New Sub-Forum/Discussion Proposal

[oak]

I would like to propose a new sub-forum/discussion dedicated to native African religions or indigenous religions/belief systems in general. I'm sure that unlike me there are people who have immense knowledge on the subject and the desire to share that knowledge. What do you think?

[oak]

 

[Nungali]

 

 

 

[oak]

9 hours ago, Nungali said:

 

 

 

 

Tell me about the flag, I don't have a  clue.

[Apech]

I'm not against the idea although I'm not sure it would get much traffic.  Also what counts as 'indigenous' given I am indigenous to England ... would that count?  Maybe it would be better to have threads in Western Esoteric on Native American, African, Aboriginal beliefs?

 

[oak]

19 minutes ago, Apech said:

I'm not against the idea although I'm not sure it would get much traffic.  Also what counts as 'indigenous' given I am indigenous to England ... would that count?  Maybe it would be better to have threads in Western Esoteric on Native American, African, Aboriginal beliefs?

 

 

Indigenous was the word that came to my mind not to use others that might be offensive. Not the perfect adjective, indeed.

Makes sense what you propose Apech. If the threads have any meaningful traffic then, we could consider a discussion sub-forum.

 

[Apech]

4 minutes ago, oak said:

 

Indigenous was the word that came to my mind not to use others that might be offensive. Not the perfect adjective, indeed.

Makes sense what you propose Apech. If the threads have any meaningful traffic then, we could consider a discussion sub-forum.

 

 

 

Yeah its a funny word which seems to have changed meaning.  Maybe we could use it if we do decide to set up a sub. Look forward to see what others think.

 

 

[steve]

 

50 minutes ago, Apech said:

I'm not against the idea although I'm not sure it would get much traffic. 

 

I would bet there would be more traffic, and less contention, than the new Neidan forum.

About the only discussion there has been debate over Winn and Chia and an attempt to list legitimate schools.

 

50 minutes ago, Apech said:

Also what counts as 'indigenous' given I am indigenous to England ... would that count? 

 

I think we could come up with a workable definition.

You are indigenous to England but would not count because you are not a religion or belief system.

Although some of us believe you are divine...

 

 

50 minutes ago, Apech said:

 

Maybe it would be better to have threads in Western Esoteric on Native American, African, Aboriginal beliefs?

 

Western? When the Western world encounters indigenous belief systems it tends to denigrate or eradicate them, then a century or so later name their sports clubs, autos, and restaurants after them... They are certainly not geographically limited to the West. The are esoteric and occult, but not really what was intended to be the subject of the Esoteric and Occult sub-forum here, I don't think.

 

I would like to suggest they be honored and respected by having their own sub-forum or left in General Discussion.

 

 

 

[Apech]

1 hour ago, steve said:

 

 

I would bet there would be more traffic, and less contention, than the new Neidan forum.

About the only discussion there has been debate over Winn and Chia and an attempt to list legitimate schools.

 

 

I think we could come up with a workable definition.

You are indigenous to England but would not count because you are not a religion or belief system.

Although some of us believe you are divine...

 

 

 

Western? When the Western world encounters indigenous belief systems it tends to denigrate or eradicate them, then a century or so later name their sports clubs, autos, and restaurants after them... They are certainly not geographically limited to the West. The are esoteric and occult, but not really what was intended to be the subject of the Esoteric and Occult sub-forum here, I don't think.

 

I would like to suggest they be honored and respected by having their own sub-forum or left in General Discussion.

 

 

 

Can I have suggestions for the best title?

 

Indigenous belief systems?

 

Native religions?

 

????

[oak]

36 minutes ago, Apech said:

Can I have suggestions for the best title?

 

Indigenous belief systems?

 

Native religions?

 

????

 

I like the world PRIMAL

Primal Wisdom, Primal knowledge, religion, beliefs...

There you go 🙂

[Taomeow]

6 hours ago, Apech said:

I am indigenous to England

 

A Briton?  

 

I find it intriguing that long before some British migrated to America, in the 4th century some Britons migrated to Armorica.  Where they renamed Armorica Brittany.  And became a special kind of French who call themselves Bretons. 

 

Straight from some sci-fi plot with parallel timelines, spacetime paradoxes and the like.  

 

P.S. Apologies all around for an off-topic tangent.  This really belongs in my Stranger Things thread.  

Edited 18 hours ago by Taomeow

[oak]

32 minutes ago, Taomeow said:

 

I find it intriguing that long before some British migrated to America, in the 4th century some Britons migrated to Armorica.  Where they renamed Armorica Brittany.  And became a special kind of French who call themselves Bretons. 

 

Surely the cause must have been what was inside the barrel...

 

[Cobie]

5 hours ago, Apech said:

Can I have suggestions for the best title?

Indigenous traditions.

 

 

 

Edited 17 hours ago by Cobie

[Apech]

20 minutes ago, Cobie said:

Indigenous traditions.

 

 

 

I like this one 

[Nungali]

13 hours ago, oak said:

 

Tell me about the flag, I don't have a  clue.

 

  Australian Aboriginal flag ;  Black sky, yellow sun , red earth .

 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_Aboriginal_flag

 

'Official' ;

 

 

 

[Nungali]

8 hours ago, Apech said:

I'm not against the idea although I'm not sure it would get much traffic.  Also what counts as 'indigenous' given I am indigenous to England ... would that count?  Maybe it would be better to have threads in Western Esoteric on Native American, African, Aboriginal beliefs?

 

 

What is wrong with indigenous English  ?    You could instruct us on the wonders of black pudding and baked beans for breakfast . 

 

Or how your Great Great Great .... G G G G G G......  Grandfather walked from Stonehenge to Skara Brae  

[Haribol]

4 minutes ago, Nungali said:

 

  Australian Aboriginal flag ;  Black sky, yellow sun , red earth .

 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_Aboriginal_flag

 

'Official' ;

 

 

 

Here is Sami one:

Blue part of the circle is moon, red part sun

Edited 16 hours ago by Haribol

[Apech]

I've asked the other mods if they are ok with this.  Just waiting for any comments.

[oak]

34 minutes ago, Haribol said:

Here is Sami one:

Blue part of the circle is moon, red part sun

 

Very interesting stuff. Didn't know about the Sami. Thanks @Haribol

 

[Haribol]

59 minutes ago, oak said:

 

Very interesting stuff. Didn't know about the Sami. Thanks @Haribol

 

My aunt is one. I’m no expert in the slightest of their spirituality, and sad part; it seems to be mostly dead to them as well. Lived realtivley peacefully together until the 17-1800s when some good souls decided to give them the one and only truth of the one true God, and save them from an eternity of hellfire. So some were burned alive instead, to compensate uknow. But in pre Christian times escpecially there was great respect, perfect fear, for their precieved magic ability. 
 

I read this book called tracing old Norse cosmology a while ago. Hardly remember anything, but there seems to have been quite a bit of mutual influence between the two world vies. Only natural, considering how long we lived alongside each other. I also think we have a little bit of a biased move about how various regions connect to each other. If you look at a map and the rivers and terrain you will see that traveling/trading etc. with the steppe and the east is just as accessible as any other direction.

 

Anyhow, the time prior to being showed the light (17-1800s) they refer to simply as the age of the drum. Here is pic of one of the shaman drums:

 

This would have been beaten rythmically while chanting, very possibly with the aid of the Amanita mushroom 🍄 filtered trough reindeer urine in order to enter the spirit realm. The design on each drum is unique and is believed to represent the personal experience of the shaman trough the spirit realm. Curious that Santa is dressed in red and white and travels on flying reindeers delivering gifts, no? Anyhow, enjoy:

 

edit:

The above is called joik. Sami chantig that is. No words, just sounds. Throwing in some folk music from the faraoes (settled by Norwegians, their language however is believed to resemble old Norse to a significant greater degree than the Scandinavian ones). Here words are used, but rhythmic drum and chanting as well as you can hear:

 

Edited 15 hours ago by Haribol

[oak]

8 hours ago, Haribol said:

My aunt is one. I’m no expert in the slightest of their spirituality, and sad part; it seems to be mostly dead to them as well. Lived realtivley peacefully together until the 17-1800s when some good souls decided to give them the one and only truth of the one true God, and save them from an eternity of hellfire. So some were burned alive instead, to compensate uknow. But in pre Christian times escpecially there was great respect, perfect fear, for their precieved magic ability. 
 

I read this book called tracing old Norse cosmology a while ago. Hardly remember anything, but there seems to have been quite a bit of mutual influence between the two world vies. Only natural, considering how long we lived alongside each other. I also think we have a little bit of a biased move about how various regions connect to each other. If you look at a map and the rivers and terrain you will see that traveling/trading etc. with the steppe and the east is just as accessible as any other direction.

 

Anyhow, the time prior to being showed the light (17-1800s) they refer to simply as the age of the drum. Here is pic of one of the shaman drums:

 

This would have been beaten rythmically while chanting, very possibly with the aid of the Amanita mushroom 🍄 filtered trough reindeer urine in order to enter the spirit realm. The design on each drum is unique and is believed to represent the personal experience of the shaman trough the spirit realm. Curious that Santa is dressed in red and white and travels on flying reindeers delivering gifts, no? Anyhow, enjoy:

 

edit:

The above is called joik. Sami chantig that is. No words, just sounds. Throwing in some folk music from the faraoes (settled by Norwegians, their language however is believed to resemble old Norse to a significant greater degree than the Scandinavian ones). Here words are used, but rhythmic drum and chanting as well as you can hear:

 

 

Going to be real busy in the next 24 hrs but I promise to give more attention and comment on your post later.

[Apech]

I have attempted to set up the sub forum 'Indigenous Traditions' but have hit some technical difficulties (based around I don't know what I'm doing).  I have asked for help.

 

Please remain calm during this period of transition, remain in your homes, drink plenty of water and breathe deeply.