evil running wild in the world

[zerostao]

10 minutes ago, old3bob said:

 

is it really possible to be kind/aka non-violent while killing somebody, as Krishna  more or less taught before the great and bloody slaughter of battle in recounted in the Bhagavad Gita took place?

 

 

That is a fascinating account. I'm not killing somebody, I'm having kind thoughts in the midst of the dark swirling turmoil, turbulences, in the atmosphere right now 

[old3bob]

1 minute ago, liminal_luke said:

 

In the interest of preventing war, I try not to get into dietary debates with hard core vegetarians.  

 

but while drinking vegetarian beer together that should not be to hard?

[zerostao]

I'm no Buddhist, isn't there a quote along the lines of "With our thoughts we make our world"

?

[liminal_luke]

1 minute ago, old3bob said:

 

but while drinking vegetarian beer together that should not be to hard?

 

Beer drinking is a mostly peaceable activity -- as long as nobody brings Bud Light.  

[old3bob]

2 minutes ago, zerostao said:

 

That is a fascinating account. I'm not killing somebody, I'm having kind thoughts in the midst of the dark swirling turmoil, turbulences, in the atmosphere right now 

 

well there is the case of having kind thoughts while somebody may be killing you,  like Mahatma Gandhi had. (a rare case)

[zerostao]

1 minute ago, old3bob said:

 

well there is the case of having kind thoughts while somebody may be killing you,  like Mahatma Gandhi had. (a rare case)

 

Truly Heroic and Highly Spiritual

/\ /\

[old3bob]

Just now, liminal_luke said:

 

Beer drinking is a mostly peaceable activity -- as long as nobody brings Bud Light.  

 

what? i like Bud light but Modelo more.

[liminal_luke]

3 minutes ago, old3bob said:

 

what? i like Bud light but Modelo more.

 

If we ever have occasion to drink beer together -- and I think it would be fun -- I´ll be sure to bring Modelo.  Goes well with chips and guacamole.

[old3bob]

17 minutes ago, zerostao said:

 

Truly Heroic and Highly Spiritual

/\ /\

 

and Jesus saying the following about the humans who crucified him, "Forgive them Father they know not what they do".  But he was not so kind when speaking to or about demonic beings in Revelations and elsewhere.  Is that something some well meaning Christian's don't understand and thus also try to apply forgiveness to demonic forces? 

Edited 21 hours ago by old3bob

[old3bob]

 

Btw Lord Rama didn't forgive King Ravana but Ravana apparently came to the realization that  it was good that was killed by Rama..."its a strange, strange world Master Jack". 

 

Edited 21 hours ago by old3bob

[Nungali]

1 hour ago, old3bob said:

 

but while drinking vegetarian beer together that should not be to hard?

 

By drinking Bovril  I stop that war . 

[Nungali]

1 hour ago, liminal_luke said:

 

Beer drinking is a mostly peaceable activity -- as long as nobody brings Bud Light.  

That ... depends on the amount ; 

 

1 - 3  ( for the majority )  = 

 

 

5+  = 

 

 

Of course one can mix excessive drinking with   eastern practices   =  

 

 

 

( better to drunken fight  against ....... no one who is there    

[Nungali]

1 hour ago, old3bob said:

 

what? i like Bud light but Modelo more.

 

Yes ... but you 'seek the light '   .      

[zerostao]

47 minutes ago, old3bob said:

 

and Jesus saying the following about the humans who crucified him, "Forgive them Father they know not what they do".  But he was not so kind when speaking to or about demonic beings in Revelations and elsewhere.  Is that something some well meaning Christian's don't understand and thus also try to apply forgiveness to demonic forces? 

 

I thought about posting this on @Haribol

thread Spiritual Warfare, 

There is more to it than choosing a side, right?

 

[Nungali]

59 minutes ago, liminal_luke said:

 

If we ever have occasion to drink beer together -- and I think it would be fun -- I´ll be sure to bring Modelo.  Goes well with chips and guacamole.

 

Hmmm ... guacamole is good with a bit of beer added .... but dont add a spoonful of guac to your glass of beer .... that would indeed become 'evil' . 

 

And only recommended for an 'Aussie chunder contest ' 

 

( look it up if you are game ) 

[Nungali]

7 minutes ago, zerostao said:

 

I thought about posting this on @Haribol

thread Spiritual Warfare, 

There is more to it than choosing a side, right?

 

 

I chose the side of the 'White Lodge '      

 

'' LET IT BE KNOWN that there exists, unknown to the great crowd, a very ancient Order of sages, whose object is the amelioration and spiritual evolution of mankind by means of conquering error and aiding men and women in their efforts of attaining the power of recognising the truth. This Order has existed already in the most remote times and it has manifested its activity secretly and openly in the world under different names and in various forms: it has caused social and political revolutions and proved to be the rock of salvation in times of danger and misfortune. It has always upheld the banner of freedom against tyranny in whatever shape this appeared, whether as clerical or political or social despotism or oppression of any kind.

 

To this “secret order” every wise and spiritually enlightened person belongs by right of his or her nature: because they all, even if they are personally unknown to each other, are one in their purpose and object and they all work under the guidance of the one light of truth. Into this Sacred Society no one can be admitted by another unless he has the power to enter it himself by virtue of his own interior illumination, neither can anyone after he has once entered be expelled unless he should expel himself by becoming unfaithful to his principles and forget again the truths which he has learned by his own experience. ''

 

[kakapo]

20 hours ago, zerostao said:

 

Then the devil played another trick; convincing the the world there was only one devil.

 

 

Ah folks see it. How could it be invisible?

It's been broadcasted non-stop to the point, folks have become desensitized to it.

 

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"Rocking the boat" causes collateral damage as well. It isn't that folks are scared and weak, it is a sobering situation, and needs addressed in a way not rushed, which plays into the elites hands.

 

Oh, shit, did I equate elites with evil?!

Not necessarily, although,,,

 

 

Don't hold your breath on everyone uniting as one. 

 

 

There are small groups that have stated objectives of holding accountable the ones who are dangled by the strings. The ones dangling and tugged by those strings are the truly weak. 

These intrigues are often inside jobs and border on the political fringes 

What usually happens in times like these, when the curtain has been drawn open and evil takes off its mask, is the world is dragged into major war.

The 4th generation theory 

Because it is held by the elites that after a big war,  folks can be controlled for three generations.

 

Civil wars prevent revolution.

 

Evil has carefully constructed presumably safe haven hideouts to weather the coming storm and the rest of us face horrendous odds of merely surviving.

Let alone, feel good about it.

 

There was a mural I was shown in 1978, in an air force  hardened bunker,9 forecasting today's landscape and the coming aftermath; there was a caption: 

"The living will envy the dead"

 

Apologies everyone for posting this.

And, sometimes perhaps, predictive murals get it wrong.

There is always hope.

 

There are already places where there is no room for the faint of heart. Perhaps coming soon to a location near you.

 

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Set at the precipice of world war one; some mysterious elusive phantom madman as the evil behind the madness.

 

After two world wars in the past century, the mystery no longer remains. The question of elusive remains.

 

 

So, there could be some facsimile of a grand uprising. They do occur, rarely.

Civil wars, mixed with the larger war mostly. Every now and then a true revolution.

 

My approach is on the side of choosing to be Meek. Not to be confused with weak.

A holistic grass roots effort, emphasizing kindness and service to the poor and downtrodden.i deliver meals to disabled seniors  it is a little thing. But enough little things by those on the other side of the spectrum than the elite, do add up.

 

"Ah folks see it. How could it be invisible?"

 

“The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.”

-George Orwell 1984

 

“There are two ways to be fooled. One is to believe what isn't true; the other is to refuse to believe what is true.”
― Soren Kierkegaard 

 

It happens when people value their feelings over facts. As Kierkegaard suggested, we are fooled not just by lies, but by our refusal to see what is true.

 

Most people lead with emotion. They decide how they feel first, then find reasons to justify it.

 

Historical examples, like the manipulation of the German public through the Lügenpresse narrative, show how easily people can be trained to ignore reality. When you are told the truth is "disinformation," you stop seeing it entirely.

 

“If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing.”

― Malcolm X

 

I lived through this when a coworker used DARVO (Deny, Attack, and Reverse Victim and Offender) to flip the script on me. After I requested a witness for our meetings, they painted me as the harasser.

 

The lie took hold instantly: HR kicked me out without a hearing, my friends blocked me, and even the woman I was dating disappeared after they spoke with her.

 

This is the power of a charismatic false narrative. It creates a self-reinforcing loop where the crowd becomes certain of a lie, rendering the actual truth invisible to everyone but the person being silenced.

Edited 8 hours ago by kakapo

[old3bob]

 

we have not even touched a on a fraction of destructive and evil greed that is harming the Earth's eco-systems and all the creatures that live in them including ourselves!   As for many animals like cows and chickens and the way they are often treated,  it's truly a nightmare that many of us consume without thinking much about it....until careless contamination of same causes sickness or even death among us! (along with vibrations of fear and suffering that result form many animals are put through which is then hormonally transferred into their flesh)  I have been a vegetarian on and off but I'm just as guilty as many are when it comes to not demanding the best possible kosher like practices and or more humane like treatment of animals used for food.  The FDA and other related parties are pretty much bought and sold by big companies to increase their profits to the max.  

 

 

Edited 17 hours ago by old3bob

[stirling]

4 hours ago, Nungali said:

But I tried drinking tea to stop the war  .... didnt work   .

 

 

   

 

Which war were you working on, and where is it happening, that's the question. 

[Nungali]

4 hours ago, stirling said:

 

Which war were you working on, and where is it happening, that's the question. 

 

 

Edited 13 hours ago by Nungali

[Apech]

19 hours ago, steve said:

 

Just like the gods and goddesses, I see these more as convenient anthropomorphic representations of human qualities and characteristics and of unexplainable natural phenomena. Some positive (gods and goddesses) and some negative (demons). I’m not afraid to use the terms but I think they are less necessary and less meaningful in the context of modern knowledge. 

 

@steve that's interesting but I believe you may have made some category errors.  Some representations are anthropomorphic but that does not mean that the thing being represented is 'human' (depending on what human means I suppose).  There are entities at all levels of reality but we see them through human eyes and with human minds.  Also natural phenomena are not 'unexplainable' but may be 'unexplained' in some cases.  I suspect you think that the world populated by non-human entities is a fantasy of primitive thought because it does not equate to your scientific preconceptions.  Actually it is the more normal view and truer for that.  Given the practice which I know you follow you might want to revisit how you are conceptualising all this.

 

Peace.

 

A.

 

 

[kakapo]

11 hours ago, kakapo said:

 

 

13 minutes ago, Apech said:

 

@steve that's interesting but I believe you may have made some category errors.  Some representations are anthropomorphic but that does not mean that the thing being represented is 'human' (depending on what human means I suppose).  There are entities at all levels of reality but we see them through human eyes and with human minds.  Also natural phenomena are not 'unexplainable' but may be 'unexplained' in some cases.  I suspect you think that the world populated by non-human entities is a fantasy of primitive thought because it does not equate to your scientific preconceptions.  Actually it is the more normal view and truer for that.  Given the practice which I know you follow you might want to revisit how you are conceptualising all this.

 

Peace.

 

A.

 

 

 

There is a story they tell in the lineage I follow, about WW2 being caused by literal demons possessing the minds of German leadership, shaping the way they thought and saw reality. 

 

I have absolutely no idea if that is true, but it is an interesting story.  

 

I can say I have met with people in real life, and recently who told me they were salivating (their words), to start killing certain groups of people.  

 

Those comments, that they were hungry to kill other people, makes me wonder if there isn't more to that story.

[old3bob]

2 hours ago, Apech said:

 

@steve that's interesting but I believe you may have made some category errors.  Some representations are anthropomorphic but that does not mean that the thing being represented is 'human' (depending on what human means I suppose).  There are entities at all levels of reality but we see them through human eyes and with human minds.  Also natural phenomena are not 'unexplainable' but may be 'unexplained' in some cases.  I suspect you think that the world populated by non-human entities is a fantasy of primitive thought because it does not equate to your scientific preconceptions.  Actually it is the more normal view and truer for that.  Given the practice which I know you follow you might want to revisit how you are conceptualising all this.

 

Peace.

 

A.

 

 

I'd say it is correct that various Beings in existence, for example those operating in: the lower,  middle,  and upper astral, the causal and or any other names or realms per different terminologies should not be written off as only being some kind of projections by humans...for imo it should only take some undeniable glimpses of such by us humans to realize that.  (along with seeing and feeling  the outer results of their actions whether divine or demonic which there are reams of witness to over thousands of years, including from the historic Buddha Himself in parts of well recognized Buddhist doctrine.

Edited 6 hours ago by old3bob

[steve]

2 hours ago, Apech said:

 

@steve that's interesting but I believe you may have made some category errors.  Some representations are anthropomorphic but that does not mean that the thing being represented is 'human' (depending on what human means I suppose).  There are entities at all levels of reality but we see them through human eyes and with human minds.  Also natural phenomena are not 'unexplainable' but may be 'unexplained' in some cases.  I suspect you think that the world populated by non-human entities is a fantasy of primitive thought because it does not equate to your scientific preconceptions.  Actually it is the more normal view and truer for that.  Given the practice which I know you follow you might want to revisit how you are conceptualising all this.

 

Peace.

 

A.

 

 

 

Yeah, I've probably got it all wrong.

Peace

[old3bob]

22 hours ago, Master Logray said:

 

If you imply there is only 1 evil, then I would disagree.   There are big evils, small evils, outward evils, hidden evils, latent evils....  All these change all the time.  And all of us are or have evil inside us too.    If everyone has god nature, then everyone should have evil nature.  It is just the level that matters.   

 

the horn of the Rhino does not or can not pierce some of us...(my paraphrase from a T.T.C. chapter)