Chaos Magic

[Nungali]

Supposedly it is a non traditional system , based on efficacy of results, eclectic ,  and personalized . 

 

Does this not make virtually every modern practicing magician a Chaos magician ?   Unless they are some rigidly practicing following by rote some  medieval  manuscript ... and having the mind set to go along with that . 

 

The definition seems to favor Spare yet divorce Crowley ???    He certainly bent the traditions ,    threw out a lot of stuff he considered 'non - working'  or based on false premises  ( although experimented with traditional stuff ) , was certainly and his system was certainly eclectic .... widely eclectic.   And of course highly personalized ... extremely so .... even to the extent that he wrote about that , encouraged people to develop their own personalized system from varied sources ... to the extent that he threatened them against copying his personalizations , saying it would backfire on them  and they might take on his worse qualities if they did such 'imitation '  . 

 

Even the staid  Goldern Dawn made such innovations . 

 

So is Chaos magic really a 'thing'  .... or mostly a designation  put onto recent magic that is somewhat fashionable  and cool ?   if it isnt ... what system of modern magick  is not Chaos magick ? 

[stirling]

I'd love to pretend that I have anything really useful to say on this topic, but I can't. In the 80's I had read Crowley's biography, his novel "Moonchild", some other materials, and Golden Dawn stuff. I came across the concept of "Chaos Magic" late last year in a Buddhist podcast interview, somewhere.

 

It is something that crossed my radar from left-field and was a brief source of interest. My research included most of the books by Alan Chapman and Duncan Barford (some of which didn't make complete logically sense to me, or seemed to be what I call "sideways spelunking" rather than direct climbing out of the cavern of delusion), Chapman's "Advanced Magick for Beginners", as well as "Liber Null & Psychonaut: An Introduction to Chaos Magic", and "Liber Chaos" by Peter J. Carroll.

 

Whether it is entirely something new wouldn't particularly matter to me... it's real appeal was its accessibility, simplicity, and efficacy.

 

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If there is an underlying oneness of all things, it does not matter where we begin, whether with stars, or laws of supply and demand, or frogs, or Napoleon Bonaparte. One measures a circle, beginning anywhere. -  Charles Fort, Lo!

 

[stirling]

Your questions e.g. the Holy Guardian Angel:

 

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A technical point  .......   you say  'summoning '  ...  and you 'saw' 

 

But they say .... and the  tradition says  .....  'knowledge and conversation '   .... very different things between those two . 

 

....   did you take the sword  ?  

 

I did the ritual, and had the visit. 

 

The knowledge and conversation, if I understand correctly, are the "union" with the HGA - somewhat redundant in my case as "union" is seen now as just the reality and always present deeper nature of how things are. 

 

Yes, I took the sword, I held my hands out and closed my eyes. I had the sense of pressure on my hands. After a few minutes I dared to look and the vision with the sword had disappeared. 

 

Some questions for you, if you feel qualified to answer:

 

Is this something you (or anyone you have met) has had REAL success with? 

 

Would you agree with Chapman/Barford that the HGA is a perfected version of "you" from the "future" here to guide you to enlightenement (paraphrasing here).