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Liu Huayang

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By the way, what about learning without a Teacher according to Ge Hong? If you need I can remind you.

 

Thank you so very much;). I see you are enjoying own-foot-shooting sport. What i need is for you to explain what is this

 

 

況金玉札,神仙之經

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且今人以道門尚于修命,而不知修命之法,理出兩端:有易遇而難成著,有難遇而易成者。如煉五芽之氣,服七耀之光,注想按摩,納清吐濁;念經持咒,巽水叱符;叩齒集神,休妻絕粒;存神閉息,運眉間之思;補腦還精,習房中之術,以至服煉金石草木之類,皆易遇而難成者。以上諸法,于修身之道,率多滅裂,故施力雖多而求效莫驗。若勤心苦志,日夕修持,止可以辟病,免其非橫。一旦不行,則前功漸棄。此乃遷延歲月,事必難成。欲望一得永得,還嬰返老,變化飛升,不亦難乎?深可痛傷。蓋近世修行之徒,妄有執著,不悟妙法之真,卻怨神仙謾語。殊不知成道者,皆因煉金丹而得,恐泄天機,遂托數事爲名。其中惟閉息一法,如能忘機絕慮,即與二乘坐禪頗同。若勤而行之,可以入定出神。奈何精神屬陰,宅舍難固,不免長用遷徙之法,既未得金汞返還之道,又豈能回陽換骨,白日而升天哉?

 

Of course Chinese believe the fake dao.

 

Chang bou duan told you that long long time ago.

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Of course Chinese believe the fake dao.

 

Chang bou duan told you that long long time ago.

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Ugh, i am just messing with you, kinda gets boring too. So what this passage say in one sentence?

:)  Ok, why to talk with this person any more?

It seems like he doesn't want to study Taoism or to find out about studying with or without the Teacher.

 

 

If you want me to answer your questions, You must be my student first.

But what about "sharing for free" and  "I'm not taking money for that"? :huh: 

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Arkady

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:)  Ok, why to talk with this person any more?

 

3 reasons: marketing, propaganda, hate.

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But what about "sharing for free" and  "I'm not taking money for that"? :huh: 

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Arkady

 

 

See? They want your knowledge for free Awaken

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See? They want your knowledge for free Awaken

1. Actually its awaken, who said that she is not taking the money for that

2. I'm not talking about the Knowledge. I'm talking about simplest question A.A.Khokhlov asked her.

 

That's it.

 

3 reasons: marketing, propaganda, hate.

So, you really don't want to find out about is the Teacher needed or not???

What a shame pity.  :( 

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Arkady

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So, you really don't want to find out about is the Teacher needed or not???

 

 

I have found it long time ago, thank you very much.

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The more I read this topic, the more I get perplexed... Don't get me wrong, but I got a strange feeling that Taoist Text is just taking the piss...  

 

Excuse me?

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I have found it long time ago, thank you very much.

And what about Patriarchs words from Daozang?

They looks quite convincing, do you agree with them?

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Arkady

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And what about Patriarchs words from Daozang? They looks quite convincing,

do you agree with them?

 

Things are not what they look like.

It depends. Provide a quote we will see;)

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What about quotes already provided by A.A. Khokhlov and by you?
You are quoting Baopuzi and there is clear pointing on that Teacher is needed:

 

 

Patriarch Ge Hong, Baopuzi:

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Since these instructions point to the depths and lead far away, so even if to write them down, yet a person who haven't recieved them from his Teacher would understand nothing from them: he looks up - and wouldn't see head, he looks down - wouldn't see feet.

 

 

So that means you agree with that Teacher is needed.
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So that means you agree with that Teacher is needed.

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Arkady

 

No but i agree that you have no clue what Ge is really saying in that passage.

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Arcady, you will waste time 

 

Go someplace else to chat among your team. Do not spam my thread.

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It's british term of "Taking the piss is a Commonwealth term meaning to take liberties at the expense of others, or to be unreasonable. It is often used to mean (or confused with) taking the piss out of, which is an expression meaning to mock, tease, ridicule, or scoff."

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I don't know Chinese but the translations seem to be quite clear. I have read some of them in Russian before, the sense was the same.

 

And yet they are completely wrong and misleading. Trust me.

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Basically you say that your source

 

1. Does NOT say that Liu had any children.

2. Does NOT say that he transmitted to a son.

 

Your source is one more evidence that  the genealogy is false then.

 

 

 

 

 

Of course it does not say that, but it is very diferent from the baidu link you provided, with poor information and misleading.

By the way, have you ever read about Huato's children?

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By the way, have you ever read about Huato's children?

 

No, only about him having  a wife.

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I've read some of these texts previousely in professor Evgeniy Torchinov's translation. He was a Phd in Chinese Pilosophy. And what I see - the translation provided by A.A.Khokhlov is pretty much the same and looking quite logical.

Three amateurs in 3 centences

 

 

Teachers and disciples has always been a standard for Chinese taoism, haven't it?

 

 

I do not know what do you mean and neither do you.

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I'm not sure I got you well. Did you name PhD Evegniy Torchinov an amateur in Chinese? With all his works on ancient Chinese being accepted and approved by scientific community?

 

In this case I can see no way for you to be right in translations anymore.

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 Did you name PhD Evegniy Torchinov an amateur in Chinese? With all his works on ancient Chinese being accepted and approved by scientific community?

Yes. What community?

 

 

In this case I can see no way for you to be right in translations anymore.

 

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See? They want your knowledge for free Awaken

I saw that.

 

Greedy.

 

No manners.

 

A real cultivator need some good quality in personality.

 

I will not accept the kind of students or friends.

 

Everyone like good people.

 

Me too.

 

 

 

If someone is too rude to let me remember him or her, I will ignore him or her.

 

I do not want to talk to the people who is not friendly.

 

It is a very easy to understand to everyone.

 

I do not know why someone just do not understand.

 

Maybe because they have a "true" teacher.

 

So now, " true" teachers have different meanings.

 

It is strange.

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Man, aren't you aware of Orientalism science? Evgeniy Torchinov was a PhD in Orientalism (specifically in Taoism) and a greatest Russian specialist in ancient Chinese.

 

His researches are also well known in China, he has been several times invited to participate taoist conferences in China.

 

Do you have orientalist education at least to judge?

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