Spectrum Posted March 4, 2009 (edited) Recognizable Spontaneous Qualities iKEpsJUBnqE Love the Maoist B us @ 1:0B oy Edited March 4, 2009 by Spectrum Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spectrum Posted March 5, 2009 (edited) Spontaneous Crowd Movement Multiple Attackers Reality Bites Note: the position of his head, he never looks down. He turns each attacker away as they enter his ma. Also note the position the attackers take after the first melee. The Line. YiKgtZCfTUU Edited March 5, 2009 by Spectrum Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spectrum Posted March 6, 2009 (edited) Old Skool Spontaneous Health Dance Footage (in love with the film quality footage @ 00:57) aGs6t-jSFvc New School Yi Quan Spontaneous Health Dance (smooth spontaneous calculated: shoulders a little tight: good hips) j2_JAR3StPQ Tai Chi Chi Gung Yi Quan Synthesis (hips a little tight:nice wrist/hand action: nice combinations of classical elements) Dz9xhHoiolA Edited March 6, 2009 by Spectrum Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
xenolith Posted March 6, 2009 Yao is the shizzz!!! Thanks! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
White Wolf Posted March 8, 2009 Hi, I did some research and found some clips and info on spontaneous qigong related from schools from England, UK. I haven't tried any of them yet, just thought you might find it interesting. Theres not much cause it's hard finding those kind of clips on the net. http://www.selfhealing.org.uk Reference to clips: http://www.shaolin.org.uk/en/index.html http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=...007842947302386 http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=...17097&hl=en http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=...29339&hl=en http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=...29339&hl=en Enjoy! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spectrum Posted March 8, 2009 (edited) ahmed20202: This is really interesting. I'm looking at those videos and finding some similarities in some of the animals forms I've been exposed to. Although the heads are down and it's a more subjective experience for them I will find some examples of similarities and post. Great finds. I remember seeing these a few years ago and not immediately dismissing them because of recognizing something vaguely familiar. MLQ3Uz4ALb0 gVcU3eYayco vQEe-6z5UfU Edited March 8, 2009 by Spectrum Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fiveelementtao Posted March 8, 2009 The "Kunun" practice is from Maoshan Pai. This was told to me first by Chris at the last workshop in NJ. I'm not sure this not entirely accurate. I know this is what Chris says, but he is taking what Max said which was that Max believes that his Maoshan and his spontaneous chi kung originally came from the same discipline and lineage but that they became separated over time. That is Max's opinion, not a verifiable fact. I'm not saying it's true or untrue what I'm saying is that Max is not saying this as a historical fact. He mentioned this theory to his Maoshan teacher who told him that it is possible. Max also says that the stuff he knows originally came from aliens. It is a theory, not an actual verifiable fact. The same is true with the assertion that all of Max's kunlun is from Maoshan. The spontaneous qigong of Sifu jenny is (at least now) from a completely different lineage. So Max's Kunlun is a combination of his Maoshan and his spontaneous qigong. and a few other things from different sources. That's my understanding at least.... Someone should ask Sifu Jenny if her spontaneous qigong is from maoshan. I bet you will get a completely different answer. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aetherous Posted March 8, 2009 Sifu Jenny told Cam that her teacher was Maoshan, and so the practice came from that lineage. But we can't really ever be sure the story is accurate can we? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spectrum Posted March 8, 2009 (edited) I found some cool videos of old men dancing today. They are posted above. I liked the old china man, saw some classical elements there. Nothing wrong with getting out and flapping those old wings. It's all there. Really. So please share your photos or videos of spontaneous ie formless movement and it's relationship to form. and likewise, forms relationship to formlessness. good stuff. Sifu Jenny told Cam that her teacher was Maoshan, and so the practice came from that lineage. But we can't really ever be sure the story is accurate can we? Cap'n Crunch Telephony Kids Playing a Game Monkey Hear Say Monkey Seeee Monkey Doo Hey Scotty Beam Me & stf Up Get To The R o o T Edited March 8, 2009 by Spectrum Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fiveelementtao Posted March 8, 2009 Sifu Jenny told Cam that her teacher was Maoshan, and so the practice came from that lineage. But we can't really ever be sure the story is accurate can we? I stand corrected. That is very interesting. did she say if it was Shang Ch'ing? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aetherous Posted March 8, 2009 I'm not sure if it's Shang Ching exactly...this is just hearsay because I saw Cam posted it before. I wasn't there to listen to the conversation, and I don't know if Maoshan is exactly Shang Ching. Spectrum, I recently was thinking of taking another spontaneous video, if I got a good one, but dude come on...you just told me to "stf up". I've never actually been mean to you, so I don't know where all your bitchiness is coming from. Talk to me like a human being instead of whatever concept you have of me, please. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spectrum Posted March 9, 2009 (edited) Spectrum, I recently was thinking of taking another spontaneous video, if I got a good one, but dude come on...you just told me to "stf up". I've never actually been mean to you, so I don't know where all your bitchiness is coming from. Talk to me like a human being instead of whatever concept you have of me, please. & that's not all I said. You missed the point. I'm not trying to be mean to you. Really. I'm doing my best to present as much information in as small of a space as possible. Singling out dualities doesn't mean you have to see the cup half empti. Please. I don't have time to be rude for the sake of being rude. I have not historically been that way, nor do I intend to take it up as a way of expressing myself. If I may ask Xeno here: r u being a dick for calling Max a hjack off artist? I don't think that's mean, I think that means Max is a jack off artist. Literally. lol. I understand empathetically you seem grounded, acting the part of the samaritan, I understand, unfortunately for me, I don't have time to dick around. No pun intended. lol. really. I'm laughing. It's funny. Life is to short. Lets get the wordk done and enjoy a good meal as friends. Edited March 9, 2009 by Spectrum Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cameron Posted March 9, 2009 Sifu Jenny told me her teacher in China is Maoshan. She is still researching the practice herself. she is a Scholar so isn't going to say much without doing alot of homework first. Cam Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jadelily Posted March 9, 2009 Max also says that the stuff he knows originally came from aliens. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spectrum Posted March 9, 2009 (edited) Sifu Jenny told me her teacher in China is Maoshan. She is still researching the practice herself. she is a Scholar so isn't going to say much without doing alot of homework first. Cam Do you like honey in your tea Camomile? Rumor has it some of Maxs teachers arn't from around these parts. Who what when where why. Jenny is no acception. Maxie is leading you on. Those who follow chase. Stand Firm. Formlessness works out the yah yahs, once that's done, its wise to start punching the bag everyonce in a while. That way you don't lose ground. xoxo To stay on topic: Can anyone think of a spontaneous time when you come up on k-1? Edited March 9, 2009 by Spectrum Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aetherous Posted March 9, 2009 Lets get the wordk done and enjoy a good meal as friends. Sounds good to me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cameron Posted March 9, 2009 I feel Kunlun most all of the time. But it's mostly internal. When I sit down to practice after seeing Jenny my movements have opened up alot. Best wishes to everyone Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fiveelementtao Posted March 9, 2009 I'm not sure if it's Shang Ching exactly...this is just hearsay because I saw Cam posted it before. I wasn't there to listen to the conversation, and I don't know if Maoshan is exactly Shang Ching. Shang Ch'ing is the original Mao Shan, but not all Mao Shan is Shang Ch'ing... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cameron Posted March 9, 2009 (edited) Hey SpiritTao, Those are really questions you should adress to Jenny in person if you see her. Or you might try and email her and explain your backround. I think it would be better if the Kunlun questions stop here and definetly stop on this thread. It is Spectrum's thread about Spontaneous Movement after all. I think the videos he has put up here are great. That last one with the old man is a blast! Cam Edited March 9, 2009 by Cameron Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spectrum Posted March 9, 2009 (edited) I feel Kunlun most all of the time. But it's mostly internal. When I sit down to practice after seeing Jenny my movements have opened up alot. Best wishes to everyone Cam could you describe that feeling? Has it changed or transformed how you spontaneously deal with problem solving day to day? Edited March 9, 2009 by Spectrum Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cameron Posted March 9, 2009 (edited) Like how you felt on Christmas morning as a kid only for no apparent reason Energetically it feels like a profound joyful feeling that seemes to emerge from the tan tiens. It's empty or rather the space the feeling comes from feels empty but full of energy. The sense of a deep harmony and connection existing between "inside" and "outside" is also there. Like the old metaphor, feeling like a drop of water in the ocean. Connected, loving. I had similar feelings with standing meditation and zazen which I did for years. But Kunlun practice feels more amplified. Like you just can't fight the feeling or make it go away. There is also a powerful magnetic aspect to it. But the main thing that has arisen in my spontaneous Kunlun practice since seeing Jenny is much greater feeling of connection with the feminine aspect. Edited March 11, 2009 by Cameron Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fiveelementtao Posted March 9, 2009 I think it would be better if the Kunlun questions stop here and definetly stop on this thread. It is Spectrum's thread ??? I was responding to someone else's answer to someone else's question... I didn't bring up the kunlun issue. I also didn't realize that people could own threads... Last time I checked, kunlun IS spontaneous movement. I think I have as much right to follow the flow of a thread as the next person and ask questions that are brought up from within the thread. Things are getting very wierd and pissy around here lately.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cameron Posted March 9, 2009 Sorry man. I meant since you have actual, personal training in Maoshan it would be a waste of time for me to talk about it with you. You would need to ask her about it. You can post anywhere and as much as you like of course. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
