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On 7/11/2018 at 1:48 AM, virtue said:

 

I forgot address this earlier.

 

The demonstration speed is for the sake of learning. If he moved slower, it would be bad for establishing muscle memory. Maybe I recall this wrong, but Sifu Terry has also stated that the FP energy can move advanced practitioners a bit faster and still impart same effects.

 

If you had reached a very high level in any internal art, then you would certainly experience that bliss ceases intoxicating you after enough karmic purity is reached. Therefore a master wouldn't react to bliss like a beginner would.

 

 

A.  If you had reached a very high level in any internal art, then you would certainly experience that bliss ceases intoxicating you after enough karmic purity is reached.

 

ABSOLUTELY CORRECT.

 

Thank you, Virtue, for citing and punctuating this universal truth about every yogic/spiritual tradition created by humans:  bliss and rapture are experienced in the "lower jhanas" or levels of concentration/absorption/one-pointedness--which the Buddha defined and described in the Visuddhimagga (His map of higher states of consciousness--best translated for the West by Daniel Goleman) as the four "material jhanas".  If one is to progress beyond the  lower four material jhanas to the higher FORMLESS jhanas, one MUST become so PURIFIED such that bliss and rapture are known, felt, and regarded as obstacles, impediments, and GROSS DISTRACTIONS to deeper absorption/Higher Consciousness.  If bliss and rapture are not dispensed with, then the subject will never attain the Fourth Jhana.  NEVER.

 

And as many have undoubedly noticed on the FPCK thread starting around page 190 (early July 2018), that thread was recently invaded and polluted (as it has in the past) by trollers trying to insidiously divert FPCK subscribers to scam-sites such as "ausar.org" and "ironpalm.com", which sell illegally obtained videos of 6th-generation Grandmaster Doo Wai of the Bok Fu Pai tradition demonstrating some advanced BFP practices.  So blatant is the trolling and so phony, deceptive, and potentially grand-larcenous are these websites, ausar.org and also "ironpalm.com" that ALL the moderators of Daobums are vigilant to instantly ban any account that they determine through (their sophisticated IP analyses) to have any overlap with these 2 scam-sites.  One particular scam-site, ausar.org, btw, fatuously conflates and merges GM Doo Wai's Bok Fu Pai energy arts with the also stolen name, "Kriya Yoga", which is the sacred Yoga  of the great Yogi, Parahamsa Yogananda.  That GM Doo Wai could have taught  any person in the Kriya Yoga/Yogananda tradition--other than Swami Yogananda himself when he was alive--and commissioned or instructed such a non-existent person to "enlighten" the world with Bok Fu Pai energy arts is and impossibility, absolute bunkum, obvious horseshit, and should be a huge red flag for any person with basic  knowledge of yogic traditions and a modicum of common sense.  Both "ausar" and what the moderators call "sock-puppets" (avatars donned by these scammers and fraudsters) have been banned from Daobums.  All this is to say that this particular  con-artist, "ausar", and all like him, promise "bliss and enlightenment" through purchase of their $10,000+ -priced stolen videos of GM Doo Wai (see Youtube condemnation and disavowal), and a few inexperienced naive and gullible beginners in meditation have actually fallen for this ridiculous con and been fleeced of big money (multiple thousands)...when they should have known fundamentally that:   bliss and rapture ARE NOT THE ENDS of meditation and spiritual practice, when Bliss and Enlightenment are absolutely INCOMPATIBLE with one another because bliss is only an OBSTACLE TO ENLIGHTENMENT.  Grok this basic fact of yogic cultivation, and one will not fall victim to scams such as those foisted by "ausar.org" and "ironpalm.com"

 

•••> This Youtube video posted by Grandmaster Doo Wai in 2007, explains in most clear and vehement terms that the videos showing him demonstrating advanced Bok Fu Pai meditations were STOLEN from him by an outlaw student, whom he condemns and disavows, and thus such practices were never meant to be released nor authorized for public consumption. 

Therefore, buyer beware!

                                       

       

 

Back to your very thoughtful and relevant point, Virtue:

And as I've stated on several occasions on the FPCK thread when the posted question warranted this answer:  FP Qigong is a supremely powerful meditative vehicle that streaks one through the first two jhanas and if one practices correctly and is free of perverse views about oneself, can bring one straight to the threshold of the third jhana--of which there are of eight, according to the Buddha.  FP Qigong and Sunn Yi Gong practice can provide almost instant  "access to concentration."   "Access", depending on one's intelligence level--and  ability to concentrate and focus the mind--and depending only upon that, is what some meditators spend years trying to attain and never attain.  "Access", the first gateway to the 8 Jhanic absorptions are not even entered upon my millions of meditators if they are not practicing correctly. 

 

B.  The demonstration speed is for the sake of learning. If he moved slower, it would be bad for establishing muscle memory. Maybe I recall this wrong, but Sifu Terry has also stated that the FP energy can move advanced practitioners a bit faster and still impart same effects.

 

Thank you, Virtue, for pointing out what should be obvious point on many levels. 

(1)  My instructional videos teaching Flying Phoenix Qigong, which first made in 1994, are programmed at a speed where any beginner can follow easily.  If I did it at actual training speed (of which all my students practice at, btw, as seen in the videos on page 174 of the FPCK thread--even beginners) it would take 50 minutes to go through the capstone meditation of the FP system called "Flying Phoenix Heavenly Healing Chi Meditation".  Not only would such a demonstration make for a bad video product, but  beginner/novice would ever watch 50 minutes of "Movement at the speed of a shifting sand dune" let alone have the neuro-muscularl coordination to practice at that speed.

(2)  My demonstration of advanced FP QIGONG  meditaitons at the "speed of a shifting sand dune" is reserved only for my in-person students-- and then only to initiate and advance to further levels.  To demand or expect that I put such practice on any publicly available product or medium is either an naive and unrealistic expectation based ignorance of how Qigong is properly taught by any master, on or else is the  most impudent and disrespectful of demands that is  based on an extremely supercilious sense of entitlement and false pride about one's yogic level.

(3)  *If one has read the FPCK thead over the past 2 years, one will see that numerous FP Qigong practitioners throughout the world--including my in-class students in Los Angles since 1996) are posting reports of their practice of the Vol.4 Capstone Meditaiton  ("Flying Phoenix Heavenly Healing Chi Meditation") at proper slow speeds upwards of 40 minutes (ridingtheox is one such pracitioner that comes to mind).

(4)  Finally, to believe that I personally do not have complete mastery of the FP Qigong system because I haven't posted my highest level demonstration of this art on videos available to the public, while ignoring the 9 years of my answering every question posted on the FPCK thread about FP training--now with more than 700,000+ views and some 4,600 postings, and still continuing--indicates an extremely low and limited level of cognition in anyone who believes that.

 

The aeons-old tradition in the Chinese martial arts is to:  NEVER SHOW TOO PLAINLY.  But I have shown the "Flying Phoenix Heavenly Healing Chi Meditation" System more clearly and plainly and in its entirety--and was able to do so because it is PURELY A HEALING QIGONG.  IT'S ENERGY CANNOT BE USED FOR MARTIAL OR DESTRUCTIVE PURPOSES.  And for those who view it as merely a beginning level practice, just to to let them know and to let the world know what's what and what does what, I will in the near future post a 1992 video of Grandmaster Doo Wai clearly stating on camera that just ONE of the Flying Phoenix Qigong Meditations--let alone the entire FPCK System (that I was about to put onto videos back then)-- is enough to empower one to bring back to life small dead creatures.  This means, for those who can't put 2 and 2 together to make 4, that one FP Qigong exercise--if practiced properly-- just one FP Meditation--is enough to bring back a human being from the brink of death.

 

BUT THE FACT IS THAT ONE CAN NEVER ATTAIN SUCH YOGIC EMPOWERMENT JUST FROM PRACTICING FROM A STOLEN DVD--OR FROM 30 DVD's.   And any person that believes that spiritual growth and enlightenment can be gotten from just paying money for a media product, and practicing to that product, is grossly misinformed and frightfully deluded.  The final transmission completing any student's apprenticeship of a Chinese internal energy art with a Master is always done in person.  For the truth is transmitted MIND TO MIND, without any words, sometimes with a symbol...but never in writing or the absurdity of a moving picture. 

 

"The wrong person with right information (the true art)

Will still come to no good end.

But the the right person with even the wrong (incomplete) art

Will succeed and make it work for him."

 

 

Sifu Terence Dunn

 

www.taichimania.com/chikung_catalog.html

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On 7/14/2018 at 7:19 PM, DSCB57 said:

Whether or not another member or members chooses to come forward as requested, I now request a public apology from Virtue for having attempted to sully my reputation, and accuse me of being disrespectful toward GM Doo Wai.

I apologize for trolling you a little. This was poor conduct unbecoming of me.

 

There certainly was no real ill-intent or aiming to sully your reputation or pseudonym, but it seems you took it very hard on yourself. I am sorry if you felt bullied.

 

There is much that could be said about respect and disrespect around GM Doo Wai and his teachings. I can only look into my own involvement and apologize for being involved with a judgemental attitude and thus fueling the fires of confusion.

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On 9/6/2019 at 10:55 AM, virtue said:

I apologize for trolling you a little. This was poor conduct unbecoming of me.

 

There certainly was no real ill-intent or aiming to sully your reputation or pseudonym, but it seems you took it very hard on yourself. I am sorry if you felt bullied.

 

There is much that could be said about respect and disrespect around GM Doo Wai and his teachings. I can only look into my own involvement and apologize for being involved with a judgemental attitude and thus fueling the fires of confusion.

 

A little late, but apology accepted Virtue. I am also big enough to freely admit that I was mistaken in trying to defend Ausar, although I don't regret having done so, because I don't believe that anyone deserves to be treated that way. I really thought he deserved to be given the benefit of the doubt, and I was fooled by the video he uploaded showing him being taught be JSDW. 

I allowed myself to be taken in up to a point, and paid the price of loss of face, and as a result of the ill feeling on the FPCK thread, I found it necessary to cease my participation, although now I'm glad I did.

But I also confronted Ausar about making up cultivation exercises and creating a system by cherry picking from all the videos he obtained from his involvement with the Iron Palm website through being one of their investors. He did so without being anywhere near the level of mastery to do so safely. I warned him that he was putting the mental and physical health of his disciples at risk, not to mention his own. But it was a waste of time and energy. Sadly, I now believe him to be mentally unbalanced rather than malicious, and having actually experienced considerable discomfort after having been taught an incorrect breath control sequence for one of the meditations he taught the group, I am really concerned for the wellbeing of those who chose to continue to practice the meditations he sold to them. 

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@DSCB57

 

Thank you for being forgiving. You clearly have a kind heart of shining gold.

 

The situation with ausar was bad enough, but I must confess that I made it worse by having my own bad trait surface. I have had an issue with mixing my feelings of right and wrong with judgemental reactivity and self-righteous indignation. It's a perfect recipe for confrontations.

 

What remains of even good causes if they become clouded by selfish concerns to straighten other people's act? Absolutely nothing good.

 

I must apologize again for tempting you to an unnecessary quarrel.

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18 hours ago, virtue said:

@DSCB57

 

Thank you for being forgiving. You clearly have a kind heart of shining gold.

 

The situation with ausar was bad enough, but I must confess that I made it worse by having my own bad trait surface. I have had an issue with mixing my feelings of right and wrong with judgemental reactivity and self-righteous indignation. It's a perfect recipe for confrontations.

 

What remains of even good causes if they become clouded by selfish concerns to straighten other people's act? Absolutely nothing good.

 

I must apologize again for tempting you to an unnecessary quarrel.

 

With hindsight, I’d say that it has been an opportunity for both of us to grow. Really that’s all that matters. It’s often the case that good friendships start from a violent argument or disagreement. Each of us mirrors one another’s defects, that’s just how things are. But how we benefit from that depends upon our ability to be honest with ourselves and what are our own intrinsic qualities. 

Trolling and berating others really doesn’t interest me in the slightest, but I cannot abide hypocrisy and injustice, so I find myself forced to take a stand when necessary, even if I am mistaken. If I do so in defence of someone who does not merit my intervention, then I will have made an error of judgement, but nevertheless defended my principles.

 

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