Zork

12 minutes ago, Shadow_self said:

 

Oh wow, you actually are running away,

 

AGAIN.

 

Haha 

 

 

Pleasure as always Zork   Try not to leave it so long between visits next time 

No i won*. Period. You ran away in the security of your PPD.

As i said you have no idea what you are talking about. I actually proved that above.

*This isn't a victory to be frank. But at least the truth prevailed for once.

1 hour ago, Shadow_self said:

 

 

Here you are...ill re-edit my last post and leave it for you to respond there

No i won't.

I told you we are fine here. I proved my point, you didn't. Game over. Cya!!!

Why? Because i am f*cking tired of trying to converse with someone who does not understand basic argumentation logic and keeps using fallacies as a means to prove that the absence of light isn't darkness....

Trying to make you think for a change is too tiring and not worth my time and effort, i have actual things to do instead of wasting time and effort to a meaningless cause. I just hope that people that see the thread ignore the nonsense you wrote.

1 hour ago, Shadow_self said:

If you don't open a new thread, don't expect a reply..I wont be catching a warning or ban because you haven't got basic forum etiquette 

Seriously? You of all people?

is this considered good forum etiquette?

11 hours ago, Shadow_self said:

P.S If you want to continue...I suggest opening a specific thread..Ill gladly do this with you for as long as you please (which I imagine isnt much longer given your history of flight)

You are the epitome of bad manner!

1 hour ago, Shadow_self said:

The underlying energetic networks are the same in all traditions...it is the degree of complexity with which they are discussed and where the emphasis is placed that changes

NO.

They differ. I already pointed out a tradition that differs.Hermetics differ too. Organs have different polarities and there is no yang and yin chi.

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1 hour ago, Shadow_self said:

That is the reason alchemical practices produce practitioners with siddhi....because they work from they physical body upward...and that is also why you are crying and blabbering about traditions where you cannot show one individual of any achievement whatsoever

 

and the reason they dont have said developments? Because they dont have the practices to make it happen.

Irrelevant argument. 2-0

1 hour ago, Shadow_self said:

Ah more nonsense...lets see who's telling the truth and who isnt then shall we

Says the major producer of bullshit in the thread.... lol

1 hour ago, Shadow_self said:

Please see here...please refer to Mark who actually teaches IIH..

 

Unlike your unknowledgeable self...he understands the mechanics of internal work. Heres his course

 

https://themartialman.com/courses/initiation-into-hermetics-with-sifu-mark-rasmus/

 

Level 1 : Elasticising the body.

False. It is just a minor part of level 1. and oh btw look what i found! 

24. Step 2. M. Visualization

Your source proves you wrong. Guess why that happened? Because you have no f*cking idea what you are talking about!

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1 hour ago, Shadow_self said:

" Tibetan yoga, in the context of my book, refers specifically to the deeply embodied Completion Stage practices that traditionally follow foundational Creation Stage practices based upon focused attention and creative visualization. In Creation Stage Deity Yoga, practitioners transcend habitual self-conceptions by imaginatively transforming themselves into a tantric deity. In one sense, we can understand this process as a form of “method acting” that reveals the fluid nature of self-identity. "

He says that they use visualisation. I was certain that he could have never said something so stupid that visualisation isn't needed.

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1 hour ago, Shadow_self said:

I left the AG forum...and out of respect for @Earl Grey I wont get into why. You want to discuss AG? over you go

 

But you are entirely welcome to open as many threads as you like here and have any argument you wish with me...publicly.

This is public. Where is the problem?

1 hour ago, Shadow_self said:

I have already told you...the links to both practitioners are as above

 

But i'll give you one  more thing he said...to prove my point that the foundational practices are physical, and extremely demanding..

This is just appealing to authority all over again.

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1 hour ago, Shadow_self said:

You visualize yourself as a blue scepter. 

So visualisation again? Wow that helps your argument a lot.

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1 hour ago, Shadow_self said:

Any practitioner I know worth their salt with any degree of ability whatsoever...had the same story regardless of whether or not they shared the practice with me...it was as mentioned...physically demanding, uncomfortable and required zero imagination whatsoever

Ah the "No true Scotsman fallacy". You really are a treasure to study logical fallacies in arguments!

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1 hour ago, Shadow_self said:

So you want to see if I'm telling the truth?  Find someone to show you and practice it yourself.

Ah "the leap at Rhodes" fallacy. Man you are shooting turd after turd.

https://americanliterature.com/author/aesop/short-story/the-leap-at-rhodes

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1 hour ago, Shadow_self said:

Otherwise, stop wasting time and derailing the thread please...

You are the one derailing it mister.

So @Shadow_self since you know about magic, what can you tell us about seals, candles, qaballah and how it relates to qigong and tummo?

2 hours ago, Aeordimm said:

2. "Immortal" generally refers to the ability to reduce the destruction of your spirit/mental body after you die. It depends on the "size" of a sea of consciousness, supported by past life memories and experiences and vast experiences of the present life. It's what people call talent or predisposition to certain things, where you don't have to learn a new skill from scratch in the next life. Sounds good on the surface, but it's easy to fall into a rabid hole of illusions when working with this.

Interesting. There is mention of the ability to control future incarnations in Bardo Thodol and the yogas of dream and sleep.

Ideally death should lead to enlightenment but if that fails the option to control the next incarnation so as to continue pursuing enlightenment is there.

What are the dangers that you are aware of? It sounds intriguing as you pointed out because you can keep magical skills through incarnations.

8 hours ago, Shadow_self said:

No you don't

 

You do not need to be a mechanic to understand how the different parts of an engine work, an explanation will suffice....

 

You just need to be one to take it apart and put it back together

You have no idea how stupid this claim is. Google Lataif and tell me how they (don't) relate at all with the energy centers of Hindu and taoist systems.

You should know IF you had ever studied Bardon. The energy structure that he included in the book is unlike the asian traditions. Your supposed (let's laugh here for a moment) knowledge of traditions does not include that?

8 hours ago, Shadow_self said:

Not really, because quoting them verbatim and claiming their unwavering truth would be an appeal to authority

 

What I have done is taken their explanation of a process....cross referenced it against my own experiential and theoretical understanding based on practice..them not knowing what I know, and I not knowing what they know...allows for a mental model of differentiation and integration to occur....once you collate said data points and identify the shared mechanics...it becomes very clear what is essential and what isn't. 

 

You cross reference this with several other accounts, and pretty soon you get a basic understanding of what is happening

 

You may then play around with the practice if you wish to. Ive done it with Tummo plenty of times...No imagination needed

 

I notice you conveniently ran away from my question about mechanics...that's quite the habit you have

 

Shall we try again? Or are you going to go for round two of duck hunt and hide in the grass once more

What you did is appeal to authority mixed with hearsay without the actual quotes from people you claim have said stupid things which obviously they haven't!

You claim that stretching is emphasized by hermetic masters. NO this is false and you have no source to prove anything.

You claim that Ian whatever said something and you have nothing to show. It is just hearsay!

8 hours ago, Shadow_self said:

No, im not  and I suggest you get to know me before the baseless claims come

Sure drifter, no problem...

8 hours ago, Shadow_self said:

Plenty, which have been discussed with people worth my time (some of who are friends and on this site) , my teachers, fellow practitioners...you know, people who actually do these things.

 

I'm not so keen on sharing discussion with folk who lack respect. You know the type that come in throw around insults and baseless claims, then run away when confronted

You sound exactly like the WMP crowd. Oh i am sure that you have plenty of sensations. Find another hobby, you won't get anywhere!

8 hours ago, Shadow_self said:

Wrong again. Funny that's quite the trend with you 

Eh you are the guy who knows nothing about the subject yet keeps insisting.

8 hours ago, Shadow_self said:

I have a far more personal teacher, where I get 1 to 1 instruction. No classes, no  public school. 1 to 1

 

Even with that everything I've mentioned in terms of practice and understanding passes the litmus test.

 

Even across traditions...So well, yeah...there's that

 

But in regards to who you mentioned. Im not going to speak for either one of them.  They don't need me to.

 

They both stand on their own credentials.

 

You however...have absolutely none. 

blah blah blah more hearsay

blah blah blah more appeal to authority

blah blah blah no proof

you sound exactly like ilovecoffee.

8 hours ago, Shadow_self said:

The reason you left was you were asked to explain your practice...and you ran away. Exactly like you are now avoiding my questions now...because you have no idea what you are saying in reality...hiding behind false claims and blanket unfounded statements

Oh really? you know why i left better than me?

Get serious troll!

Why did you leave the AG thread then?

Should i speculate like you?

I know that you had no argument and you chickened out.

see how this goes?

8 hours ago, Shadow_self said:

You cant even explain the mechanics behind the things your are advocating...its beyond unfortunate and just plain odd

So one that can score from any position in the court, must know the precise mechanics behind shooting? That is a joke statement. I am not answering stupid stuff.

8 hours ago, Shadow_self said:

P.S If you want to continue...I suggest opening a specific thread..Ill gladly do this with you for as long as you please (which I imagine isnt much longer given your history of flight)

Continue what? You have more hearsay and no proof? What is the point. I have already won.

8 hours ago, Shadow_self said:

ppealing to authority is something you dont seem to understand..

No the problem is that YOU don't.

One of the great commandments of science is, "Mistrust arguments from authority." ... Too many such arguments have proved too painfully wrong. Authorities must prove their contentions like everybody else.^[21]

^{Carl Sagan}

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_authority

Arguments from authority that are based on the idea that a person should conform to the opinion of a perceived authority or authoritative group are rooted in psychological cognitive biases^[41] such as the Asch effect.^[42][43] In repeated and modified instances of the Asch conformity experiments, it was found that high-status individuals create a stronger likelihood of a subject agreeing with an obviously false conclusion, despite the subject normally being able to clearly see that the answer was incorrect.^[44]

8 hours ago, Shadow_self said:

 

If you want the evidence for what I am saying...

That is easy. you need proof. You don't have it and instead of shutting up because you don't have it, you insist on giving your anything but expert opinion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burden_of_proof_(philosophy)

You need to provide facts why you know about a subject like western magic while you have never studied it.

You did not.

You have no argument.

I rest my case.

58 minutes ago, Shadow_self said:

 

I don't need to be a part of a tradition to call out mechanics.

Yes you do!

59 minutes ago, Shadow_self said:

Especially when explained to me prior by member of said traditions

Logical fallacy. You need to quote verbatim and let them explain their level of ignorance.

1 hour ago, Shadow_self said:

Oh not a drifter at all...

yes you are!

1 hour ago, Shadow_self said:

 

I have two traditions I am very happy with...both complement each other nicely...more importantly...they actually get results and dont require your imagination to do so.

 

And the results are?

Nothing at all of course.

1 hour ago, Shadow_self said:

But you are welcome to pretend you know what you are talking about, then exit stage left, much like the last time you did when called on your inaccurate statements by a person of actual  knowledge

Freeform is clueless and Damo isn't good and you know why.

1 hour ago, Shadow_self said:

What was it last time? 11 months 

 

Pleasure as always @Zork Hopefully i'll hear from you again before next year

The reason i left is because the mods have double standards.

49 minutes ago, Shadow_self said:

 

I don't need to be a part of a tradition to call out mechanics.Especially when explained to me prior by member of said traditions

 

Oh not a drifter at all...

 

I have two traditions I am very happy with...both complement each other nicely...more importantly...they actually get results and dont require your imagination to do so.

 

But you are welcome to pretend you know what you are talking about, then exit stage left, much like the last time you did when called on your inaccurate statements by a person of actual  knowledge

 

What was it last time? 11 months 

 

Pleasure as always @Zork Hopefully i'll hear from you again before next year

Appealing to authority without even quoting what people said or where it can be found is a very well documented logical fallacy.

Your previous post was a boatload of this fallacy.

Don't bother with the traditions you are following they will lead you nowhere. Even if they are legit which i highly doubt, your unethical behaviour will prevent you from acvomplishing anything of any importance.

2 hours ago, Shadow_self said:

 

Yes I am very aware of that...But the 9 purification breaths are taken from older pranayama practices...the imagination is not a vital part of the mechanics..you can do them without it...and people have and continue to

 

Its almost as if you think someone with aphantasia could not practice?

 

The tsa lung truk khor are basically movements co-ordinated with the breath. Tibetan yoga if you would, similar in mechanics to what the Daoists have, the same as the Hindus have. In fact if you knew your history you'd be able to trace this stuff back. 

 

That is the common link in the earlier stages...the underlying "extra stuff" that you refer to is not necessary...If it was all traditions would have it deeply embedded

 

Do you actually understand why they are visualizing in those practices? Do you understand the rationale?

 

 

Actually I do. I don't need to have a practice based in the tradition to understand how it it works or the mechanics of them. I'm fortune to know people who are in these lines and more than willing to share. I also have the opportunity to train in them should I wish to.

 

I just choose not to, for the reasons I mentioned prior

 

 

Ask a teacher, or better yet go train with one. The foremost teacher I know of those practices at the moment is Mark Rasmus, and he would tell you that opening and elasticising the body is not only important...it is essential.

 

The fact that you don't know why Bardon doesn't  include it,  indicates to me that perhaps something is lacking in your understanding of the mechanics at play here

 

 

I'm quite aware of the book. It sat on my shelf for several years collecting dust after I finished it. I'll probably give it to a charity shop when i get around to it.

 

Incomplete instructions are incomplete instructions...and sitting down visualising anything is not necessary when there are far more potent concentration exercises that can lead one towards spirit.

 

I have two teachers of separate traditions, One from Esoteric Buddhism, One from Daoist. I know quite a few people from different traditions in the latter on top of that,

 

I know several people who initiates of Tibetan Lines, and am lucky that they are willing to share...even though its not my cup of tea, it is nice to get an insight into the mechanics. And like I said...I could start in one of those traditions tomorrow if I chose to. 

 

The western traditions are all but dead and have been lost for centuries...what remains is mostly nonsense and complete crap. Finding authentic lines is nigh on impossible. 

 

The very few I know that have any measure of ability would tell you what is available is rubbish, and that they had to cross train to get anywhere

 

 

Random idiot on the Web? You realize Ian is literally endorsed by the Dalai Lama? They are on extremely good terms

 

He consistently leads expeditions to real lineages in Bhutan, is an initiate of multiple lines of Tibetan Buddhism and Tantric Shaivism. He also trained with the Mo Pai, and is involved in Esoteric Buddhist lines in Myanmar. Also a scholar on the topic

 

I think you are making yourself look quite misinformed now

 

And please note what I said...overemphasized

 

I maintain my original position, there is zero need to visualize anything for contacting spirit. There are better, faster, more efficient means of doing things.

 

You are entitled to disagree as you please...it makes no difference to me

This is 100% pure bullshit.

You are not part of these traditions and don't know what you are talking about.

You are the quintessential drifter who never stays at one art enough to be a master but thinks that encountering many arts and using academics you can master everything.

I hate to point it our to you lad but you are clueless and you will remain so. Just so you know, i have shown what you wrote to people of another magical tradition and the ROFLED at the nonsense.

I won't waste more time with uninformed patzers.....

9 hours ago, Nungali said:

 

Well, to make the  weather like it has been ,  people must be REALLY out of the natural order nowadays  ..... do you think so ?

 

 

And why did it take the heavens 70 years to react if pollution or urbanisation was the only trigger?

The earliest indications of lead pollution come from the roman empire and the extensive use of lead for the processing of silver used in coinage. How did the climate change then?

The ethical dimension of people today seems to have infuriated the heavens more than anything else.

10 hours ago, Shadow_self said:

 

The thing that makes Tibetan Tantric methods work is Tsa Lung Trul Khor....Guess what it does? Stretch

You really don't know what you are talking about. One of the exercises in tsa lung is 9 purification breaths which have visualisation.

10 hours ago, Shadow_self said:

Actually I have a bit of knowledge in Tibetan Tantra methods....I

 No you don't...

10 hours ago, Shadow_self said:

Even Bardon (who in my opinion offers relatively little) the more senior ones who still teach his material will tell you the physical methods required are simply not available in the book.

Eh no this isn't true. He mentions doing some regular exercise like isometrics but that isn't important.

10 hours ago, Shadow_self said:

But do yourself a favour...go back further and see where the hype for visualization comes from in terms of meditative (not magical) traditions....and what the term actually means.

Actually you need to read the books for a change because the second exercise in the book i mention is visualising an orange....

10 hours ago, Shadow_self said:

Does it change according to tradition? Somewhat...but the crux of the matter is it is neither required nor an efficient way of approaching spirituaity

And this is based on what? Your own non-existent experiences with those methods?

Western magic has inner alchemy too and there is a long tradition going back at least a thousand years.

10 hours ago, Shadow_self said:

PS...suggest you read and listen to much of Ian Bakers work... he has mentioned on several occasions how Visualization is unnecessarily overemphasized in Tibetan Practices...a point echoed to me by aforementioned initiates.

Sure, i will listen to a random idiot on the web instead of respected teachers of Tibetan lineages who have visualisation in many practices like Dream yoga for example. I mean what could go wrong with trusting the opinion of random idiots who don't walk the talk?

Whatever doesn't fit your paradigm doesn't mean that it is inferior or doesn't work.

This will bite you back later on your journey. Keep to your system and don't criticize systems that you have no idea how they work. Magic has very little connections to qigong. They are separate systems.

edit. in case i am misunderstood the idiot is Ian Baker who criticizes ancient traditions based on superficial understanding.

On 9/6/2022 at 4:32 AM, Zhongyongdaoist said:

I have just finished the first major weather spell in what I hope will relieve the Drought and excess heat in the Southwest of the United States.  I hope I will not have made a fool of myself by posting on this here, but I have had success breaking droughts before and doing some weather magic on a smaller scale, and I hope that success can be scaled up for the sake of the lives of millions of people who will otherwise suffer terribly.

 

ZYD

It is good that you are willing to help but isn't the drought sometimes caused by the heavens being disgusted with the ethics of mortals? Drought, plague etc IIRC according to Daoists happen because people act out of the natural order.

On 9/17/2022 at 1:05 AM, Indiken said:

I have some thoughts regarding how people influence the weather,

 

For example, it seems that there was different weather/climate in Republic/Early Imperial Rome and Late Imperial Rome. This idea stems from comparison of Roman infantry armor and clothing.

 

Might it be that Christianity changed people and people changed the weather/climate?

The climate was different at various points in history. Google the "Medieval warm period" and "Small ice age".

There is no correlation between Christianity and climate. The deforestation of the North African jungles and the loss of the Great African Lakes like the Megalake Chad happened before Christianity was even a concept.

On 9/18/2022 at 4:19 AM, Shadow_self said:

Magic tricks, visualizations...etc etc etc. If it is contact with spirit you want...they are a  poor use of time and effort....Just adding more layers instead of stripping them away.

This is plain wrong. It shows ignorance of Tibetan Tantra methods and Hermetic magic practices. Visualisation is key to these practices! Bardon has the exercise in the forefront of his book Initiation to the hermetics. Do you know better than Bardon?

On 9/18/2022 at 4:19 AM, Shadow_self said:

So you want to start building foundation? Learn to sit still without moving.....start by aiming for 30 minutes and then 1 hour. Also, begin stretching...a lot.

Again these have nothing to do with hermetic magic traditions. The foundations have only one thing in common. Meditation. The actual practices, like purification rituals, diverge completely after that. Even the energy systems are different.

As a side question @Iliketurtles what is your opinion on deep fakes??

My 2 cents. Evidence can be mathematical in origin. I can prove that the Earth is NOT flat without any audiovisual medium with simple high school math. As a simple exercise, imagine how geostationary satellites would work if the Earth was flat. Now imagine satellites in general. Do you understand what the problem is?

The actual problem that one can encounter with biological systems is that the only way to be sure about a phenomenon is to either study it directly in Vivo or observe it through statistics. The latter requires a repeatable experiment with observable metrics in lab conditions with double blind studies using many subjects. Good luck with that....  As for the former i don't need to mention how hard it is.

小梦想 's stillness method is interesting, I would advise people to give it a try if they have trouble meditating.

Many thanks for introducing it to the people.

2 hours ago, Frederic said:

Thank you for sharing parts of his syllabus Zork. Looks amazing. I really hope I can join in a year or so

go ahead. Caveat emptor.

What you really need to consider is the karma exchange between teacher and student at higher level teachings and since most "aspiring immortals" here have more than desirable karma there are 3 possible things happening:

1. He doesn't care exchanging/interweaving karma with you by sharing high level things. I don't think, that this is happening because i don't believe that Damo is stupid.
2. He has so much good karma or a very good way to burn it away. Unless we are talking about a messianic figure that appears once in a millenium at most, i don't think this is happening either. Which leaves us at....
3. He isn't going to teach you high level stuff so the karma intertwining won't happen. He will just take your money.

Do what you please. I have nothing more to say in this thread.

1 hour ago, refugeindharma said:

 

I agree, perhaps we should get back on to discussing the MCO course found here: https://damomitchell.com/2020/03/23/microcosmic-orbit/ in this thread titled "Damo Mitchell Free MCO Course"

yep. just remember to enroll for classes and do ldt work after orbit and then orbit work again. Success is guaranteed!

The course is chock full of nonsense. Look for yourselves.

mobilising qigong 3 comes 12 weeks after the first two sets! What do you learn in-between? see for yourselves! There is five weeks of fillers that could be one and who knows how much more nonsense. And there is always gems like setting the shoulders in year two. Why not wait for year 3 or 4 to correct shoulder alignment? It isn't like it will create problems to newbies! will it?

No no no don't go, there is more entertainment to be had! Give it all away! on week 51! Now we are talking!

4 hours ago, refugeindharma said:

It's the QuanZhen lineage I believe, otherwise the Longmen, I don't recall which exactly or if they're the same. Ji Ben (基本) means basic or fundamental. 

It isn't from the lineages you mention. It just means basic foundation work.

4 hours ago, refugeindharma said:

From my distorted perception it seems that you hold on to a lot of assumptions and beliefs when it comes to these arts (either that or you have a bit of a soft-on for Damo). Perhaps you could try turning the light around and illuminating within. Thanks for sharing your opinion

Oh another "master" from Damo's lineage giving advice... wow i am impressed.....

15 hours ago, freeform said:

With all due respect - it’s best you focus on your own training before giving advice on stuff you haven’t achieved and don’t understand.

 

I only ever give advice on stuff I can do and only when someone asks… this is out of respect for those who want to learn and for the traditions that have been passed down over centuries.

 

I’m happy to speculate and discuss stuff - but I’m clear when something is beyond my level.

I don't need any authority to judge the program at all. I don't need anyone to tell me that "qi emission" on his syllabus on the 3rd year is sh*t.

After all the trash you talked about faqi, do you endorse this syllabus?

You know it takes at least 4-5 years of dedicated training with the master present to emit qi.

He promises something that he won't deliver!

Look at week 31. Practice with incense? Yep that is a whole week worth  of teaching! The 26th week is about... leg rotations!

Reverse breathing upgrade??? Seriously. One whole lesson? You support this kind of teaching curriculum @freeform ?

Wanna see year 4? Connect with trees! Tree-hugging 101!

Do you know what is wrong with all of you? You want me to stop expressing my opinion by appealing to authority. What authority? Since when taoism deals in absolutes?

It doesn't work that way because the thread isn't about me and what I do but about a teaching course. Now let's get back in topic.

59 minutes ago, refugeindharma said:

 

And for a beginner, the "Fundamentals of Qi Gong" video series (I think about 30 hours?) that is available immediately is already enough to work on for 2 to 3 years just learning the Wuji standing technique and the Ji Ben Qi Gong set properly. 

can you point me to the lineage that the Ji Ben gong comes from? Do you know what ji ben means?

you should know all the zz stances in your system by the end of your first year. By the 3rd year you should be ready and able to stand in each stance for an hour at least. Just doing wuji alone won't get you anywhere. It is a waste of time. ji ben is also a waste of time.

If you like the course, good for you but it won't lead where you think it will and it isn't worth the time you waste.(the value of money is subjective)

11 minutes ago, freeform said:

Damn and I was just dusting off my crystal ball! 🔮

Use the iron abacus. It is better. But it doesn't work for cultivators at all.

10 minutes ago, freeform said:

Actually - it’s the other way round.

 

I don’t know if you’ve trained in Asia - but in my experience it’s very different.

 

Firstly high level teachers will refuse to teach you… they may send you to one of their seniors or another teacher in the same tradition.

 

There you’ll be one of the hundreds if not thousands of students. No instructions - just stand. Or just move like this.

 

 

No explanation just copy and hope for the best.

 

60% drop out quickly. Some stick around but not get anything… a tiny minority will have some talent and begin to show signs of development. 
 

The teacher will give them some small instruction - something seemingly trivial and then wait to see if they follow the instructions correctly.

 

If they do, they’ll get another minor instruction… and repeat that for months or years.

 

(if they don’t follow the instructions, no more will be given)

 

Follow all the instructions properly, and achieve the required result and eventually, you might be invited to join the circle of seniors where the real instructions are given. (This isn’t the ‘inner door’ yet)

 

You need to prove yourself again over many months and years… and eventually you might be introduced to a high level teacher who will test you.

Pass the test and you will get more instructions… you’ll have to pass a test at each level of instruction. Most people fail the test.

 

Out of the thousands that start only one or two will ever get instructions from the high level teacher of the lineage.

 

The majority will quit… and the rest will remain in the big group copying movements.

And what is Damo doing right now if it isn't this thing exactly?

All people that join aim for Neidan. None will get it.

You and me are saying the same thing. In the East the teacher will only bother with the exceptional. Not random people enrolling at a master's class for money. In the west they will teach everyone everything and hope it gets into their heads. There is no diversification of pace for those who are too dim or too bright.

3 minutes ago, Master Logray said:

 

You have a point.  But we are talking about Damo.  If he depends solely on novices and beginners, he would have been teaching English or having other part time jobs to subsidize his living.  The non-beginners is just a big market that cannot be ignored.    Everyone stucks somewhere,  and very much want to find out why they are stuck if not able to do from their existing channels, or out of curiosity or the urge to refine technique, an online teacher is invaluable.  They don't have to abandon their existing teachers and may be able to show off among other students.  It is like a school kid goes for private tuition.  These people have different requirements from beginners.  This is a business issue, not cultivation.  

 

 

 

Yes, revenue protection purpose.

It seems like the western approach to training. Mass train everyone and hope for the best. Eastern methods are more personal and unsuitable to building a business around it.