For the Dumb Liberals, Especially Progressives

[liminal_luke]

This thread would be so much better if everybody had just read the title and acted accordingly.  Dumb liberals only folks.  We wouldn`t be on page four right now if everybody else had just stayed out.  Smart liberals, smart conservatives, dumb conservatives -- you know who you are.  

[Brian]

This thread would be so much better if everybody had just read the title and acted accordingly. Dumb liberals only folks. We wouldn`t be on page four right now if everybody else had just stayed out. Smart liberals, smart conservatives, dumb conservatives -- you know who you are.

Point taken!

 

Out.

[dust]

What do you think of the anti-propaganda bill in light of all recent events? Is it good for the government to try to decide what we can think, or what information we even have access to?

 

Interesting that the planned anti-propaganda measures don't seem to include official US state propaganda. Sounds pretty sinister.

 

At the same time, do you believe that this is something new? The US government trying to control what you think, limiting access to information? (Rhetorical really, as I'm assuming the answer is "No")

[Marblehead]

If one is advocating fascism as a means to an end then I will speak out against it!! So far I am the only one.

 

No, you are not the only one as I have spoken against fascism on numerous occasions here.  I cannot even thin about considering Trump a fascist yet.  He's not in office.

 

However, I think Obama is fascist.

[ralis]

No, you are not the only one as I have spoken against fascism on numerous occasions here. I cannot even thin about considering Trump a fascist yet. He's not in office.

 

However, I think Obama is fascist.

In what way are you characterizing Obama as fascist?

 

Addendum;

 

Adorno, Altemeyer or Reich?

Edited December 30, 2016 by ralis

[ralis]

What do you think of the anti-propaganda bill in light of all recent events? Is it good for the government to try to decide what we can think, or what information we even have access to?

I would need to read it before making a precise assessment.

[Golden Dragon Shining]

Today anyone you don't agree with is a fascist

I saw recently/ last week someone saying the promotion of beautiful art/ architecture is Fascism.

Fascism is about high order, beauty, hierarchy of merit, virtue, health, strength, protecting heritage, environment, animals 

Hardly anyone is an actual Fascist today sadly. All the misery of the world is because of Communist/Capitalist "democracy" promoting ugliness in all it's forms with words like equality, love. An extension of Judeo-Christianity. We need another Pagan Rebirth to finally throw off this dark age. 

That the trash art/ media today is equal to classical, that a grossly obese person is beautiful, that a man in a dress is a woman, and so on. Eroding at wholesome family values. People are rapidly growing tired of this nightmare parade.



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If only we could separate/ divide the nation in 2. 
 

The Marxists/Capitalists can have their miserable, corrupt, diseased world and the real Fascists can have their beautiful, healthy, organic, agrarian  classical civilization.




 

Edited December 30, 2016 by Sionnach

[ralis]

Today anyone you don't agree with is a fascist

I saw recently/ last week someone saying the promotion of beautiful art/ architecture is Fascism.

Fascism is about high order, beauty, hierarchy of merit, virtue, health, strength, protecting heritage, environment, animals

Hardly anyone is an actual Fascist today sadly. All the misery of the world is because of Communist/Capitalist "democracy" promoting ugliness in all it's forms with words like equality, love. An extension of Judeo-Christianity. We need another Pagan Rebirth to finally throw off this dark age.

That the trash art/ media today is equal to classical, that a grossly obese person is beautiful, that a man in a dress is a woman, and so on. Eroding at wholesome family values. People are rapidly growing tired of this nightmare parade.

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If only we could separate/ divide the nation in 2.

The Marxists can have miserable diseased world and the real Fascists can have their beautiful, healthy, organic, agrarian classical civilization.

 

That is not fascism in the least bit. Authoritarianism is where to begin reading.

Edited December 30, 2016 by ralis

[Golden Dragon Shining]

Democracy, Capitalism, Marxism are not Authoritative? Dishonest from the start.

At least Fascism is honest in what it is, I believe there can be benevolent authoritative governance, say a King Arthur.

To noble authoritative governance






 

Edited December 30, 2016 by Sionnach

[ralis]

Democracy, Capitalism, Marxism are not Authoritative? Dishonest from the start.

At least Fascism is honest in what it is, I believe there can be benevolent authoritative governance, say a King Arthur.

To noble authoritative governance

 

Authoritarian not authoritative. Big difference.

[liminal_luke]

Authoritarian not authoritative. Big difference.

 

Oh Ralis...you`re always so authoritative.

[mvingon]

Soros and Russia. Fascists in their own ways. I'm having none of either's excuses and lies. Otoh, Soros is a paradox. Or maybe koan. I'm entertaining the idea, perhaps he's the ultimate Taoist. I do not know enough about Taoism to assess the idea, at this point, so I'm not entertaining it much beyond this point.

[Marblehead]

In what way are you characterizing Obama as fascist?

 

Addendum;

 

Adorno, Altemeyer or Reich?

 

You just couldn't let me slide on that comment, could you?  (But I understand why.)

 

Obama is pro control of the people, more government, according to the will of big industry.  No, it's not the German Nazi form of Fascism but Fascism none-the-less.

 

He promised to repeal the Patriot Act but he has only strengthened it.

 

And he didn't even make a single public statement about Standing Rock.  That's because he was supporting the Oil Industry.

 

He has made more Executive Orders than any other president in our history.  That's dictatorship. 

[blackstar212]

Lol, it is fascism that is anti-government, anti-control, and pro-freedom lol. 

The idea of America as it was intended.

Anti-government? Lets see if the Republicans reduce government spending or increase it. I bet they increase spending. anti-control? making abortion illegal (which is a goal of theirs) is anti-freedom and control all in one.

 

 

You have to be joking about freedom. Where I live you cannot even build a deck on the back of your own home without permission from the government. The Republicans are NOT going to increase our freedom that is a pathetic joke. They are just as bad as the democrats so I don't want to hear the "well the democrats are worse or just as bad." I am already well aware of that.

 

I am tired of hearing how one party is superior to the other when that is incorrect they are two sides to one coin.

[Marblehead]

All valid points Blackstar.  (I am, after all, an Anarchist.)  I am withholding judgement on Trump until he takes office.

[dust]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

 

Fascists believe that liberal democracy is obsolete, and they regard the complete mobilization of society under a totalitarian one-party state as necessary to prepare a nation for armed conflict and to respond effectively to economic difficulties.^[7] Such a state is led by a strong leader—such as a dictator and a martial government composed of the members of the governing fascist party—to forge national unity and maintain a stable and orderly society.^[7] Fascism rejects assertions that violence is automatically negative in nature, and views political violence, war, and imperialism as means that can achieve national rejuvenation.^{[8][9][10][11]} Fascists advocate a mixed economy, with the principal goal of achieving autarky through protectionist and interventionist economic policies.^[12]

 

 

The Fascists began their attempt to entrench Fascism in Italy with the Acerbo Law, which guaranteed a plurality of the seats in parliament to any party or coalition list in an election that received 25% or more of the vote.^[126] Through considerable Fascist violence and intimidation, the list won a majority of the vote, allowing many seats to go to the Fascists.^[126] In the aftermath of the election, a crisis and political scandal erupted after Socialist Party deputy Giacomo Matteoti was kidnapped and murdered by a Fascist.^[126] The liberals and the leftist minority in parliament walked out in protest in what became known as the Aventine Secession.^[127] On 3 January 1925, Mussolini addressed the Fascist-dominated Italian parliament and declared that he was personally responsible for what happened, but he insisted that he had done nothing wrong. He proclaimed himself dictator of Italy, assuming full responsibility over the government and announcing the dismissal of parliament.^[127]

 

 

 

Yes, it's just some text copied from Wikipedia, but all pretty accurate nonetheless.

 

Fascism was and is a real political philosophy, originating last century, and has fairly specific tenets.

 

Before anyone accuses anyone else of being Fascist, or anyone claims to be Fascist, saying "Fascism is actually a good thing", I'd suggest making sure that said beliefs are genuinely and specifically Fascist in nature.

 

And I really hope that none of you are truly Fascists.

[Marblehead]

 

And I really hope that none of you are truly Fascists.

 

I consider myself to be a polar opposite.

[Golden Dragon Shining]

Non-violent, non-imperialist US Socialist Democracy/ Republic or something?

Making the world a better place

  Edited December 30, 2016 by Sionnach

[Golden Dragon Shining]

American democratic values, so free


 

Edited December 30, 2016 by Sionnach

[mvingon]

"I am tired of hearing how one party is superior to the other when that is incorrect they are two sides to one coin."

 

Exactly! One is just willing to give us a little meat scrap on the bone to keep us more quiet! They know when the people are hungry, the people will revolt.

 

The people are not ready for anarchy. Look how ugly we are, with government!

 

Communism has never been put into practice. And I don notlike every idea of it, like destroying millennia of art, history, religious texts.

 

Great Britain was doing a decent job of social democracy, for a short while, after the second great war. Then they fell into capitalism, which is really just privatized profit, public loss. Capitalism could have been great, if strong regulation had remained in place. Maybe.

 

I think all the wealth being concentrated into the hands of corporation and government is a really bad idea. I think people should be paid fair wages, pay fair prices for products (can anyone guess what Americans would be paying for fossil fuel, without heavy federal subsidies? That's corporate welfare. Can a European please tell us what a litre of petrol costs, without subsides, where you live?), HAVE universal health care, rather than "keep them alive and doped up, so as to squeeze every last drop of qi and soul and mind from them, before we leave them to suffer and die quietly, in a heap in the corner," and other viscous violence, etcetera.

 

Why are so many in such serious need, in the richest country on earth? It's a rather salient incongruousness.

 

I've heard expressed that necessities should be wholly subsidized, luxuries not. I really, really like that idea.

 

Good, sturdy, weatherproof housing, quality education, universal healthcare, healthy foods available everywhere, clean energy, clean, safe transport, quality clothing, communication, including free and open internet, so people can read and learn, telephone, and by gum, yes! unions. Medical marijuana, complete and whole, including THC, possibly cannabinoids without it, for children, not sure on the health impacts of that one.

 

McMansion, television, cheap designer clothing that exploits the misery of workers without protection, television (of people want to watch inanity, there's internet, and they can pay for it, and a broadcast or streaming tax, too, to fund those of us who choose educational programming. "Programming." Apropos, no?), petrol transport, for-profit banking, mortgaging, etcetera should be truly free market, zero subsidies. I'll include processed garbage, GMOs, most sugars and artificial sweeteners, caf CAFO products, anything industry farmed (I've heard "pharmed," and it's fitting) garbage. Stuff that is inhumanely produced, too, like fois gras. Hard liquor, possibly, mass-produced "beer," possibly garbage "wine," (Mondoavi is utter rubbish, along with MD, Thunderbird, Boone's Farm, it just costs more). Synthesized opiates, unless mmj or natural opiates are not working, or contraindicated.

 

These are just a few examples. In general, I think people should be allowed a moderate amount of real beer, decent wine. No harm, definite benefits. I'm sure we won't ask agree on everything, but the basics should be definite.

 

But hey, I'm just a person.

[Golden Dragon Shining]

Communism has been put into practice many times and 100 million+ people killed for it.

Fascism was something that really worked that is why International banks allied their Communist and Capitalist branches to defeat it, can't have nations breaking away from Usury, being free, highly successful, great leaps in technology, public health, education, arts etc That is why it is buried in a mountain of lies, it's a blueprint for success and breaking control of international usury.





 

Edited December 30, 2016 by Sionnach

[blackstar212]

Communism has been put into practice many times and 100 million+ people killed for it.

 

Fascism was something that really worked that is why International banks allied their Communist and Capitalist branches to defeat it, can't have nations breaking away from Usury, being free, highly successful, great leaps in technology, public health, education, arts etc That is why it is buried in a mountain of lies, it's a blueprint for success and breaking control of international usury.

 

 

Fascism is so successful that there are exactly zero countries left that are fascist.

[Taoist Texts]

. In general, I think people should be allowed a moderate amount  

 

That is mighty generous of you

[blackstar212]

Communism has been put into practice many times and 100 million+ people killed for it.

 

Fascism was something that really worked that is why International banks allied their Communist and Capitalist branches to defeat it, can't have nations breaking away from Usury, being free, highly successful, great leaps in technology, public health, education, arts etc That is why it is buried in a mountain of lies, it's a blueprint for success and breaking control of international usury.

 

 

Show me one country that does not or has not had classes? Communism by Marx eliminates classes and it has NEVER been done. It is a show to try to appease the with the name communism but it is NEVER put into practice. As soon as there is a bourgeois there is no communism.

 

Next thing you are going to tell me is that North Korea is a democratic republic. LOL

Edited December 30, 2016 by blackstar212

[Taoist Texts]

Fascism is so successful that there are exactly zero countries left that are fascist.

Define fascism and be surprised.