What do you think about Neidan(內丹)?

[DynamicEquilibrium]

 

26 minutes ago, ChiDragon said:

Yes, 刑不勝正.

So 依法不依人 could also help isn't it ? 

[DynamicEquilibrium]

43 minutes ago, Cobie said:

 

 

@DynamicEquilibrium could you please answer the question from your heart in one line.

 

 

一言止殺

[ChiDragon]

2 minutes ago, DynamicEquilibrium said:

So 依法不依人 could also help isn't it ? 

 

刑不勝正

Haha, that was a typo. It seems to come out that way.

[DynamicEquilibrium]

34 minutes ago, ChiDragon said:

 

刑不勝正

Haha, that was a typo. It seems to come out that way.

Yes, we have an outcome that way haha! 👻

 

Do you know 'macropodus Hongkongensis'? It is a very resilient fish with a nature describded as 'as peaceful and calm as flowing water, but as vivid and lively as jumping rabbits.' 

It really has an indomitable spirit, in extreme environment with low oxygen concentration, it still show perseverance to protect young fishes. It fights with courage and determination, but never with flaunting superiority over other species.

 

 

 

Edited Friday at 11:15 PM by DynamicEquilibrium

[ChiDragon]

11 hours ago, Apech said:

Neigong is just as qigong but without so much of the physical movement.

 

Yes, basically, that is what it is. Neigong is like standing at a Zhan Zhuang position with breathing. Qigong may be practiced by sitting or laying down with breathing. Another way for Qigong is practiced with physical movement and breathing. The good examples for Qigong are Taiji, Xing Yi, Bagua and etc. However, the only requirement is to practice slow to moderate speed. The goal is to reach the realm of abdominal or LDT breathing. Hereinafter, the LTD breathing should become the normal breathing habit at all times, besides during the practice. 

The constant of the abdominal breathing is like given one to practice Qigong all the time. Hence, it is not limited to be practiced at one time nor one place but all the time. Do you know how effective that could be  making your body health and strong.  That the power of practicing Qigong and Neigon.  

Now let's look at the method of Neidan. It was practiced by sitting at zazen position with LDT breathing. It has the same purpose of reaching the goal as in Qigong, Neigong. Finally, we have the Neigong practice is by standing, Neidan is by sitting and Qigong is by moving. 

Now I think I have a better understanding of each method. Before, I wasn't as clear as today. I am glad that I have initiated the OP.

 

Edited Saturday at 12:10 AM by ChiDragon

[Cobie]

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Edited Saturday at 12:33 AM by Cobie

[ChiDragon]

1 hour ago, DynamicEquilibrium said:

Do you know 'macropodus Hongkongensis'?

https://share.google/DllN8QiOMVdcg0yay

[DynamicEquilibrium]

6 hours ago, Cobie said:

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You always transform words into a period mark bearly visible, this is a powerful symbol to me. 

 

 

[ChiDragon]

3 hours ago, DynamicEquilibrium said:

You always transform words into a period mark bearly visible, this is a powerful symbol to me. 

 

She is the period mark beauty queen here. 

[DynamicEquilibrium]

46 minutes ago, ChiDragon said:

 

She is the period mark beauty queen here. 

Oh really? My bad, i thought she was a sturdy yet quite effiminate he.

Edited Saturday at 10:54 AM by DynamicEquilibrium

[ChiDragon]

6 minutes ago, DynamicEquilibrium said:

Oh really? My bad, I thought she was a sturdy yet quite effiminate he.

 

Well, that too!

[Antares]

11 hours ago, ChiDragon said:

Now let's look at the method of Neidan. It was practiced by sitting at zazen position with LDT breathing.

if u mean this:

气 + 米 —> 氣 

air + rice —> qi 

oxygen  + food  —> energy

 

this is post-heaven qi, nothing to do with Neidan

[ChiDragon]

12 minutes ago, Antares said:

if u mean this:

气 + 米 —> 氣 

air + rice —> qi 

oxygen  + food  —> energy

 

this is post-heaven qi, nothing to do with Neidan

Yes, postnatal Qi feeds the prenatal QI. The purpose of Neidan is to use the postnatal Qi to vitalize the prenatal Qi. 

Since you are asking logical questions, I am glad to discuss this with you!

Edited Saturday at 11:13 AM by ChiDragon

[Antares]

7 minutes ago, ChiDragon said:

The purpose of Neidan is to use the postnatal Qi to vitalize the prenatal Qi. 

This is the purpose of Yangshengong, and it can't vitalize yuan qi since it just balances post heaven qi so that you will need less yuan qi usage to maintain post heaven in healthy conditions

Edited Saturday at 11:12 AM by Antares

[DynamicEquilibrium]

25 minutes ago, ChiDragon said:

 

Well, that too!

It's ok in 2025 to confuse everything. 

One time in China someone approached me and asked me if i was an artist ? I said yes, i'm a martial artist. It solved the confusion immediately 😁

Edited Saturday at 11:21 AM by DynamicEquilibrium

[ChiDragon]

10 minutes ago, Antares said:

This is the purpose of Yangshengong, and it can't vitalize yuan qi since it just balances post heaven qi so that you will need less yuan qi usage to maintain post heaven in healthy conditions

 

It seems you have your logic reversed. It is the other way around. The yuan qi(元氣) is passive. The postnatal is active. The yuan qi will die without the support of postnatal qi.

 

Let me make it clearer. Yuen qi is the source of the body structure. It needs postnatal qi, such as food and oxygen.

Edited Saturday at 11:27 AM by ChiDragon

[Antares]

5 minutes ago, ChiDragon said:

The yuan qi(元氣) is passive. 

Yuan qi is part of Ming and this is Yang, the goal of Neidan to obtain Single Yang

[ChiDragon]

1 minute ago, Antares said:

Yuan qi is part of Ming and this is Yang, the goal of Neidan to obtain Single Yang

I don't understand the way of the terminology that you are using. What is your definition of ming? Yang? Single yang?

[DynamicEquilibrium]

1 hour ago, ChiDragon said:

The purpose of Neidan is to use the postnatal Qi to vitalize the prenatal Qi. 

借假修真是吧？ 

[Antares]

59 minutes ago, ChiDragon said:

What is your definition of ming? Yang? Single yang?

I propose you to read daoist texts before starting new thread on Neidan

First read, investigate then teach other people

[Cobie]

 

5 hours ago, DynamicEquilibrium said:

... he.

 

5 hours ago, ChiDragon said:

She ...

 

I’m the chimera, the harmonious balance of opposites.  

 

 

Edited Saturday at 03:52 PM by Cobie

[steve]

On 12/8/2025 at 7:55 PM, ChiDragon said:

I have been hearing that lot of newcomers that they have practicing or practiced Neidan. It just dawned on me with curiosity.  How people do their practice or what they think that is? I would to hear their comments before I introduce the original Taoist method of Neidan.

 

Hi @ChiDragon,

I have a genuine question for you. I don't mean any disrespect but your answer will help me understand your positions related to neidan. I believe you've posted here that you have studied taijiquan with a teacher at some point. My questions is, have you ever studied neidan or other forms of neigong (other than taijiquan) with a teacher? If so, can you share what system or lineage?

I'm trying to understand where the "original Taoist method of Neidan" is coming from.

Thank you

[ChiDragon]

3 hours ago, steve said:

 

Hi @ChiDragon,

I have a genuine question for you. I don't mean any disrespect but your answer will help me understand your positions related to neidan. I believe you've posted here that you have studied taijiquan with a teacher at some point. My questions is, have you ever studied neidan or other forms of neigong (other than taijiquan) with a teacher? If so, can you share what system or lineage?

I'm trying to understand where the "original Taoist method of Neidan" is coming from.

Thank you

 

No problem. You may ask me anything. I will not be upset. 

 Thank you for the question. Yes, learning a method is important to know where the original concept came from. It is safe for me the say that all Qigong, Neigong, Neidan and Taiji are came from the same concept originated from TCM. 

 

TCM Started with the concept of 炁(气), chi. It is a matter, not energy. When the radical 米 added to 气 become 氣. Somehow, 氣 was used to describe lots of concepts. Such as prenatal chi, postnatal chi. This begin with the human body. Then go into the organs. 

 

Let's begin with the preservation of the body. The mainly concern of Taoist is longevity. They had came up with the idea of making external pill to preserve life known as external alchemy, 外丹. Somehow they failed. After that, that is when Neidan, 內丹 comes into play. This involves with the three treasures, 精氣神. The Taoist thought preserving these three treasures was by the cultivation with Neidan. The idea of Neidan is by using the postnatal chi to nourishing the prenatal chi by LDT breathing. 

 

This is where the original concept came from. I have enough said on the subject on the forum. I don't think I should repeat myself here. By knowing this concept, if I read about any method, they all referred to this concept. However, the description of the methods may be different, but they cannot stay away from the concept, the concept of LDT breathing.

If you don't know or don't believe in the concept, then no matter what you read, who you learned from, or what you practice, it may or may not get the full result as intended. 

Before I practice Taiji I didn't realize how important the breathing was. I had only accomplished half way. When I become familiar the concept of TCM and the LDT breathing method, I have acquired the full benefit of Taiji. The concept of LDT breathing is all over the internet. The Neidan is loud and clear calling out the LDT breading method. The most current definition of Neidan breathing is the reverse LDT breathing. I have took mental note of that. In addition, I always update myself with new valuable information as they come along. BTW This is always the cultivation of 性 and 命. Ofc that is another story.

Edited Saturday at 07:13 PM by ChiDragon

[Antares]

2 minutes ago, ChiDragon said:

You still didn't tell me what ming is by your definition. 

Well, they say this is yuan jing + yuan qi, but there is other "definition" of it that I don't want to mention here. In simple words it is what just invigorates you 

 

7 minutes ago, SodaChanh said:

The closest answer translated to mind language I could give is 'Love'

 

The more Ming you have the more you tend to love other people women 

 

[forestofclarity]

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