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The Advantage of Evil

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1 hour ago, thelerner said:

I like your definition, nonetheless, We used to have a thread called something like Destroy A Wish, where someone made a wish for something and another said, Wish granted but.. some awful but logical thing happened because of it.

So in that vein, hitting a child in order to stop them from causing a catastrophe is good, ie hitting them on arm to stop them from firing a gun.  If resources were very slim, its better to enslave a person and be kind to them, then let them and there children starve. 

 

At times some Evil may be is necessary.  Evil gets things done quickly while good and justice are beginning a long debate.  Sadly when times are hard and resources few, evil flourishes and tends to take the lead.  If evil make the hard unpopular decisions, then steps down afterwards, maybe that's not so bad.  In that good intentions can wreak havoc with there unintended consequences.

 

maybe my 50% Nihilism score on the personality test was fairly accurate. 

 

I think we are confusing "evil" with "ruthless", as in "Heaven and earth are ruthless, and treat the myriad creatures as straw dogs;
the sage is ruthless, and treats the people as straw dogs." (Ch. 5 DDJ). A ruthless person sees the path to the greatest good and takes it even if the path appears muddied. His actions yield the greatest good even though people don't understand and may call him evil. Such is the path of the sage. By comparison, true "evil" doesn't care about the greatest good. It cares only for itself. Thus a sage and a demon may (at times) behave the same, but the sage is always serving good whereas the same cannot be said of the demon.

 

 

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21 hours ago, Lost in Translation said:

 

Label or not, Satan (and others of similar function) is  (are) the embodiment of evil. If you try to connect to the embodiment of evil on an energy level it will not be empty. What it will be and how it will affect you can be debated, but something is definitely there.

 

I strongly advise people to not dismiss evil like this. It is real. Label or not it has an underlying will. To blind oneself to evil by making it out to be just a label is dangerous in the same way that crossing the street without looking both ways is dangerous.

 

Several of us have connected. There was nothing there in terms of Light level issues.   Satan is not real would be my point.   Lucifer is a different story :)

 

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1 hour ago, dawei said:

 

Several of us have connected. There was nothing there in terms of Light level issues.   Satan is not real would be my point.   Lucifer is a different story :)

 

I see evil as real and generally quite bad.  Often its done in terms of selfishness, greed, ignorance, tribalism and shortsightedness.   In some cases people are psychopaths and twisted, enjoying the pain of others.   It's not just Them, to varying degrees such things are in all of us.   I think the above also explains the oft sad state of the world pretty well. 

 

Not only do I not see a need to bring supernatural beings into the equation, I think its bad because it shifts responsibility away from the real players and causes. 

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perhaps the worthy adversaries good and evil are myths? the two concepts are woven into the tapestry of imagination that date back to Ancient times. does one hold an advantage over the other, interesting question.

Egyptian good god Osiris and his evil brother Set play a drama of betrayal, death, & resurrection.

Babylonian Ishtar dispenses good and evil. The hero king Gilgamesh that she loves rejects her while he portrays the human state of helplessness.

Persian duality has the god of Light ashura mazda (zoom zoom) and his evil brother angra mainyu.

Hebrew/Christain/Islam have a good god and devil duality.

Armenian demonic and beneficial spirits converted to christianity.

Greek well, zeus had his rivals.

Nordic/Finnish has a Trickster who acts and prevails without conscience while the devils hiisi and louhi fight and lose to the heroes.

Slavic duality of good and evil also has that dracula dude.

Siberian devils erlik, schulman, and satan are always trying to destroy humans. not sure if that is good or evil, hm oh well

Hindu always confuses me lol

Buddhist has an evil one that tempts Buddha, yes?

Chinese has duality expressed as yin yang not as good and evil

Japanese i think has light and chaos

Native North American also has a trickster who knows neither good nor evil

Aztec/Mayan/Inca the conflict is between life and death

Voodoo does have two prominent cults one is demonic and the other beneficial

 

 

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5 minutes ago, zerostao said:

perhaps the worthy adversaries good and evil are myths? the two concepts are woven into the tapestry of imagination that date back to Ancient times. does one hold an advantage over the other, interesting question.

 

Perhaps there is a truth behind the myriad myths?

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1 minute ago, Lost in Translation said:

 

Perhaps there is a truth behind the myriad myths?

imo there are always truths behind the myriad myths

i may delve deeper to consider why the Hindu, Nordic/Finnish, and Native North America appear to diverge from the others.

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Life to be alive has to be generative, to outrun decay.
Yuan is the new life being born, and that is the good.
It happens on many planes simultaneously and interlockingly.
There are those who use their intelligence to lead others astray, to destroy Yuan.
But even that is Yuan at some level, it represents creativity.
But growth of understanding is the ultimate value.
In some places it indicates that there are two mirror universes, one moving towards the Good pole, another moving towards the Evil pole, and this is required for growth.
But they are separate, those in the Good plane who wish to do Evil will just suffer.
Ultimately there may well be a designer playing out a vast game, but as we only live according to the rules, if we wish to continue living we must play by the rules.
And the controller himself (The Creator) may well be himself in somebody else's game at a higher level.

There are many higher wisdoms that can be learnt, about almost any discipline, but for you to learn you must learn how to use your free will because otherwise you are locked in the conventional mind .... it can be learnt step by step, through doing it.
Many evil people are trying to do something like that.
It is also very possible for the large system that is a human to become corrupt in various places, to live in bad faith, and to go beyond repair, after which time there is only terrible suffering.
It is good if the different parts of a human being are at roughly the same level of development.
Talk of morality and good and evil are at quite a low level of consciousness where one follows rules, because one does not feel life directly.

I have heard that humans beings are suffering terribly, much more than is realised, but they are blessed to not understand it.

To be a human and really try to cross that river, is to be very courageous.

There have been Men who have been very courageous indeed, beyond understanding, they had hope.

They had ... something.

"I've seen things, you people wouldn't believe."

 

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@rideforever i do like your use of "bad faith" it is a term i became fond of reading some of the existentialists particularly sartre. rousseau's bad faith is a horse of another color. although both versions can easily be traced to montaigne.

jrr tolkein's The Hobbit & LOTR agree with rousseau's concept good and bad faith. I have touched upon the theme in my anarchy threads, I still have not made the public leap that society/civilization acts in "bad faith" which would be essentially "evil" even if the evidence does suggest just that.

apolgies to @Lost in Translation for my abstraction. B) however, it is my nature to do so.

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What will you think of, as you lay dying, and surely it will come to pass.
Mankind has been on a long gruelling incredible journey.
That is your bones, and your blood.
Today, in our plastic society it is difficult to see the enemy, the struggle, but it is there.
Think of those before you, who struggled in the biting cold, who danced under the same Moon, who thought of you, as you think of them.
So ... let's go then.
Once more unto the breach.

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5 minutes ago, rideforever said:

What will you think of, as you lay dying, and surely it will come to pass.
Mankind has been on a long gruelling incredible journey.
That is your bones, and your blood.
Today, in our plastic society it is difficult to see the enemy, the struggle, but it is there.
Think of those before you, who struggled in the biting cold, who danced under the same Moon, who thought of you, as you think of them.
So ... let's go then.
Once more unto the breach.

that is the philosophical question isn't it? philosophy is about preparing to die. in the meanwhile we live and learn.

my Taoist experiences opened my mind to the energetics beyond blood and bone. for anything to be higher Spiritual it must translate into the physical realm too. connections transcend the physical and mental states to the Spiritual.

 

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22 minutes ago, zerostao said:

philosophy is about preparing to die. in the meanwhile we live and learn.

 

This is the essence of it, but not everyone lives and learns. Some live in fear, which manifests as denial, or anger, or nihilism, or fanaticism - and all are really just means to alleviate the fear of the unknown. Evil captures that fear and twists it to its own end. Evil is the little voice that whispers ever so softly, planting hurtful ideas in the minds of men.

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