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On 16/04/2019 at 8:45 AM, GSmaster said:

There are no quick ways.

Out of 10.000 people with 10+ years of practice in qigong / neigong /meditation, only 1-2 are truly capable of seeing energy and spirits.

Technically, if you want an ability that vivid as you describe it, you would already have to be a saint, who would live in mountains, eat prana and walk in air.

 

Having an ability to see Qi is like having a lamborghini, get yourself some bicycle first.

Try to develop energy sensitivity to a level when you can walk eyes closed in the forest and not get hit.

 

 

Hey .... I'm walking in air !   and I live in mountains ...   2/3 of the way to a saint !  :) 

 

 

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It sure beats what I was doing before !

 

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14 hours ago, J Warg said:

Hello guys, first of all, thank you all for your formative posts, I’m enjoying them and pondering on them very carefully.

 

So meditation is the foundation and the key.

 

Some of you talk about living in solitude but that’s not an option for me, nor is fleeing to the wilderness and living in a cave. I’m a layman with social responsibilities and I have nowhere to live but in a city. Are we seekers living in cities doomed?

 

Nope .

A cave isn't necessary. Nor do you have to 'flee' .   Dont you get holidays in your country, or time off ?   Anyway,   I have found that cities have a lot less wildlife as well .  Some cities have 'green belt' or big parks .   I'm sure there are lots of different kinds of energies in cities, but most of them seem to be generated by the people that live there.

 

Regarding 'elementals' - one can start with experiencing the elemental energies physically ; dive in the ocean , or 'play' with any water ...  go stand in the wind or up on a high place,   make a campfire, or observe a conflagration ( ummm .... try not to make one )  , etc .  observe (or meditate on, if you prefer) their qualities, their strengths, weaknesses and interplay .

 

 

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I understand the necessity of a spiritual master but if finding a real master in the world is difficult (as @GSmaster put it) imagine how hard is to find a half decent teacher in the city or even in the country one lives in. So the sources most of us can rely on are only books or on-line media like this forum.

 

Yeah .   When things really started moving I had to go to the city to find good 'teachers' , as far as 'spiritual stuff' goes.

 

But then, after a life time of doing martial arts, mostly in cities I find the teacher that I always needed, that was perfect for me ( then)  in my own little local country town .

 

There  is  also the 'pathway'  thing ... 'energies' travel along them, also they can intersect , they are 'busier' places.    Sometimes they cross cities.  Its not a good idea to interfere with them though .

 

 

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The Ófeigskirkja – a ‘hidden people church’ – at Gálgahraun, which

held up construction of a new road to the town of Álftanes,  Iceland .

 

 

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On 16/4/2019 at 7:33 PM, Starjumper said:

 It's like a bunch of idiots directing energy to the wrong places in their bodies for the wrong reasons because they read about it in some book written by a fundamentalist moron who is clueless as to the real purpose and origins of what they are doing.  It creates energy patterns and channels in the body which are not only useless and bad for health but it absolutely prevents true cultivation of the kind needed to cultivate chi power or abilities.

 

Hello Steve,

 

Yes, I have found these exercises where one is asked to visualize or try to feel energy running through these nadis or qi-channels, chakras, dan-tiens, etc you talk about in many books and articles on Kriya Yoga, QiGong … Are these techniques really that harmful? 

 

When one is suppose “to feel” the lower or the upper dantien, the third eye… Is that dangerous also?

 

BTW the link in your signature has been hacked?

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1 hour ago, J Warg said:

 

Hello Steve,

 

Yes, I have found these exercises where one is asked to visualize or try to feel energy running through these nadis or qi-channels, chakras, dan-tiens, etc you talk about in many books and articles on Kriya Yoga, QiGong … Are these techniques really that harmful?

 

It depends on a lot of details.  I'm seeing a 300 pound office worker full of toxic flab who never exercises and spends all day at a computer desk who then goes home and sits around and just does the MCO, that's about as bad as it can get.  On the other hand you have people in great condition who practice a lot of kung fu and chi kung.  When they get back from slaving away in the garden for ten hours under the blazing sun it's best if they just sit and visualize the movements.  There's one energy system called New Energy Ways, where you visualize and feel energy in every single bone and joint in your body, in fact in my chi kung we did something similar while just lying around waiting to go to sleep.  There's nothing wrong with that because it covers all the bases. One of the problems with visualizing energy in certain places is the person might be just imagining it and actually missing those places = even worse problems (which is why feeling is so important).  Even if a person 'visualizes' correctly they will generate certain pathways like water that wears a grove in a rock and then can't get out of the grove.  That's just about the most horrible thing a person can do to themselves if they want to embark on the path of chi power.  My teacher put it like this:  "It's like teaching a dog to stay and then when you want it to come to your aid it won't come because it's staying."  Is that colossally dumb or what?

 

But most of all, more than anything, the biggest deal with it, and the biggest problem I have with it ... is that it's just about the wimpiest damn thing I can imagine in the whole world - Circle Jerking.   It won't generate a single ounce more chi or vitality.  You can do waaay better with moving exercises and then some quiet sitting while holding the ball.

 

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When one is suppose “to feel” the lower or the upper dantien, the third eye… Is that dangerous also?

 

Feeling is never dangerous, the only problem that could arise from feeling is if attention is directed to one place too much and it's the 'wrong' place.  The reason is that were you place your attention the energy goes there, therefore it is better to run your attention over your whole body with holistic movements like tai chi or a good moving chi kung.

 

Edit:  The only place where it is generally deemed safe for a person to place 'too much' attention is on their belly,  I think there can't be too much in that spot.

 

 

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BTW the link in your signature has been hacked?

 

Is that why it says "not secure" now?  I'll tell the owner and remove the 'payment' part on the site, thanks.  The site itself seems to still be working

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1 hour ago, Starjumper said:

Is that why it says "not secure" now?  I'll tell the owner and remove the 'payment' part on the site, thanks.  The site itself seems to still be working

The site has been hacked it needs to be taken down and the host needs to likely upgrade / update PHP.

 

Then re-upload the site.  If it appears to be working for you then it is likely you are seeing cached pages what I am seeing is most certainly not your site.

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Yeah .... if thats your site ...  your farm /   property is looking a little different than the last picture you posted !   ;

 

 

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I think you are looking at tienshan.net   - that is my old expired site.  The new site is taohermitage.com.

 

Where are you seeing that old link?  My age has the new one.

 

I had the server owner check it and he said it was good.

 

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I found the problem.  For some reason the 'view signatures' button was turned off so I wasn't seeing my own signature and didn't know it was outdated.

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5 hours ago, Starjumper said:

I think you are looking at tienshan.net   - that is my old expired site.  The new site is taohermitage.com.

 

Where are you seeing that old link?  My age has the new one.

 

:huh:

 

I just clicked on what was at the bottom the last post of yours before I made that post, a few hours ago.  But now all your posts show this at the bottom

 

Steve Gray

 

which isnt 'clickable'  .

 

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I had the server owner check it and he said it was good.

 

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I found the problem.  For some reason the 'view signatures' button was turned off so I wasn't seeing my own signature and didn't know it was outdated.

 

All these new fangled buttons is confusing me   :angry:     
 

 

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I have ordered some new light switches for the cabin  ;

 

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(  'Bakelite'  )

 

 

....   that'll show  'em ! 

 

 

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12 hours ago, J Warg said:

Yes, I have found these exercises where one is asked to visualize

 

The great con :)

 

You see the internal arts work very differently. It’s a little complicated. The idea is to set up certain conditions in your body and mind, so that the Qi flows of its own accord in the necessary ways.

 

This takes a lot of practice time and effort, but once it’s done you will sense the energy moving - it’s very physical and obvious - not subtle and semi imagined.

 

The great con is that - since it’s complicated and hard work to create these conditions. Why not instead imagine the effect that arises as a result of these conditions being in place!? Great marketing idea. Brilliant shortcut. But completely misses (or bypasses) the point of the art form. And has little effect... and is often dangerous if done a lot.

 

The other thing to look out for. Modern internal arts. Things like Clairevision, Wim Hoff method etc.

 

They’ve tapped into something genuine, but separated parts out and manipulated them out of context to get some effect they desire.

 

But they don’t understand the consequences of this manipulation - so the long term results will be useless at best and very dangerous at worst.

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3 hours ago, freeform said:

Why not instead imagine the effect that arises as a result of these conditions being in place!

 

Yeah, I have met so many delusional idiots who thought they / their practice is worth something, instead of actually being worthy.

 

Thoughts in the poor hands become the weapon of selfdestruction and selfhumiliation.

 

Though this is not absolute and visualization as is thinking can be used by masters for various purposes.

 

But for beginners it is a trap as is contacting ghosts / gods, the only thing can be attained through such practice is becoming a laughing stock for all of us.

 

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12 hours ago, Nungali said:

Yeah .... if thats your site ...  your farm /   property is looking a little different than the last picture you posted !   ;

 

 

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:o

 

 

Steve must have seriously advanced, building energy reactors to fuel limitless tan tiens and enough space to host 100.000 students

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15 hours ago, Starjumper said:

There's one energy system called New Energy Ways, where you visualize and feel energy in every single bone and joint in your body, in fact in my chi kung we did something similar while just lying around waiting to go to sleep.  There's nothing wrong with that because it covers all the bases. 

 

Hi Steve,

 

Do you mean Robert Bruce's N.E.W?

 

 

15 hours ago, Starjumper said:

You can do waaay better with moving exercises and then some quiet sitting while holding the ball.

 

 

Will some Spring Forest Qigong (or any other non-fighting qigong) do it?

 

 

15 hours ago, Starjumper said:

Edit:  The only place where it is generally deemed safe for a person to place 'too much' attention is on their belly,  I think there can't be too much in that spot.

 

 

Anywhere in the belly? I mean: Some teachers talk about the area behind the navel; other says 2 inches beneath the navel... Does it really make any different?

 

 

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1 minute ago, GSmaster said:

Yeah, I have met so many delusional idiots who thought they / their practice is worth something

 

I don’t think that’s fair to be honest. I think most people are sincere and genuinely seeking authentic practices.

 

They enter the ‘spiritual marketplace’ in good faith but get conned in the process. It’s only natural to defend practices that you’ve invested time, effort and money into. 

 

The thing to note is that us modern people are not somehow smarter and wiser, we can’t ‘improve and simplify’ spiritual processes that have already gone through thousands of years of very sophisticated refinement by the very greatest, most advanced minds of the world.

 

The authentic lineages all trace their lines to an (at least) enlightened being who helped create the path for others. And often more than one enlightened being... Sometimes even an immortal.

 

If they say that it takes 3 years of 4hrs of daily practice to fully open your microcosmic orbit, it’s best to listen to that. If they say that to only move on to certain meditative practices when you can sit in perfect posture with no movement (of body or mind) then they must’ve had that condition for a very good reason.

 

The ones who I do find deplorable are the teachers who know these things, but decide to water them down and to change the teachings to reflect their own (or ‘the market’s’) preferences just to make more money.

 

Yes its true that these practices are extremely difficult and not possible for most people. The answer to that is not to make it ‘simpler’ so that it’s accessible to more people - just as it’s not a good idea to make a medical degree simpler and easily accomplished in a couple of weekend seminars.

 

There are approaches that don’t need to go so far of course. Qi Gong for health and well-being for example is great and helpful for most people. The spiritual cultivation path is not. They are not the same thing.

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2 hours ago, J Warg said:

 

Anywhere in the belly? I mean: Some teachers talk about the area behind the navel; other says 2 inches beneath the navel... Does it really make any different?

If you practice a system that use both, you use them for different purposes. 

If not,... 

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4 hours ago, J Warg said:

Do you mean Robert Bruce's N.E.W?

 

Yes, that is the one, but who the patience or the time for that kind of thing?  Not me.  I mentioned I do something similar but it's also quite different than Robert's method.  The main point is it's ok to focus on parts of your body (we do it randomly) and have the energy go there and then feel it.  Like for example if your throat hurts that makes you focus on it, which makes the energy go there.  That's natural and perfectly fine.  You could focus on your elbow and have the energy go there, or you can focus on your hand and have the energy go there, those are ok, BUT if you use your mind to create a flow from your elbow to your hand or your hand to your elbow that is useless, arbitrary, and unnatural.  It's worse if you combine it with specific breathing patterns because it creates bad energy habits that a person may regret later if they learn enough to regret it, and it's even worse if you do it in your torso.  For example, the energy in the MCO, which is kind of a superficial joke in itself, is really supposed to go both ways and it should be exercise both ways, with movement.  It's just that the Circle Jerker direction is done after the other direction, like I said, with movement.

 

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Will some Spring Forest Qigong (or any other non-fighting qigong) do it?

 

I think Spring Forest is pretty good but I don't know that much about it.  I've seen a little of it and it looks like some pieces of beginner style Tien Shan Chi Kung that have been watered down to make it easier, so that's good, can't hurt you or limit future progress.

 

There are so many different kinds of chi kung that have been separated out of the original whole systems that they offer different benefits.  Some are nothing but stretching, some are nothing but calisthenics.  Some are mostly energy work but have very little strengthening and stretching, like Fragrant chi kung; and others use added martial arts moves that combine all three, strengthening, stretching, and energy work, which is good, but they seem to always do it in a haphazard and random manner which indicates they are kind of clueless as far as energy processes or goals are concerned, like FP chi kung.  Except for healing.  Waving your arms around in a random manner is good for energy balancing if you cover all the bases whether it is martial or not. The ones that are more martial are usually less aware of or focussed on energy processes than the non martial ones like the Shaolin ones linked below.

 

There are all kinds of excellent chi kung out there, and as long as they include moving with relaxation they can't hurt you.  

 

Here's a simple way to look at it:  Any system of chi kung which goes against the rules for Fragrant chi kung is wrong so don't do it.

 

I've seen a few of this guy's videos and they have the Starjumper seal of approval as real good all around chi kung that will give people a good foundation:  https://www.youtube.com/user/ShaolinTempleEU/videos

 

Wild Goose chi kung is good.

 

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Anywhere in the belly? I mean: Some teachers talk about the area behind the navel; other says 2 inches beneath the navel... Does it really make any different?

 

The whole area from the navel to the pubic bone and from the front to the back.  People who say it's in this itsy bitsy place rather than that other ittsy bitsy place are suckers who heard something said by some freeking armature who liked to make things up in order to appear more educated and fare holders of special secret knowledge.  I KNOW that because I'm guilty of doing it myself - a couple of times - when I was an amateur - but then luckily my sense of ethics kicked in

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The whole area from the navel to the pubic bone and from the front to the back.  

 

See, it's a never ending thicket of details.  There are points such as acupuncture points which are points.  Pointy ... weird word that.  But when my belly got hot it was the whole area I mentioned, so in fact it's none of my business what people want to call what.

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7 hours ago, Starjumper said:

 

It is now clickable

 

... Ahhhhh ... that's better  :) 

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