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Posted 13 December 2009 - 05:32 PM

Hello Sifu Dunn,

Thank you for participating here, it's great to have a practitioner and teacher of your experience on board.

I wanted to ask about your tai chi ruler book and dvd. Is it based on the teachings of GM Lew? I've heard that there are a few different versions of this form out there, not sure what the differences are, or if they are important. Also, what do you see as some of the benefits of this set?

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Hello Dainin,

Answer to your question re my Tai Chi Ruler publications (book and video):
1. Yes the material in the book (1990, Dragon Door) and the video (1985, Interarts (my company)) are based on the teachings of Master Share K. Lew. I wrote the book with Master Share K. Lew's expressed permission.
2. However, I learned the TC Ruler system in 1975 from the senior student of Master Lew at the time, John Davidson. Then I practiced that version from 1975 through 1985, and put that version on the video and the book.
3. Around 1989, 1990, I met with Master Lew and he showed me the correct, orthodox, version of TC Ruler. This was an interesting revelation--compared to what I had learned from John Davidson and had practiced for 10 years. :o So I added Master Lew's corrected version to the book as the "advanced" version of the practice, as seen in the indoor photos of me wear black garb), where all exercises without steps are done with feet parallel and at a 45 degree angle for each side of the practice. I added it as an addendum because I had already had professional photos taken of me doing the Davidson version and I had written the instructional text based the Davidson version because that's what I knew best. Master Lew also knew that that was the version of the TC Ruler I had been practicing because Davidson was the primary teaching in Los Angeles.
4. So that is why in the first pictorial part of my book, I teach the John Davidson version of the TC Ruler.
5. Unfortunately, I was not able to show the final draft of the book to Master Lew before the print run because the publisher was rushing me on a tight schedule. Because everyone in L.A. had been practicing the Davidson version for 10+ years and it was all under Master Lew's auspices, I thought that the Davidson method of practice was the standard "beginners" version of the art.
6. Well, after the book was published in early 1991, I found out that the John Davidson version I had photographed and written about was a "broken" tradition that Master Lew had purposely taught John Davidson due to his own reasons. The Davidson version is an "incomplete" and distorted version of the authentic TC Ruler art. Practicing this version does no harm, but it does not efficiently promote internal energy cultivation the same way that the method Share K. Lew teaches does.
7. Because the book contained the old Davidson version as well as the later correct version, Master Lew was upset one summer (1992) when a couple of his workshop students from Esalen brought the TCR book to him and said that my printed version was different from what he had been teaching them. He told me that he had "lost face" because of the discrepancy between the Davidson version and his authentic version.
8. As fall-out from this lack of communication, and his resulting unhappiness over the Davidson version being published, Master Lew changed his mind about allowing me to write a book and publish a video series on the TTP-31. He had first given me his A-OK at the same time he OK'd the TC Ruler book, but then after TC Ruler book came out with the old Davidson version on it, and that caused controversy, he then changed his mind and said "No" to the TTP-31 video and book. That's the grandmaster's prerogative. To this day, I have respected his wishes and have not published anything on the TTP-31. The last I heard (about a year ago), Master Lew is still adamantly anti-video, and has an edict out prohibiting any of his students from publishing any part of the TTP system on video.

9. Bottom line: as "broken traditions" go, the John Davidson version of the TC Ruler seen in the first pictorial section of my book (and on my 1985 video) is still an effective physical training regimen that strengthens legwork,stances and posture, and does cultivate chi to a certain extent by coordinating eyes, mind, movement and breath. But it is NOT the correct Tai Chi Ruler art. The correct version is seen in the back pictorial section of the book only.

Regards,

Terry
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Posted 13 December 2009 - 05:40 PM

Sifu Terry,

Did you get my PM, i seem to be having problems???

Garry

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Posted 14 December 2009 - 06:09 AM

Hello Terry,

Thank you for your reply. I will PM you the person's name. It could be I misunderstood this guy regarding the breath retention method I mentioned as you are the second person to confirm the natural way of practicing.

I do appreciate you sharing the way you were taught those exercises as I was taught Circling Palms in a slight horse (not deep). I did have several years of Mantis training from two different systems before learning the TTP exercises and I continue with now several years of Bagua training.

Again, it must be I misunderstood this person's meaning regarding the retention methods.

Thanks again for your reply.

Best regards,

Bill

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Posted 15 December 2009 - 12:31 AM

Hi Terry,

I am aware of a lot of the qi gong/nei gong that Share K. Lew teaches (ie. Six stars, Shen Gong, Five Dragons), but there have been very little mentioned about his teachings on Taoist meditation(sitting). Have you had any experiences regarding this specific aspect of his teachings? Thanks.

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Posted 16 December 2009 - 12:55 PM

Sifu Garry,

I'm glad to "come out" and chime in a bit about the authenticity of GM Doo Wai's teachings, and to confirm that he is a man of tremendous knowledge and internal power. He is an unbelievable reservoir of powerful knowledge.

First of all, any kung-fu practitioner with any level should be able to discern from the Bok Fu Pai form demonstrations that GM Doo Wai has put up on Youtube since or before 2007 that his Kung-fu is highly advanced. One Youtube clip, in which GMDW is indoors with a dark blue "tao" character hung on the wall (also last part in slow motion), was filmed by me in 1994 at my student's factory warehouse in downtown L.A. (which we painted pale blue).

As for controversy over GM Doo Wai's demonstration of chi projection, chi materialization, and healing and martial application, the powerful healing and martial art applications happened every single day of our training.

One of my classmates, Rashan Khan, Afro-American, a professional bodyguard (Eddie Murphy's for a while; with a street fighting record of 25-and-0, all by knockouts as of 1994) learned GMDW's Iron Palm training and was regularly breaking coconuts at will--lying on the the ground and held in his other hand. I have video footage of this breaking. single fresh coconuts on the ground easily borken, and then two and three coconuts stacked (balanced) vertically, and Rashan would break the bottom one. (he couldn't pick the middle or top coconut to break, however. (The next level, which is still not the highest level, is breaking the coconut suspended mid-air by a string tied around it. I do not know if Mr. Khan achieved that level)

The demonstrations of chi projection and chi materialization aren't that important--and shouldn't even be talked about--for their purpose is only to initiate students and let them know that there is much more to BFP Kung Fu than the physical, muscle-and-bone part of the art.

But since you say that GMDW has been taking drubbing in the forums for past 2 years, I will shed a little light on the matter "chi materialization", which I assume has been subject of argument: In 1992, after doing a special meditation, the Grand Master demonstrated it in two ways--actually, one way--to our entire circle (six of us that day): With light turned off in a pitch-black bathroom, he manifested his energy as a luminous green glow on his fingertips--the exact same color of the green light on a car's dashboard at night. Then, when he told Tino Baguio (one of the students) to turn on the light, white vaporous smoke emanated from his fingertips. (his sleeves were rolled up and his arms were clean--no paint, no devices of any type to fake it.) Six of us saw it. And we were stunned. Throughout this demonstration, there was a very distinctive smell--the same smell that emanates when a person dies and the spirit leaves the body--only it was slightly fresher in smell than that of death. (And yes, I have smelled the dying process, both naturally and unnaturally caused.)

More important than chi materialization was healing
with the chi. And GMDW trained us all to do this by practicing on each other and also on very small living and dead creatures.
The healing method and source of energy: The Flying Phoenix Heavenly Healing Chi Meditations.
That was the YOGA he taught us to do healing (all his senior students before my group had practiced FPHHCM thoroughly and had mastered it). The basic level of FPHHCM is contained in the DVD's I published. GMDW repeatedly emphasized to us that this basic level of FP is enough to effect what most consider miraculous healings...but to us, during our training, it was an everyday occurrence.

Before I started training with GM Doo Wai, I had learned Sifu Share K. Lew's Tan Tan Pai neigong and healing method (Tui Na Accupressure) over 15 years from four of Sifu Lew's senior students at the Taoist Sanctuary in Los Angeles (before it moved to San Diego)--but primarily from his most senior student at the time, John Davidson (whom we nicknamed "our mad taoist priest"). GMDW has been acquainted with Master Lew for decades and knows his healing method and spiritual tradition. One day around 1995, while teaching me healing techniques, GMDW contrasted his healing to Share Lew's healing method in the following exact words:

"We don't manipulate energy...we just pass our hand over."

(Tao Tan Pai practitioners effect healing by reinforcing the energy circulation of the patient with chi projected from the palms moving over the person's aura in the direction of the meridians' energy flow, especially the Jen Mo and Tu Mo, and then (usually using finger-toe diagnosis if one cannot "see" the imbalance), re-circuit energy from the bolex of energy at that particular time of day into the appropriate orb/meridian in order to heal and strengthen the weak or diseased organ/orb/meridian. Flying Phoenix healing, if one has practiced it correctly (and it doesn't even take that long compared to most other systems) is effected by passing the hand over the person. Period. Once I had completed the second level FP meditations, I would regularly be in the presence of friends and family members who were ailing or were suffering from serious disease. It surprised me at first, but I got used to it: when all I would do was focus my attention on a person in passing (who happened to be ill) or just touch him or her, the FP healing energy would spontaneously "jump" off of me and into them, causing a profound healing and rejuvenating experience. They would completely light up and feel well--to their great surprise and amazement.

Note: I'm not here to contest or argue or gossip. The preceding is an account of the effects and the ability gained from my practice of the Flyiing Phoenix Celestial Chi Meditations from 1990 onward. As I said in an earlier posting, normal practice of Flying PHoenix Qigong will cultivate a reserve of healing energy in the body that within a couple months will show up on videotape as an particularly colored aura. And this was the basic "safety net" healing art that GMDW had taught to all his students that I knew in the 90's.

If anyone cannot understand the distinction that GM Doo Wai made in comparing his healing method to Master Share K. Lew's, then he or she does not have the level to judge the validity or effectiveness of any internal system. (Because TTP is somewhat of a "standard" Taoist-Buddhist healing system based on finger-toe diagnosis, yin-yang theory, and 5 -element theory.)

No matter what yogic art one studies--Chinese, Indian, Tibetan, Polynesian, Persian, Western hermetic, Amerindian, African, whatever--if one cannot do effective healing, then one has not practiced enough to --because healing is the EASIEST, MOST BASIC and MOST NATURAL application of energy cultivation. This was what John Davidson, Share K. Lew's senior student, taught us while we were training in the 70's and 80's. And I am passing on this basic performance benchmark to this forum as a reminder.

GM Doo Wai, being practical and philosophical, told us all the time during those years that "healing is the most important thing."


Many Respects,

Terry Dunn



Sifu Terry,

Yes, got you PM did you get my return PM?

The Ying Jow Sup Jee Kol Da Kuen is awesome, it has a 2 man set there is another Eagle claw Sup jee Lo Waan Kuen that is fantastic also. Its great you have come out and giving GMDW respect he has been coping a beating on the forums the last few years I have been in many discussions regarding GMDW. He is a man of great knowledge and internal power, many say he is faked his demo's of chi projection, materializing it, healing, striking and breaking coconuts like butter.

Does the Bot Deem Gum has any tension sets?

I specialize in Burning Palm, Iron Body, Omie Bak Mei (of Bak Fu Pai) very rare, and some othere work that GMDW has asked me to master and teach out under the BFP. His system is very large as you said he collected and swapped for other arts using his system.

kind regards
Garry


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Posted 16 December 2009 - 01:19 PM

Very Nice post Terry. Thank you much for sharing.

I have heard that there are 4 levels to GM Doo Wai's Iron Palm training.

1. Break coconut on the ground.
2. Break coconut hanging from a line/string.
3. Break coconut with it sitting on a piece of Tofu without damaging the tofu.
4. Break coconut from a distance.

Is this accurate?

I am so happy you have had the opportunity of being involved in these systems. It has been my dream. Unfortunately I have wasted much time due to my own fault of listening to someone's advice. Someone who wanted to control the flow of cash into his pockets rather than giving clear, honest advice and direction.

Best regards and wishes.

Bill

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Posted 16 December 2009 - 01:39 PM

Wow, nice stories of teacher!

Sifu Terry,

Ive been defending GMDW as well my students on forums for years, untill people truly try and feel the results of BFP Internal Kung fu / Healing systems they have no idea.

Like yourself you know GMDW, he is the real deal what he taught me works and is very powerful, alot of his family system was never meant for the public and I totally see why. We was on MSN once chatting and he said give me a moment and ill come over and look around and then tell you what your house looks like. The bugger told me 80% which to me is 100% cause it was mostly spot on. Then he said im gonna do something to you in see if you can feel it, with in seconds i felt his palm or a palm burning me. He said this is Burning Palm Power I could send it over distance to kill or to heal! That was it for me I was hooked on Burning Palm Doo Family system, he has given me a true gift of his families knowledge, herbal formulas, healing methods, power training its a complete system within a system.

He is one of the last true, Internal kung fu magicians!!!

Kind regards
Garry

P.S PLease share more stories love them and people need to know who the true GMDW is and was.... :)
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Posted 16 December 2009 - 07:56 PM

Sifu Terry -

Your stories and explanations are fantastic and also quite informative. There is a wow factor to some of your stories...very good reading.

As one who has practiced Flying Phoenix qigong for only about 2 months now, I can attest to the power of the system. When I finish the sets, I feel amazingly refreshed and revitalized with a really strong energy. At least for now, I avoid practicing FP later at night, because the energy created keeps me awake for several hours! It's pretty encouraging to hear what one can expect with a diligent practice of the basic Flying Phoenix sets.

Thanks so much for taking the time to post on this forum. Really excellent stuff!

Lloyd

Edited by Fu_dog, 16 December 2009 - 08:07 PM.


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Posted 18 December 2009 - 10:10 AM

Hi Terry,

I am aware of a lot of the qi gong/nei gong that Share K. Lew teaches (ie. Six stars, Shen Gong, Five Dragons), but there have been very little mentioned about his teachings on Taoist meditation(sitting). Have you had any experiences regarding this specific aspect of his teachings? Thanks.




Hi Taichikk:

the internal training I experienced with Master Share K. Lew and his senior students from mid-70's through early 90's was deeply set in a framework of seated meditation. The training went in this order:
1) Everyone trained in the TTP Kung Fu forms
2) Everyone then learned basic seated meditation, that we called "quiet sitting."
3) After basic forms were mastered, then the Basic 31 meditations were learned. Around the same time, students started learning self-defense applications of the kung-fu forms.
4) We called the Basic 31 and all the more advanced levels of Qigong and Neigong that followed it "the Yoga."
And more important than the Yoga was the Quiet Sitting.
5) My teachers always emphasized--and I continue to teach my students to this day--this maxim:
"No matter what you do, you must do Quiet Sitting".

Quiet sitting grounds and balances everything. Thus if you practice any of the Neigong incorrectly, you won't be harmed (suffer energy sickeness) for long or permanently.

Hope this helps.


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Posted 18 December 2009 - 10:27 AM

Very Nice post Terry. Thank you much for sharing.

I have heard that there are 4 levels to GM Doo Wai's Iron Palm training.

1. Break coconut on the ground.
2. Break coconut hanging from a line/string.
3. Break coconut with it sitting on a piece of Tofu without damaging the tofu.
4. Break coconut from a distance.

Is this accurate?

I am so happy you have had the opportunity of being involved in these systems. It has been my dream. Unfortunately I have wasted much time due to my own fault of listening to someone's advice. Someone who wanted to control the flow of cash into his pockets rather than giving clear, honest advice and direction.

Best regards and wishes.

Bill


Hi Bill,

Just read your post.
when I saw GMDW's iron palm being practiced in the early 90's, these were the standards:
1. Breaking coconut on ground.
2. Breaking coconut held in one's other hand.
3. Breaking coconut hanging from a line/string.
4. Breaking coconut with it sitting on a piece of Tofu without damaging the tofu.

There was no mention of breaking the coconut at a distance.

I saw my classmates easily accomplish levels #1 and #2. I've not seen any of GMDW's students break per levels #3 and #4.

While GM Doo Wai taught his Iron Palm to the most physical and street-fight-prone students, the GM taught me and other students totally different internal systems that are just as powerful but cultivate martial energy that works very, very differently than Iron Palm energy.

Regards,

Terry
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Posted 18 December 2009 - 10:53 AM

Sifu Terry -

Your stories and explanations are fantastic and also quite informative. There is a wow factor to some of your stories...very good reading.

As one who has practiced Flying Phoenix qigong for only about 2 months now, I can attest to the power of the system. When I finish the sets, I feel amazingly refreshed and revitalized with a really strong energy. At least for now, I avoid practicing FP later at night, because the energy created keeps me awake for several hours! It's pretty encouraging to hear what one can expect with a diligent practice of the basic Flying Phoenix sets.

Thanks so much for taking the time to post on this forum. Really excellent stuff!

Lloyd




LLoyd,

Once you get more months of practice of Flying Phoenix under your belt, its energy will be more normalized in your system and won't keep you up at night.

• There is big exception, however:
the very last (6th) seated mediation on Volume 2 of my CKFH DVD series --that has the breath control sequence: 90 80 50 20 -- is a Total Waker-Upper.

All FP practitioners have found that this Meditation will keep one wide-awake for hours--and make it very difficult--if not impossible-- to fall asleep. So make sure you don't do this one at night. (This might be what's been keeping you up!)

• On the end of the spectrum, there is another seated ("Monk Serves Wine") meditation on Volume 7 that has the breath control sequence 50 20 10 that will cause one to sleep deeply and soundly without fail. this med. starts with palms clasped at heart level, then circles right palm our clockwise with arm extended; then Left palm circles out counter-clockwise and comes to Tan Tien underneath right palm (at heart level); both forearms swing forward to 45 degee angle; then fold back to "Sum-how" position (like Monk Gazing at Moon but at chest level). the the palms float down to tan tien, and at the tan tien both palms turn upward, with right palm resting in left. Finally, you pull the palms sideways and apart, touch the backs of the hands together, and both hands rise up the centerline to heart level. Then the palms roll to face each other and are clasped in "prayer" position.

This 50 20 10 seated meditaition will aid sleep. Guaranteed.

Enjoy.

Terry Dunn

P.S. Info on these 2 volumes of "Chi Kung For Health" teaching the seated Flying Phoenix Meditations is found at:
http://www.taichiman...ng_catalog.html

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Posted 18 December 2009 - 11:52 AM

Completely forgot I had the first two tapes (old school VHS). The standing form definitely balances energy well and to say the seated forms open the neck is an understatement. Thanks for the reminder.
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Posted 18 December 2009 - 01:42 PM

I agree with you Sifu Terry, there is many other Internal systems that have completely different energies cultivated through the forms and meds as well breath percentages.

Love to see your Flying Phoenix Sifu Terry, do you have any clips to share?

kind regards
Garry

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Posted 18 December 2009 - 02:26 PM

Hi Terry,
Thanks for taking the time to answer my question. It was very helpful. :P

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Posted 18 December 2009 - 04:25 PM

Completely forgot I had the first two tapes (old school VHS). The standing form definitely balances energy well and to say the seated forms open the neck is an understatement. Thanks for the reminder.




You're welcome, Kameel,

Glad my comments rang a bell and reminded you of how effect both the standing and seated FP meditations are.

If you have the old school VHS tapes of the Flying Phoenix, I would recommend Vols. 5 and 7 of the DVD series. they contain material not on the early VHS programs. Vol. 5 teaches 5 very short but powerful (90second) standing meditations that are just done once each. Vol. 7 teaches 5 Advanced Seated Meditations (Monk serves Wine that will give new meaning to the phrase "brainwashing").

Good luck and enjoy your FP practice!
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Posted 18 December 2009 - 05:52 PM

Hi,

Is this you and your students Sifu Terry?

Garry




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