


 

 i definatly wouldnt say im ultra ungrounded in some extreme way,  ive also had hyper mobility all my life.  but yeah it could be better balanced

 

i think i get whats kind of going on now though.  ive monitored it for a while

 

1) the nervous system issue we spoke about,  ive gotten it to reduce significantly thankfully, like alot.  through idemotor finger signals, non trance,  asking my unconscious if if it can return my nervous system back to normal healthy functioning

it axctually shifted it completely  for  a bit.
the electrictity  thats coming up on the front side of my body  -> it  pulls it back down, it actually fully takes it out of my eyes , my forehead,    down out   back down my legs,  back under my footsoles,  and i think it goes back up my spine   and i felt completely normal for a few good hours, it was amazing.      but it returns back  at some point i feel it moving back down  my neck , down the backside my legs,  under my footsoles and up on the front again.        but its at least in a very diminished way.

it seems to be mainly electrictity behind my eyes and in my foreheadspace, that still messes with me somewhat.   there is a whole space apparently in your forehead i can feel it because the electricity travels down it.  and it creates a pressure there. 

and it kind of activates my head more 
  something  about the eyes connected to my brain and my forehead it seems.because when i sit behind a computer screen 
-my eyes slightly roll to the right  in a way that my forehead kind of activates and it makes me slightly be in my mind while im also here -      not in an introspectiveway thinking way.  but more so like there is a  movie screen in your forehead.      so im sitting there    but im partially in my mind.     thats what kind of caused this i think. 

 

2) i seem to have to much energy or something in my head. i dont know anything about energy but thats just how it feels.  its gotten alot less but when i sleep it happens sometimes

i had a period where my  mind visuals were extremely vivid colours  incredibly vivid
and at the height there was this kind of warmhole  that  sucked me in  - it seemed like i  was travelling through it -  but yeah i was definatly not gonna do that so i pulled out. 
but ive never seen such vivid  pictures with my eyes closed
 

 

in the topic about entitties -  i asked some questions  because i know nothing off it, and i was just trying to figure out what i was seeing.

monitoring it extensively i know now
that i  start dreaming before im fully asleep.  my brain feels like its wet like theres fluids in it.   
and my pictures liven up.    ive caught myself talking to people in the movies a few times now - i was already dreaming, semi lucid and i shift out of it and im like huh.  so thats probably just dreaming

 

then a few times , it seemed a little different from that  saw weird things present themselves.
-i also had a thing blow white powerder on my face   saying weird words
that was pretty  creepy
i just keep monitoring it,   

 

 

3) there seems to be something with my neck, because of the hyper mobility. the top hinge vertaebrae it shifts way to much and it seems it disbalances something.    because i used to flex the neck muscle in a certain way to exactly reallign that top vertabrae  and a sense of symmatry i would feel

and i will start feeling something happen in my  throat at the bottom bellow the adams apple, where you stick the finger in krav maga.      and the place in my belly and im instantly  more  behind my eyes  and in my body




4) the last time i did mdma (whitch i stopped obviously)  it had a much different effect  - and  i think its because of the neck  inhibits properflow of whatever flows there...  so when you take mdma and basicly open up the fossett   it was a complete different effect,   i got all foggy instead of  kind of clear and outwards focussed in my senses  as i normally would.        i think that had an effect to

On 15-6-2020 at 12:18 PM, freeform said:

I would suggest avoiding any internally-focused practice until you've been thoroughly diagnosed and treated. It is quite possible to make your issues worse with this sort of stuff.

 

Do something more physical... walking, light jogging, jumping on the spot (or on a trampoline) - start slow and be cautious with increasing intensity.

 

WELL, i would very much like to ,   but the xian tian college seems impossible to reach currently been trying to for over a month.
and i dont really know of other places i could ask


yeah  i havent been doing it, but even a 5 minute mindfullness practice non trance? just outwards focussed attention.  on my breathe and my senses?   im just trying to ground andembody more and calm and center  to start my day off better

why do you say jumping specificly?  is there something about that act?  or just because it can be low impact

 

i also have crazy reduced  is it propropception or the vestibular one? or both    i definatly get unbalanced crazy fast
started noticing it when im pacing through my room,   doing the turns.    if i make a circle i already notice it. i dont get dizzy percep  but i feel that beginning of dizzyness,  just somewhat offbalanced  - so yeah proprioception that would be.    thats ridiculous



 

 

 

 

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13 hours ago, Takingcharge said:

why do you say jumping specificly?  is there something about that act?  or just because it can be low impact

 

It works the connective tissues in a beneficial but low impact way (particularly if you use a rebounder)

 

13 hours ago, Takingcharge said:

WELL, i would very much like to ,   but the xian tian college seems impossible to reach currently been trying to for over a month.

 

That's a shame - I say keep trying. Have you reached out to the people in their practitioner directory?

 

13 hours ago, Takingcharge said:

i also have crazy reduced  is it propropception

 

Yes, this (along with other stuff we've talked about) is what I mean by disconnection from your body - not a full-on dissociation/depersonalization - but the 'mind fluid' is not interacting with your physical body correctly.

 

13 hours ago, Takingcharge said:

but even a 5 minute mindfullness practice non trance?

 

You can always try - and see how it impacts your other symptoms.

 

But yes I would generally discourage any such practices in your situation. A walk in a park or amongst some trees would be a far better idea, in my opinion.

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The phenomenon seems to be complicated.  The possible sources could be over-empathy, neural problem, mental problem, possession, effect of chemicals, brain tumour and so on.  Instead of giving specific advices, I would suggest the course of action.

 

The first step is usually screening out unrelated items, then it would be easier to solve  or look for help.  A log book would be very useful.  Just jot down the phenomenons, and the external environments, like food taken, drinks? emotional state, time on TV,  people met,  medicines and supplements, internal cultivation methods, weather, and whatever may be involved.  Given sufficient information, a pattern may be discerned.  That would be a starting point. 

 

The second step would be actions to cut out something and see the results.  Like @Freeform said, stop mindfulness for a period, and see what is going on, does it enhance it or reduce it.    If the situation is not critical, it is better not to cut off something immediately.  Things happen for a reason and they may be useful, even though they look like something bad now.

 

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1 hour ago, Master Logray said:

A log book would be very useful. 

 

Yes ~ very much so.

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On 6/16/2020 at 7:40 PM, Limahong said:

Conceptual Association: Universal Concepts For Fundamental Duality
Through Conceptual Association, it is possible to polarize subjects by conceptualizing their greater aspects in manifest; this is managed by the Law of Duality. The allocations in this mode of logic are the concepts of Linearity (represented as a line) and Circularity (represented as a circle). 

 

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When (Y)JIN  and(Y) JANG come into focus... linearly and circularly ~ 

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11 hours ago, Master Logray said:

The phenomenon seems to be complicated.  The possible sources could be over-empathy, neural problem, mental problem, possession, effect of chemicals, brain tumour and so on.  Instead of giving specific advices, I would suggest the course of action.

 

The first step is usually screening out unrelated items, then it would be easier to solve  or look for help.  A log book would be very useful.  Just jot down the phenomenons, and the external environments, like food taken, drinks? emotional state, time on TV,  people met,  medicines and supplements, internal cultivation methods, weather, and whatever may be involved.  Given sufficient information, a pattern may be discerned.  That would be a starting point. 

 

The second step would be actions to cut out something and see the results.  Like @Freeform said, stop mindfulness for a period, and see what is going on, does it enhance it or reduce it.    If the situation is not critical, it is better not to cut off something immediately.  Things happen for a reason and they may be useful, even though they look like something bad now.

 

 

yeah thats a good plan

Ive been trying to find a way to track it in a consise clear organised way  thats easy to refer back to and have a bigpicture view -  but i dont know how i get overwhelmed.  also my thinking hasnt been as clear so i get overwhelmed easier. though its been getting alot better

 

WHat i have is and enless string  of  dayly journal entries    on my iphone   where i write about whats goingo n 
but its chaotic   not short and consise at all.    mixed in with other toughts.    i tried going over it the other say but its a mess. definatly not built for quick glance rereading. but its all i could think of at the time thinking any record was better then no record,  plus the act of observing it and noting would at least get me better noticing what exactly was going on.

do you have any tips and advice on how to do that in eazy clear way?   i dont have experience in tracking various things  on a dayly basis like id imagine for example fitness people do.

 

 

This also isnt my main issue.         this was the last thing i was going to make a topic about.

 

 

while i was awaiting approval i spoke with freeform about it and earl grey. 

im not an energy meditator.    all i do is basic mindfullness and self hypnosis.    
i developed  an issue with my nervous system  after having gone to a hypnotherapist for a hypnosis session,  and i came here because daoist practices work extensively with the nervous system and would probably have extensive mappings on it or some kind of moddels.  becuase i had no idea what was  going on.  and couldnt get help anywhere.  that was in november/december.

 

i had basicly  electricity coming down the back  down my legs,  underneat my footsoles  , and up on the frontside. up to my forehead.  and eventually after months of battle  it would go  from my forehead over my scalp and back down my back again making a circle.    and it caused stomach cramps  ,  foggyness ,  strain on my eyes.  and id get icecold randomly.

freeform thinks my chi flow got reversed somehow.  so it would be a form of chi deviation.   so ive been looking for an acupuncturist thats trained in classic acupuncture.    did all kinds of bloodwork but the neurologist refused to help me. so ive been doing battle with them again to force scans out of them.  though i doubt and also hope its not that.     it started as a result of that process.  so i dont think it will be a brian issue, lets hope not.

 

 

i havent been doing any mindfullness for 8 months,  since it started.

 

16 hours ago, freeform said:

 

It works the connective tissues in a beneficial but low impact way (particularly if you use a rebounder)

 

 

That's a shame - I say keep trying. Have you reached out to the people in their practitioner directory?

 

 

Yes, this (along with other stuff we've talked about) is what I mean by disconnection from your body - not a full-on dissociation/depersonalization - but the 'mind fluid' is not interacting with your physical body correctly.

 

 

 

yeah in that case i absolutely agree,  not grounded,  my proprioception  feeling and knowing my body in space  and  full inhabitation of my body could definatly be lots better.

 

I saw a program by anat baniel  called neuromovements.    She worked and learned directly from  moshe feldenkrais when he was still alive    and has programs  for doing slow physical movements with attention to what your doing and sensing  to get the brain to map the body better and establish better body and muscle controll through neuro plasticity.  she works with disabilitated children and people who have brain damage that kind of thing.  as well as help people move better.   i was thinking of maybe trying that since its just slow physical movements. 

16 hours ago, freeform said:

 

 

16 hours ago, freeform said:

That's a shame - I say keep trying. Have you reached out to the people in their practitioner directory?


they only have about 12 people the directory in total not in my country. some in london some in canada.   im gonna contact the people in the directory now,     longshot but perhaps they have a network themselves and could referr me out to someone in my country,  hadnt tought of that yet.
 

 

16 hours ago, freeform said:

It works the connective tissues in a beneficial but low impact way (particularly if you use a rebounder)


i see,  that might be important then  and usefull to start doing then.   i dont have a trampoline though,  but you say the trampoline adds alot of extra value as opposed to regular carefull jumping? trampoline be easier on the joints knees etc i think and less risk of injury.  it may also help with training better balance and things.
  funds are low,  but im gonna do a quick check what second hand small ones go for.

ive been so trapped into my victim mode of cant do exercise because of the issue - that ive just kinda rolled over and closed off from consideirng any creative possiblities
il see  what a cheap 2nd  hander goes.  thanks for the tip!

 

 

11 hours ago, Master Logray said:

Things happen for a reason and they may be useful, even though they look like something bad now.

lets hope so

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7 hours ago, Takingcharge said:

im gonna contact the people in the directory now,     longshot but perhaps they have a network themselves and could referr me out to someone in my country,  hadnt tought of that yet.

 

Yes - exactly

 

7 hours ago, Takingcharge said:

i dont have a trampoline though,  but you say the trampoline adds alot of extra value as opposed to regular carefull jumping? trampoline be easier on the joints knees etc i think and less risk of injury.  it may also help with training better balance and things.

 

Yeah - as you're missing the springy protection of your connective tissues, the trampoline kind of adds that. But again best to be careful, take it slow... start by gently bouncing on it without your feet leaving the surface.

 

And when I recommended a walk in the park, amongst some trees - that's not to fob you off - it's a serious recommendation and can really help - especially if you make it a regular, daily thing. Walk slowly, keep your mind quiet and let it spread out into the environment - smell the smells, feel the ground, the movement of air, see the leaves undulating in the breeze etc. The majority of us on this board (and into this sort of stuff) are introverts... and it to us it feels right to go inwards to solve issues - but at the moment you need to do the opposite - to let your attention go outwards into the environment.

 

Diet-wise - cod liver oil or fish oil (in liquid form - not capsules) is very helpful for connective tissues... if you can find genuine Norwegian fish oil, then all the better. Also, things like bone broth (and slow-cooked stews made with it) can be very helpful.

 

Good luck and keep us updated :)

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14 hours ago, freeform said:

m gonna contact the people in the directory now,     longshot but perhaps they have a network themselves and could referr me out to someone in my country,  hadnt tought of that yet.

 

quick followup  question,  ive send out all the emails to the people in the register.

 

Ive been trying to look foor classic acupuncture in my country on google,   however they seem to use it interchangibly

 

then ive found some people who speak of a differences between classic acupuncture en tcm,    they mainly seem to speak off using less needles with classic acupuncture.

 

 

but how can i measure the knowledge or skill of these people, maybe i should make a new topic about this. 

i have no idea how to know if they know what they are doing..    what do you recommoned i do in this?

@freeform    and others.
 

the academys the person trained with also trains in  zhineng qigong..  i lack the knowledge to assess their expertise,  wether its authentic acupuncture or just a name.   but its seems pretty studio''ish''  judging from the bio stories. but then thats just my hunch, 


should i just email everybody i can find  and explain my situation? im considering doing it because who knows, never know what comes out of it

the issue im facing however is, judging from the previous acupunturists ive been to - nobody tends to say   hmmm... i may not know what to do with this.   they all just highly confidently tell you things,  that may or may not turn out to not work.     just like the person who told me that sucking in universal energy through my crown would solve my nervous system issue and believed it.


the last acupuncturist whos a great person, but he basicly just pricks according   to the balancing method of dr tan and some other things.

took me a while to figure out  that he really doesnt know what to do.  but he speaks ultra confident and knowledgable.

what are my options here?   

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18 hours ago, freeform said:

Yeah - as you're missing the springy protection of your connective tissues, the trampoline kind of adds that. But again best to be careful, take it slow... start by gently bouncing on it without your feet leaving the surface.

Yeah, do start slow if you try it.  I had similar issues with mind body disconnect and connective tissue disengagement that weren't as pronounced, and when I bounced on a trampoline intensely while trying to relax unnecessary tension I ended up with some joint pain.

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4 hours ago, Creation said:

when I bounced on a trampoline intensely while trying to relax unnecessary tension I ended up with some joint pain.


Thanks for letting us know. 
 

This shows that it’s best to approach with caution!

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@Takingcharge - it’s really hard to work out the quality of an acupuncturist just from what they say.

 

You can quickly discount ones that do all manner of gimmicky things (like sticking electrodes on needles)... or offering other questionable procedures... If they talk about ‘modern’ approaches too... if they’re mostly a chiropractic and do acupuncture on the side etc... If they do ‘muscle testing’, homeopathy etc etc... it shows that they’re not confident in their modality and have not worked to master it.

 

Diagnosis is a big thing - surprising to see how many don’t take full diagnosis from pulse, tongue and lifestyle questions... If they use the little plastic needle insertion guides that’s usually a bad sign.

 

A good sign is if they practice other internal arts - particularly from respected teachers (although respected teachers is a whole other minefield)...

 

You can ask them their experience in treating Qi deviation (you could name a few classical deviations and see if they’ve even heard of them).

 

You could see if they also do Fa Qi - Qi transmission... if they use herbs... what their background and training is... you could ask for references from people they’ve treated with similar issues as yours.

 

It’s all very tricky.

 

Thats why I recommended the college that I did - because I know that at least the quality of the teaching is exceptional - and I’m sure if they come across an ‘interesting’ case such as yours, they’d get advice from their teachers.

 

Its a shame that there are no easy answers here :(

 

And indeed - you may have to travel to guarantee that you see a decent acupuncturist that can help.

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I think im in trouble. This is not a welll edited post

 

i keep  hallucinating when it is time to sleep when i close  my eyes to varying degrees. 

it starts as pictures but then i lose myself in it. So its either a hallucination. Or a semi dream

while not being fully asleep

 

ive been waking up talking to people 


 

the last 2 days the electricity behind my eyes got bad and my eyes roll slightly to the side

and i kept waking up and think im slightly convulsing as well as was fullblown hallucinating with my eyes closed 

 

 

1day ago i called The doctor to say i may be having psychosis red flags.. all they done is referr me to a psychiatrist weeks from now

 

Then today i called that i dont think its psychosis  but that My eyes are rollling to the side,  thst i feel electricity in my head n that im having some kind of convulsions in my sleep

thst wake me up still shaking. And that i had full blown hallucinations

 

the doctor called with the crisis team, and the neurologist. And the neurologist decided this wasnt anything acute and that i have an appointment in 2 weeks

 


 

i havent slept alll night i went to the emergency room whike i waited because i was afraid to fall asleep

 

what do i do with this?????? They refuse to look at me.    And i dont know where to find an acupuncturist either

 

 

 

beyond that the hallucinations have been scary seeing alot of scary faces n things even when its just pictures and i accidently tell them things because i cant controll my toughts 

things like i invite you in. And then i see disturbing things

 

 

im completely sound of mind  when im awake,

 

Now im scared for my health

 

n the fact that im saying all these kind of things to demonic looking creatures. 
what if they really are

spirits? N not hallucinations

 

 

 

 

i dont know what to do

what do you do in a situation like this????

 

 

 

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Hi Takingcharge,

 

Have you followed up on Freeform´s suggestion to take a walk in the park amongst some trees? This strikes me as excellent advice and I would do it everyday.  Nature is so healing.  Of course a single walk in the park isn´t going to be an immediate solution -- I´m not saying that.  You need to get medical care.  It sounds like you´ve tried though and it´s not immediately available.  If you can´t get in to see a doctor, I think being outside in nature for a bit is the most self-caring thing you could do for yourself.  

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@Takingcharge
 

Firstly make sure to keep the appointments you’ve managed to get.

 

Have you had any luck with the acupuncturists from the practitioner section of Xian Tian college? See if you can get a recommendation to any local acupuncturist near you - even if they’re not the ideal. They need to direct Qi back to your Dantien area.

 

Secondly, as @liminal_luke mentioned - get yourself outside and make sure to schedule at least one long walk outdoors in a park or forest every day. If you can manage two long walks then better. Make sure to do this every day - even if you don’t feel like it or if it sounds unlikely to help - even if it’s raining (take an umbrella). Try one at sunrise and one at near sunset before bed.

 

Try to go for bland food for a while - something like plain boiled rice and a variety of steamed veggies and maybe some meat. No spice, minimal fat/oil and salt, no added flavours. Avoid coffee and sugar. Have warm water with a squeeze of lime or lemon throughout the day.

 

Before going to bed have a warm shower and as the water washes over you have the intention that it’s washing away any excess electricity any excess energy, emotion and stimulation. The intention matters as much as the actual shower. Think of this time as washing away any feelings of anxiety or emotionality.
 

For two hours before bed avoid emotional stimulation - no tv, no internet (no screen time) - maybe do some reading (nothing emotionally taxing - something dry and unconnected to this issue) and of course take that long walk.
 

Don’t worry about convulsions in your sleep - this is a common side effect from the movement of Qi - it’s not anything too serious and nothing to be frightened about.

 

As horrible as it feels now, this will pass - and at some point you’ll look back at it and maybe even crack a smile at how ridiculous it all was.

 

Wishing you the best!

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8 minutes ago, freeform said:

@Takingcharge
 

Firstly make sure to keep the appointments you’ve managed to get.

 

Have you had any luck with the acupuncturists from the practitioner section of Xian Tian college? See if you can get a recommendation to any local acupuncturist near you - even if they’re not the ideal. They need to direct Qi back to your Dantien area.

 

Secondly, as @liminal_luke mentioned - get yourself outside and make sure to schedule at least one long walk outdoors in a park or forest every day. If you can manage two long walks then better. Make sure to do this every day - even if you don’t feel like it or if it sounds unlikely to help - even if it’s raining (take an umbrella). Try one at sunrise and one at near sunset before bed.

 

Try to go for bland food for a while - something like plain boiled rice and a variety of steamed veggies and maybe some meat. No spice, minimal fat/oil and salt, no added flavours. Avoid coffee and sugar. Have warm water with a squeeze of lime or lemon throughout the day.

 

Before going to bed have a warm shower and as the water washes over you have the intention that it’s washing away any excess electricity any excess energy, emotion and stimulation. The intention matters as much as the actual shower. Think of this time as washing away any feelings of anxiety or emotionality.
 

For two hours before bed avoid emotional stimulation - no tv, no internet (no screen time) - maybe do some reading (nothing emotionally taxing - something dry and unconnected to this issue) and of course take that long walk.
 

Don’t worry about convulsions in your sleep - this is a common side effect from the movement of Qi - it’s not anything too serious and nothing to be frightened about.

 

As horrible as it feels now, this will pass - and at some point you’ll look back at it and maybe even crack a smile at how ridiculous it all was.

 

Wishing you the best!


 

 


 

 

theres 3 things going on,

1.)-im worried about my health, the Fact that i have my eyes rolling inwards n hallucinating,     Thats just a redflag no matter how you put it

That i may be convulsing or turn into psychosis
 

 

2.)-then i have the added fear the hallucinations might be spirits, n i keep thinking these things like inviting them in

etc Whitch just happens

n then i see things happening as a resukt of having said thst
i have no way to protect myself

 

 

3.)the hallucination state feels simmilar to the state i normally woukd do self hypnosis in 
like a powerfull deep trance state before i lose controll of it

i keep saying unwanted bad selg suggestions n proclomations

what if that all goes in, that its an unprotected state n im causing damage

 

4.) then theres the whole swedenborg thing nungali was telling me aboutt

whst if im creating these unhealthy parts through

 

 

@freeform


 

 

il try the things you suggested .

ive emailed every single xian tian colleger they asked damo as well as their own network

they couldnt hekp amd apologised.

 

 

 

and im gonna find a mantra to repeat as im entering the visualisations

maybe itl help me at least feel a sense of


 

Ive built up some fear to the visualisations thinkinh they may be spirits or what nungali told me about

 

maybe i can use a mantra to at least feel a sense of certainty - inst of fear

 

 

thanks for your suggestions

 

im actuslly completely clear headed

only when i lie down n my innerworld turns to live.. it gets...

 

 

ok thanks

 

 

 

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Are there any specific Acupuncture points i should menTion?  

 

im gonna reach out to random practitioners now See what they can do theb

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Would you say its a good idea to engage with the imagery?

to ask what it wants 

why its here or tell it to leave?

 

or say try as much as you csn to stay out if it? And ignore it if you can

 

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1 minute ago, Takingcharge said:

Are there any specific Acupuncture points i should menTion?  

 

im gonna reach out to random practitioners now See what they can do theb

 

Just tell them the situation. It's impossible to prescribe something as delicate as that over the internet - they'll need to use their own approach to see how it would be suitable to return things down to your dantien.

 

I completely get that the situation totally warrants fear and panic - but find a way to remain calm - don't think about this stuff, don't try to analyse it or work out solutions to it (leave the details to professionals) - in fact, get your mind away from it as much as possible.

 

I get the well-intentioned advice with all the banishing ritual stuff - but this is not what you need right now - not at all.

 

You need to get your focus away from the subject, away from the sensations, away from the analysis and onto something outside yourself. And the best way to do that is going for a walk in nature and appreciating the beauty of it - engaging your senses with it as much as possible - for as long as possible and regularly every day.

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I know sometimes you need to understand the reason behind a recommendation to get really motivated to follow it... So maybe this will help.

 

Whatever is happening internally for you is fed by your attention... if your attention is on your sensations, hallucinations, or even if it's on trains of thought on how to understand or handle the situation, then that simply adds fuel to the fire.

 

What we want is to get your attention away from the whole thing altogether. I get that this seems like sweeping things under the carpet - but it's not. We want to remove the fuel from whatever is happening for you. With less fuel, it will slowly subside - just as any fire without wood will self extinguish. Only then will you have a clear enough system to approach fixing the underlying issues.

 

Going out into nature accomplishes this exceptionally well - particularly if you engage your senses - smell the smell of the forest floor, feel your footsteps on the soft grass, or the texture of tree bark on your hand... you can even engage your mind in this - see if you can recognise and name what tree species you see...

 

That's one part of it.

 

The other aspect is that nature - and particularly trees - have a sort of energetic resonance - and simply by spending time amongst them, your body will naturally start to attune to this resonance - like two tuning forks attuning to the same frequency. This frequency is a direct antidote to what's going on for you.

 

This is why I'm suggesting you take several long walks in nature daily. It works on several levels and will be far more effective than anything else at the moment.

 

Hope that helps

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