The practice of Neidan(內丹)

[ChiDragon]

1 hour ago, DynamicEquilibrium said:

Being a knowlegeable native speaker doesn't help here. An exemple of something we can observe everywhere around the world are brothers and sisters, parents and children, this generation and the preceding one... not understanding each others despite speaking the same language. 

I was referring to the Tao Te Ching. It was written thousand year ago. We have knowledgeable native scholars who studied it and interpreted in modern language.  So, the younger generation who is interested, learnt and passed on. BTW When I was curious about the Tao Te Ching twenty years ago or so. First, I tried to read all the English translations. However, I was very disappointed is because some were mistranslated and illogical. Fortunately, it happens to be I just bumped into a Chinese book store 45 minutes drive from my house and fund this particular book. This book is the native interpretation other than a translation. I had discovered it was much more easy to comprehend and comfortable in dealing with this  Chinese classic.

 

In my case, being a knowledgeable native speaker sure does helped me with the interpretation of TTC here. Perhaps, if you are interested in my translation of Chapter 1 of the TTC, you will see it is completely different from any English translation.

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[Antares]

28 minutes ago, ChiDragon said:

In my case, being a knowledgeable native speaker sure does helped me with the interpretation of TTC here.

Are you Chinese?

[ChiDragon]

28 minutes ago, Antares said:

Are you Chinese?

Yes, I am Chinese. Thanks for asking.

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[DynamicEquilibrium]

21 minutes ago, ChiDragon said:

I was referring to the Tao Te Ching. It was written thousand year ago. We have knowledgeable native scholars who studied it and interpreted in modern language.  So, the younger generation who is interested, learnt and passed on. BTW When I was curious about the Tao Te Ching twenty years ago or so. First, I tried to read all the English translations. However, I was very disappointed is because some were mistranslated and illogical. Fortunately, it happens to be I just bumped into a Chinese book store 45 minutes drive from my house and fund this particular book. This book is the native interpretation other than a translation. I had discovered it was much more easy to comprehend and comfortable in dealing with this  Chinese classic.

 

In my case, being a knowledgeable native speaker sure does helped me with the interpretation of TTC here. Perhaps, if you are interested in my translation of Chapter 1 of the TTC, you will see it is completely different from any English translation.

 

Yes, the more the sphere of knowlege increases in volume, the more its contact surfaces with the unknown extends. 

 

99% of the interpretations of 道德經 are very vague and misleading because they come out from untrained body/mind systems. 

 

 

 

[Antares]

58 minutes ago, ChiDragon said:

Yes, I am Chinese.

Why don't you want to find a knowledgeable teacher in China?

[Antares]

On 19.12.2025 at 11:19 PM, ChiDragon said:

Rather, it is the  fundamental concept that was passed down from generation to generation in the Taoist society.  The idea of Neidan was derived from the concept in TCM.

Well, what about 醫家不知有此 ? This is from 奇經八脈考

[ChiDragon]

43 minutes ago, Antares said:

Why don't you want to find a knowledgeable teacher in China?

It is because I know they will repeat something that I heard already. Also, the information is all available online.

[ChiDragon]

36 minutes ago, Antares said:

Well, what about 醫家不知有此 ? This is from 奇經八脈考

Do you know what are you asking me about? 

[DynamicEquilibrium]

14 minutes ago, ChiDragon said:

It is because I know they will repeat something that I heard already. Also, the information is all available online.

It is more and more difficult to find a 'real' teacher in China nowadays, especially since taoism and other traditions are under an ongoing process of scinicization, but from your researches and self-taught knowlege, how do you define the theories, practices, applications, purposes etc of taoist traditional education and training? 

 

 

 

 

[ChiDragon]

1 hour ago, DynamicEquilibrium said:

It is more and more difficult to find a 'real' teacher in China nowadays, especially since taoism and other traditions are under an ongoing process of scinicization, but from your researches and self-taught knowlege, how do you define the theories, practices, applications, purposes etc of taoist traditional education and training? 

 

Yes, it is very true about finding a good teacher. 

I had been reading the Taoist theories. They are not just written in classics but also in Taoist esoteric terms. Those terms are impossible to translate or interpret by an ordinary person. Since I was a kid, those terms are mentioned in the kung fu movies all the time. I always wanted to know what they meant. As time progresses, people are getting wise. They are able to understand the terms and reveal them to the public in the media. Especially, nowadays, any information is readily available on the internet.

 

Through my practice of Taiji, my physical body and health changed drastically. It makes me wonder how can I find out about the biological changes in my body? From modern science, finally, I found out it was the cell respiration was doing the trick for me. It was the oxygen from breathing that gives me the ATP energy. I found out that Qigong practice is emphasize in breathing. Hence, I concentrated in my breathing. After few years of of practice in Taiji with Neidan breathing. My health even improved much more. I have tremendous body energy more than I can handle, so to speak. 

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[29Gathering]

On 19/12/2025 at 6:13 PM, ChiDragon said:

Which chi are talking about? I only listen to people say what they think chi is. When I see the term Chi in a text, I will be very carefully try to figure out what the contextual meaning at that instance. 

Most people are brain washed that chi is energy. I think that is what you are asking me! Do I belive chi the same way as other people do? Sorry, my answer is no.

What would you call the energy we(including Chinese practitioners) are talking about?

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[29Gathering]

1 hour ago, ChiDragon said:

It is because I know they will repeat something that I heard already. Also, the information is all available online.

There are a lot of people who think they know martial arts by watching movies too. Maybe some of them can imitate a move or two.

[ChiDragon]

3 minutes ago, 29Gathering said:

What would you call the energy we(including Chinese practitioners) are talking about?

 

I am talking about the biochemical ATP energy that nobody is familiar with. Even though, it is in their own body. 

[ChiDragon]

2 minutes ago, 29Gathering said:

There are a lot of people who think they know martial arts by watching movies too. Maybe some of them can imitate a move or two.

 

Please don't go into martial arts here! It is not the interest of the OP. 

[29Gathering]

4 minutes ago, ChiDragon said:

I am talking about the biochemical ATP energy that nobody is familiar with. Even though, it is in their own body. 

You believe Chi is the ATP that was taught in high school. But what is the energy that we(and Chinese practitioners) use?

[29Gathering]

2 minutes ago, ChiDragon said:

Please don't go into martial arts here! It is not the interest of the OP. 

I wasn't talking martial arts, I was making an analogy. People delude themselves thinking they have skill by watching movies or reading on the internet.

[ChiDragon]

7 minutes ago, 29Gathering said:

I wasn't talking martial arts, I was making an analogy. People delude themselves thinking they have skill by watching movies or reading on the internet.

If you have nothing serious and meaningful to discuss. Please just listen and enjoy!

[ChiDragon]

13 minutes ago, 29Gathering said:

You believe Chi is the ATP that was taught in high school. But what is the energy that we(and Chinese practitioners) use?

You konw, you really have no idea what I am talking about. Perhaps someday you might. Please, I don't have time for this kind of response.

[29Gathering]

4 minutes ago, ChiDragon said:

You konw, you really have no idea what I am talking about. Perhaps someday you might. Please, I don't have time for this kind of response.

If you don't have time to discuss what we work with, spend it doing something you're interested in. No one is forcing you to reply.

[Master Logray]

I think attributing Chi to oxygen and ATP don't make too much sense.  China side so many scientists and patriots have been fervently trying to find out the secret of Chi for many many years.   But they have no conclusive result yet.  Don't these highly qualified people never think of simplistic stuff like oxygen and ATP?    

[Antares]

2 hours ago, ChiDragon said:

Do you know what are you asking me about? 

Yes, it is about channels that TCM people are not aware of. They do not work with it and also they work on more superficial level

[ChiDragon]

1 minute ago, Antares said:

Yes, it is about channels that TCM people are not aware of. They do not work with it and also they work on more superficial level

That's cool! So, let's it be.

[Antares]

1 hour ago, ChiDragon said:

It was the oxygen from breathing that gives me the ATP energy. I found out that Qigong practice is emphasize in breathing. Hence, I concentrated in my breathing. After few years of of practice in Taiji with Neidan breathing. My health even improved much more. I have tremendous body energy more than I can handle, so to speak. 

That's fine but this is qigong work + fitness/calisthenics. It helps to some degree too but can't resolve main issues in human being

[ChiDragon]

3 minutes ago, Antares said:

That's fine but this is qigong work + fitness/calisthenics. It helps to some degree too but can't resolve main issues in human being

It is how you underststand it. Then, it's fine. I can't argue with that.

[Antares]

2 minutes ago, ChiDragon said:

It is how you underststand it. Then, it's fine. I can't argue with that.

 

Interesting how many people here and daoist masters of the Past would agree with your statements?

Or you do not care? Then

13 minutes ago, ChiDragon said:

That's cool! So, let's it be.