The ultimate unpopular opinions

[Lairg]

5 minutes ago, Taomeow said:

we have an average of 65,000 thoughts on a daily basis, of which 48,000 are negative and self-defeating

 

It may be worth distinguishing brain thoughts from mind thoughts.

In some humans most of the brain thoughts are externally sourced. 

 

There is technology for propagating brain thoughts.  How else are humans to be managed? 

 

The trick is to move mind thinking to more refined levels (subplanes). 

 

Densest level thoughts are like concrete - needing to be pounded with hammers to be changed.

 

The more subtle levels of thought are like gaseous swirls seeking companion swirls

 

Beyond those are live thought forms that carry out the intent of their creators

 

 

[Taomeow]

30 minutes ago, Lairg said:

 

It may be worth distinguishing brain thoughts from mind thoughts.

 

 

"Minds are what brains do." -- Marvin Minsky, father of neural networks  

 

This statement may seem overly materialistic and "non-spiritual," but the thing is, the very notions of "brain" and "mind" are rather arbitrary.  They keep discovering "brains" in places other than the skull -- e.g. there's the "gut-brain" axis, with the enteric nervous system in continuous complex communication with the CNS via complex two-way signaling pathways (e.g. the vagus nerve that equally "belongs" to the gut and the head).  The immune system has a mind of its own, and the mind in the head has only indirect and limited impact on what it thinks.  It's hard to draw a demarcation line.  Or rather, it's somewhat counterproductive.  In the organ-system-function cognitive tradition of taoist sciences, you don't separate what they "are" from what they "do."  It's all one, and it splits into "matter" and "spirit," "body" and "mind" that don't constitute a whole only when unhealthy.  When it's healthy it's unified.  

[Lairg]

Intelligence is found everywhere. 

 

Intelligence is not restricted to minds.

 

Minds are not restricted to brains

 

 

[old3bob]

5 hours ago, Taomeow said:

 

"Minds are what brains do." -- Marvin Minsky, father of neural networks  

 

This statement may seem overly materialistic and "non-spiritual," but the thing is, the very notions of "brain" and "mind" are rather arbitrary.  They keep discovering "brains" in places other than the skull -- e.g. there's the "gut-brain" axis, with the enteric nervous system in continuous complex communication with the CNS via complex two-way signaling pathways (e.g. the vagus nerve that equally "belongs" to the gut and the head).  The immune system has a mind of its own, and the mind in the head has only indirect and limited impact on what it thinks.  It's hard to draw a demarcation line.  Or rather, it's somewhat counterproductive.  In the organ-system-function cognitive tradition of taoist sciences, you don't separate what they "are" from what they "do."  It's all one, and it splits into "matter" and "spirit," "body" and "mind" that don't constitute a whole only when unhealthy.  When it's healthy it's unified.  

 

being somewhat of a gear head your post also translates  to me in the sense of a V-8 engine that is designed, built and tuned up very well, and for that to happen all of its parts must work together resulting in good power at the crankshaft which is then hooked to a transmission and the rest of the drive train and finally to the tires where the rubber meets the road...wa-la.   (alas, most internal combustion engines lose a lot of energy in various forms like heat, friction and moving their inherent weight around thus the never ending and creative engineering efforts to greatly reduce such losses!)  

Edited 23 hours ago by old3bob

[liminal_luke]

Maybe the beauty of having all these "brains" is that we can change what we think without staying strictly in our head.  There´s a gut-brain axis?  Good!  Let me change my thoughts by eating differently.  Movement works too as well as various cultivation practices.  Getting the right kind of sunshine can have a profound effect on the kind of thoughts associated with a bad mood.  It´s often easier to change thoughts indirectly -- by working with the systems that effect the various brains -- than trying to strongarm thoughts on a cognitive level.

Edited 19 hours ago by liminal_luke

[old3bob]

 

like trained or acquired muscle memory for certain physical actions/reactions without the slower process of only thinking through a task...also our instinctive type actions or reactions.  Btw, some folks have trained and acquired a lot verbal muscle memory in their mouths, lol sometimes.

 

 

Edited 18 hours ago by old3bob

[Apech]

3 hours ago, liminal_luke said:

Maybe the beauty of having all these "brains" is that we can change what we think without staying strictly in our head.  There´s a gut-brain axis?  Good!  Let me change my thoughts by eating differently.  Movement works too as well as various cultivation practices.  Getting the right kind of sunshine can have a profound effect on the kind of thoughts associated with a bad mood.  It´s often easier to change thoughts indirectly -- by working with the systems that effect the various brains -- than trying to strongarm thoughts on a cognitive level.

 

If you had half a brain you could make cauliflower cheese:

 

 

[liminal_luke]

1 hour ago, Apech said:

 

If you had half a brain you could make cauliflower cheese:

 

 

 

Looks delicious.  I´m of the opinion that anything topped with broiled cheese is delicious -- but that´s not an unpopular opinion.

[Taomeow]

1 hour ago, Apech said:

 

If you had half a brain you could make cauliflower cheese:

 

 

 

And with a full brain you could make Cauliflower Polonaise.  In my kitchen it's known as "The Right Way"  rather than "Polonaise," as I inherited the recipe long before the attribution. ( "The Left Way" is just steaming it.  "The Right Way" may or may not add cheese, it doesn't matter much since you can't improve much on perfection.)

 

 

 

 

    

 

 

[old3bob]

 

cats would eat the cheese but probably not the cauliflower...unless straving.

 

 

[Taomeow]

5 minutes ago, old3bob said:

 

cats would eat the cheese but probably not the cauliflower...unless straving.

 

 

When my cat was only a few weeks old, for some reason she was very interested in vegetables.  Every time I come across that ubiquitous meme where a cat is being yelled at for not eating her broccoli, I find it heartbreaking.  (Yes, I know it's not the cat in the original photo.  Still, I can't help thinking my poor kitty may have been starving in her early kittenhood and would eat whatever...  I got her when she was way too small for adoption age -- the woman selling her in the parking lot didn't seem like a reliable cat person, so, who knows.  Incidentally, yesterday she brought home her first wild mouse...  I mean the cat did, not that woman.)  

[Apech]

1 hour ago, liminal_luke said:

 

Looks delicious.  I´m of the opinion that anything topped with broiled cheese is delicious -- but that´s not an unpopular opinion.

Broiled?

[Apech]

Just now, Apech said:

Broiled?

oh you mean grilled!

[liminal_luke]

9 minutes ago, Apech said:

Broiled?

 

I don´t know.  It looked to me like it was melted under a broiler in an oven but I suppose there´s more than one way to melt one´s cheese.  Never mind me, today I´m operating with half a cauliflower.

[Apech]

29 minutes ago, liminal_luke said:

 

I don´t know.  It looked to me like it was melted under a broiler in an oven but I suppose there´s more than one way to melt one´s cheese.  Never mind me, today I´m operating with half a cauliflower.

we call it grilled in the UK - broiled sounds like boiled!

[Nungali]

2 hours ago, Apech said:

Broiled?

 

 

Typo ... he meant  boiled cheese .   Thats unpopular . .  

[Nungali]

Also  straving your cat is unpopular    ( another typo  .... 'shaving '  )  

 

 

Also known as 'turning your cat into a lion   ; 

 

                   

 

 

[Nungali]

2 hours ago, liminal_luke said:

 

I don´t know.  It looked to me like it was melted under a broiler in an oven but I suppose there´s more than one way to melt one´s cheese.  Never mind me, today I´m operating with half a cauliflower.

 

beware .... this is gonna be  unpop .... 

 

 

As a youth I got a job as a kitchen''hand in a  golf club . One day it was very busy and apprentice chef 2 was off sick so i got hurled into it . Some guy ordered fried brains  !   WTF ... the chef yells at me ; '' Just get two out the tray in the cool room , breadcrumb them and fry them .''

 

I did that and they came back  with a complaint ... turns out there were two batches , the ones for crumbing and frying  had already been  mostly cooked . There was a tray of raw ones also , to be cooked . Guess which ones I used ,

[Nungali]

2 hours ago, Apech said:

oh you mean grilled!

 

 

 

[Nungali]

2 hours ago, Apech said:

we call it grilled in the UK - broiled sounds like boiled!

 

... anyway , eventually I learned to cook   and ......  to be an unpopular opinionated smarty  pants ; 

 

broil is to 'grill' from an above heat source 

 

grill is to broil from a below heat source .

 

In the UK you can broil something by grilling it .   If you cook food in a fry pan  with the heat below its called a frying pan , but if you put it under a gorilla  ....... he  will not be happy