The Ultimate Nature Of Reality?

[gendao]

Blue Pill = The Bible is the script for our fake reality show run by an invisible, BDSM dungeonmaster.  

Red Pill = The Ultimate Nature Of Reality is a fractal hallucination of our unified, non-dimensional awareness.  

Edited 19 hours ago by gendao

[Lairg]

4 hours ago, gendao said:

The Ultimate Nature Of Reality is a fractal hallucination of our unified, non-dimensional awareness.

 

How do I get past the hallucination?

 

[Cobie]

It’s always about integration:  

{(blue/white (thinking/morality) + red/orange (survival/sexuality)} ~> yellow/green (free will/love).
 

Edited yesterday at 05:49 PM by Cobie

[Nungali]

16 hours ago, gendao said:

Blue Pill = The Bible is the script for our fake reality show run by an invisible, BDSM dungeonmaster.  

Red Pill = The Ultimate Nature Of Reality is a fractal hallucination of our unified, non-dimensional awareness.  

 

according to your link .... the ultimate nature of reality requires a  facebook registration and log in 

 

  

[kakapo]

5 hours ago, Nungali said:

 

according to your link .... the ultimate nature of reality requires a  facebook registration and log in 

 

  

 

I downloaded and re-uploaded it for you. 

 

https://archive.org/details/the-ulitmate-nature-of-reality-v-3

[Sanity Check]

I searched for "The Ultimate Nature of Reality" in amazon's book section & couldn't find it.

 

Astonishing. Considering practically every book ever shared is listed there.

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[gendao]

19 hours ago, Lairg said:

How do I get past the hallucination?

"I" is part of the hallucination, so cannot get past it.  

[gendao]

7 hours ago, Nungali said:

according to your link .... the ultimate nature of reality requires a  facebook registration and log in 

 

  

Sorry, FB blows...so re-upped it here for just anyone to DL!

[Lairg]

1 hour ago, gendao said:

"I" is part of the hallucination, so cannot get past it.  

 

No hope for humans?

 

 

[Nungali]

1 hour ago, gendao said:

Sorry, FB blows...so re-upped it here for just anyone to DL!

 

Sorry , that didnt work either , it wanted to direct me to a 'chrome webstore to extend your  connection '   and agree to  .... well that wasn't clear . 

 

Why dont you just tell me what the ultimate nature of reality is ?   

[Nungali]

3 hours ago, kakapo said:

 

I downloaded and re-uploaded it for you. 

 

https://archive.org/details/the-ulitmate-nature-of-reality-v-3

 

Ahhhh ... better   ! 

[Nungali]

< sniff sniff >   ... I smell something suspect here .

 

I did enjoy reading it but then decided to check one random  statement - the claim about what Erwin Schrodinger said ; 

 

''  "The total number of minds in the universe is one. In fact, consciousness is a singularity phasing within all beings." - who said this ?

AI says Schrodinger .  

 

But if you put the question the other way around   and ask if Schrodinger actually did say it  ? 

 

''No, the exact quote is not from Erwin Schrödinger, although he did write similar ideas in his philosophical essays, particularly Mind and Matter. He wrote, "The total number of minds in the universe is one" and that "consciousness is never experienced in the plural, only in the singular". However, the popular version includes the phrase "In fact, consciousness is a singularity phasing within all beings," which is not a direct quote. ''

 

... 'cause there aint no such thing as a 'singularity phasing '   or the person who made the quote up used bad punctuation 

 

  

 

https://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/47487/did-erwin-schrödinger-say-there-is-only-one-mind-in-the-universe

 

I found the passage in his writing that relates to this, in a way ... although it does not say this  - he also said ''This is religion  not science . ''   (he was an Advaita Hindu ) 

 

- I wont be checking the rest .... a shame the author didnt do more research  (it took me 12 seconds  to check )  because now his whole article is suspect . 

 

 

[kakapo]

6 hours ago, Nungali said:

< sniff sniff >   ... I smell something suspect here .

 

I did enjoy reading it but then decided to check one random  statement - the claim about what Erwin Schrodinger said ; 

 

''  "The total number of minds in the universe is one. In fact, consciousness is a singularity phasing within all beings." - who said this ?

AI says Schrodinger .  

 

But if you put the question the other way around   and ask if Schrodinger actually did say it  ? 

 

''No, the exact quote is not from Erwin Schrödinger, although he did write similar ideas in his philosophical essays, particularly Mind and Matter. He wrote, "The total number of minds in the universe is one" and that "consciousness is never experienced in the plural, only in the singular". However, the popular version includes the phrase "In fact, consciousness is a singularity phasing within all beings," which is not a direct quote. ''

 

... 'cause there aint no such thing as a 'singularity phasing '   or the person who made the quote up used bad punctuation 

 

  

 

https://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/47487/did-erwin-schrödinger-say-there-is-only-one-mind-in-the-universe

 

I found the passage in his writing that relates to this, in a way ... although it does not say this  - he also said ''This is religion  not science . ''   (he was an Advaita Hindu ) 

 

- I wont be checking the rest .... a shame the author didnt do more research  (it took me 12 seconds  to check )  because now his whole article is suspect . 

 

 

 

 

Mind and Matter 

-Erwin Schrodinger

 

Chapter 4: Oneness Of Mind

 

https://archive.org/details/mindmatter0000schr/page/52/mode/2up

 

When you go and read the actual German and translate it directly:

 

 

It translates to something like:

 

the total number of all "consciousnesses" is always just "one".

 

 

 

Edited 10 hours ago by kakapo

[gendao]

7 hours ago, Nungali said:

 

Sorry , that didnt work either , it wanted to direct me to a 'chrome webstore to extend your  connection '   and agree to  .... well that wasn't clear . 

 

Why dont you just tell me what the ultimate nature of reality is ?   

Sorry, it worked for me, but maybe this one works better?  

 

I would've just attached it to the post, but it wouldn't.  

 

And yes, I did summarize the gist of it in my own words in the OP.  I just attached this handy eBooklet for a more in-depth reference.  

[stirling]

Every non-dual religion/philosophy points the same understanding - Taoism, Sufism, Sikhism, Buddhism, Advaita Vedanta, etc., etc., and generation after generation of teachers have had this insight and complete revision of understanding and shared it with the world. It isn't mysterious or secret, it is right here, right now, all of the time. 

 

Anyone who is interested in seeing this deeper more salient quality of reality should seek an enlightened teacher. They are all over the place in most medium or large cities or towns, but often even in small ones. There are at least 3 that I am aware of even in my little town of just over 10,000 people. It doesn't require secret techniques, asceticism, money, books, or anything like that, but it DOES require dedication, effort, and daily practice. 

 

I'll share a little document that I really love, a message from a Tibetan teacher along these lines:

 

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A Message to Human Beings - Tulku Urgyen Rinpoche

 

A German film crew once asked Tulku Urgyen Rinpoche to say something that would be heard by people all over the world. Here is his response.

 

"First I would like to tell you that an enlightened essence is present in everyone. It is present in every state, both samsara and nirvana, and in all sentient beings; there is no exception. Experience your buddha nature, make it your constant practice, and you will reach enlightenment. In my lifetime I have known many, many people who attained such an enlightened state, both male and female. Awakening to enlightenment is not an ancient fable. It is not mythology. It actually does happen. Bring the oral instructions into your own practical experience and enlightenment is indeed possible; it is not just a fairy tale.

To realize our buddha nature, we need the support of three principles. First is the precious Buddha, the primal teacher who showed the enlightened essence to others. Next is the precious dharma, the teachings on how to train in experiencing the enlightened essence. Lastly, there is the precious sangha, the people who uphold and spread the teachings. Additionally, there are
three roots: there is the guru, the root of blessings; the yidam, the root of accomplishment; and the dakini, the root of activities. They possess all-knowing wakefulness, all-embracing compassion, the activity of deeds for the benefit of beings, and the capacity to protect and save others."

 

"Sometimes we may have doubts and hesitation when relating to the Buddha’s teachings, but do not leave it with that. It is very important to validate what is trustworthy and what is not. My teachers mentioned four kinds of validation. First are the words of a perfectly enlightened being, such as the Buddha, whose statements are never unwise. Then there are the teachings by the great masters of the lineage, passed from one to the other until today. Third are the instructions we receive from our own personal
teacher. Finally, to decide with certainty, we need the validation of our own intelligence. Do not leave anything to blind faith or conventional belief."
 

"Examine for yourself what is really the truth.

What is the reason for the misery and pain every living being undergoes?

What is the cause of samsara’s delusion?"

 

"It is nothing other than lacking the experience of our enlightened essence. We ignore what is primordially present within us: our buddha nature. Instead, immersed in confused emotions, we chase illusory aims that endlessly result in more deluded experience. That’s called samsara. We have already done that for countless lifetimes, life after life, death following rebirth. Unless you now take this opportunity, while you are still a human being, to realize what is fully possible, you will continue in the future in the same deluded way.Please understand that the buddha nature is present within everyone.Nobody lacks this potential, not even a single person in this world. Unless you learn how to bring it into your personal experience, train in that and realize it, you remain deluded. Delusion never disappears by itself. Spinning around on the rim of samsara’s vicious wheel, on the twelve links of dependent origination, you will continue life after life. We all die, are reborn, and die again, countless times.But, in this present life, you can learn to experience your enlightened essence, and if you do that, you can, before passing away, attain the perfectly and fully awakened state of a buddha. The method to transform this human body into rainbow light at the moment of death is only through recognizing and realizing our buddha nature; there is no other possible way. The instruction for how to do that is still available. Place your trust in the three jewels: the precious Buddha, dharma and sangha. Receive this teaching from someone who holds an unbroken lineage; this lineage is still intact. Otherwise, everyone dies; there is no exception. In the past, everyone who lived in this world died. Right now everyone alive will die. Everyone born int he future will also die. Everything in the world changes; nothing remains the same, nothing is permanent, nothing lasts. If you want to be successful, if you really want to take care of yourself recognize your enlightened essence."

 

- Extracted with permission from Rangjung Yeshe Publications, from "Repeating the Words of the Buddha", by Tulku Urgyen Rinpoche

 

[gendao]

11 hours ago, Lairg said:

No hope for humans?

Did "you" have hope before "you" born?  

[S:C]

11 hours ago, Nungali said:

This is religion  not science . '' 

LMAO, where does he say this, I say this too.

 

He has a way with words, eh? Must have fenced me early on. That thing about one origin of consciousness, I have had it as well, as it baffled me how perceptions of close people could differ that much from each other, when yet they were using the same ‘instrument’.

 

made my day. 

[S:C]

1 hour ago, stirling said:

A German film crew

I would be wary of those… 🫥

 

… as well as of paths that seem to show all steps fully, then something might be missing or it’s already interpretation/‘religion/‘science’, and not being there. 
my experience 

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[stirling]

5 minutes ago, S:C said:

… as well as of paths that seem to show all steps fully, then something might be missing or it’s already interpretation/‘religion/‘science’, and not being there. 
my experience 

 

Nah.

 

You could become a kindly chartered accountant and that path might enlighten you. You can't make a mistake, but you can definitely lengthen your voyage if you have attachment to belief or opinion. What is required is actually very simple.

 

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The Great Way is not difficult
for those who have no preferences.

 

When love and hate are both absent
everything becomes clear and undisguised.

 

Make the smallest distinction, however,
and heaven and earth are set infinitely apart.

 

If you wish to see the truth
then hold no opinions for or against anything.

 

To set up what you like against what you dislike
is the disease of the mind.

 

-Excerpt - Verses on the Faith Mind
by Chien-chih Seng-ts'an 
Third Zen Patriarch [d. 606 AD]
Tr. by Richard B. Clarke
Zen teacher at the Living Dharma Centers, Amherst, Mass. 


 

When the mind is still, what is missing? What is interpreted? What path or teacher are you following?

[S:C]

1 hour ago, stirling said:

 Nah.

 

You could become a kindly chartered accountant and that path might enlighten you 

(…) but you can definitely lengthen your voyage if you have attachment to belief or opinion.

 

You miss my point, but not here to argue. 
To me it’s more a ‘show! don’t tell’. Explaining is mostly telling, not showing.
Currently I’m against the notion that there’s concrete steps to be followed; more a trust/faith/devotion or gravity issue (Mark Foote mentioned a sutra once, you might know, can’t find it, something like stepping from a several yards high pole or so). Becoming an accountant might do, why not!
But I might not be buddhist enough, don’t know, if I have a path, teachers were people I meet on the streets and the like. Schroedinger was interesting, others too. Huh. I can’t show, I guess. 

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http://www.galerieschaffer.de/2017/02/17/schrodinger/  at the OP: here’s a different view on Christianity, than power politics made it look like - y’all know how to use a translator; and yeah, life can feel lots like a BDSM dungeon master sometimes  

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/bewi.202400027; 

 

Edited 3 hours ago by S:C

[stirling]

20 minutes ago, S:C said:

You miss my point, but not here to argue. 
To me it’s more a ‘show! don’t tell’. Explaining is mostly telling, not showing.

 

Agree. 

 

It's the experience of the Tao/Emptiness that matters. Once one can identify it one can rest in it. All other methods of practice can be dropped in my experience. So the path, at its simplest might be: Learn to recognize -> Keep diligently recognizing.

[Lairg]

2 hours ago, stirling said:

It's the experience of the Tao/Emptiness that matters.

 

In my youth I encountered the concept of: Entering into the Silence.

 

Eventually I discovered that the Silence is not empty, it was merely that my inner hearing had not developed.

 

 

[Nungali]

4 hours ago, S:C said:

LMAO, where does he say this, I say this too.

 

He has a way with words, eh? Must have fenced me early on. That thing about one origin of consciousness, I have had it as well, as it baffled me how perceptions of close people could differ that much from each other, when yet they were using the same ‘instrument’.

 

made my day. 

 

That whole work of his is not a scientific treatise , its a philosophical one ... he was a philosophy as well as a 'cat supposer '    

 

Was you question ; if consciousness is generated from 'one ' how do different people seem so different in consciousness ? 

 

Obviously than, its the instruments  using the same thing / energy   not that the enrgy is the 'instrument '  consciousness is not the instrument , it is what 'activates' the instrument  . 

 

OR  you could see  each 'instrument' as a lens or facet of the one  illumination