millions/billions of years setback?

[old3bob]

 

It looks like the "Age of Aquarius" love in has gone down a deep rabbit hole somewhere being that most indicators now point towards millions or billions of years of setback as some of us along with demonic/adharmic forces drastically degrade the Earth realm where many souls normally need to reincarnate,  (per karma and aspects of human evolution)  Earth's ancient soul of beauty will recover Her full strength but it will take millions/billions of years of earth time, although only a "blink of an eye" in spiritual time ... in the meantime it's likely many of us souls will  be limited to various realms or in limbo, a few will make it to the pure/heavenly realms and beyond (since its always 5 o'clock somewhere), and many will suffer in the hell realms...  I'm sorry to be a party pooper but it looks like many of the lovely "plans of mice and men" mentioned here for "enlightenment" and or cultivation will be setback since they also need to include good Earth realm energy with a certain amount of a dharmic atmosphere/balance as part of their whole package to come about,  that is for souls with human karma's.   (which in the end does come about)

 

 

[forestofclarity]

Sam Bercholz, the founder of Shambhala publications, had an NDE where he went to hell. In one location, there was a terrible and cruel tyrant who, during his life, has killed and tortured countless people under his reign. He was reborn in the shape of a mountain who was undergoing tremendous suffering due to the fires and discomforts of hell. Part of this was that his body was writhing and alive, composed of his followers who participated in the terrors. In addition, his body was ALSO composed of all the people who hated him, fusing together with him in their human life and the next life. In other words, hatred fuses us to the object of our hatred as much as devoted glee.

Not saying this should be taken literally, but feeding negativity for negativity's sake seems pointless. If anything, the faults of samsara should fuel renunciation from its promises, compassion for those in ignorance, and a stark determination to seek enlightenment so one can truly benefit sentient beings. The knowledge of the suffering of samsara is presented as the first step of the spiritual path, not the last. 

 

[old3bob]

11 hours ago, forestofclarity said:

Sam Bercholz, the founder of Shambhala publications, had an NDE where he went to hell. In one location, there was a terrible and cruel tyrant who, during his life, has killed and tortured countless people under his reign. He was reborn in the shape of a mountain who was undergoing tremendous suffering due to the fires and discomforts of hell. Part of this was that his body was writhing and alive, composed of his followers who participated in the terrors. In addition, his body was ALSO composed of all the people who hated him, fusing together with him in their human life and the next life. In other words, hatred fuses us to the object of our hatred as much as devoted glee.

Not saying this should be taken literally, but feeding negativity for negativity's sake seems pointless. If anything, the faults of samsara should fuel renunciation from its promises, compassion for those in ignorance, and a stark determination to seek enlightenment so one can truly benefit sentient beings. The knowledge of the suffering of samsara is presented as the first step of the spiritual path, not the last. 

 

 

right, becoming a new version of hate against what one hates is counterproductive, yet the spiritual battles and wars must still be fought in whatever form or in whatever realms they are taking place, trying to appease or look the other way against evil is dangerously naïve (including rambling on and on about non-duality or that everything is somehow ok) and brings about a greater suffering of fools play!  (terrible patterns have repeated over and over again for many millions of suffering people through the ages who can't just instantly escape to an astral or causal heaven;  I've also been on the other side and seen or shown some things )

 

Edited yesterday at 02:08 AM by old3bob

[Lairg]

9 hours ago, old3bob said:

most indicators now point towards millions or billions of years of setback as some of us along with demonic/adharmic forces drastically degrade the Earth realm

 

It is the end of an era so it is natural that many social and power structures fall away - including those of surface Earth humanity.

 

Stand outside this solar system and have another look.  There is a galactic process that is doing well.   And it turns out that this planet is more useful than it appears from the human bottom up view

 

 

[Cobie]

 

12 minutes ago, Lairg said:

… from the human bottom up view

 

 

 

 

 

 

[old3bob]

13 hours ago, Lairg said:

 

It is the end of an era so it is natural that many social and power structures fall away - including those of surface Earth humanity.

 

Stand outside this solar system and have another look.  There is a galactic process that is doing well.   And it turns out that this planet is more useful than it appears from the human bottom up view

 

 

 

galaxies, oh you mean those tiny specks of light?

Edited yesterday at 10:42 AM by old3bob

[Lairg]

The experiment is not hard

 

 

[Nungali]

3 hours ago, old3bob said:

 

galaxies, oh you mean those tiny specs of light?

 

 

Stand outside the galaxies and have another look.  There is a Universal process that is doing well.   And it turns out that this galaxy is more useful than it appears from the  black hole  view  .  

[old3bob]

4 hours ago, Nungali said:

 

 

Stand outside the galaxies and have another look.  There is a Universal process that is doing well.   And it turns out that this galaxy is more useful than it appears from the  black hole  view  .  

 

there is a view where the  whole kit and caboodle goes poof...

[SodaChanh]

Well it is a theory that fighting the evil forces is better than sitting in the view of no view. 

 

Since there is no separation, releasing all aggression results in changes for humanity that can be felt tangibly. 

 

Imagine tomorrow 5 billion people held no aggression anymore, what difference that would make? 

[old3bob]

5 hours ago, SodaChanh said:

Well it is a theory that fighting the evil forces is better than sitting in the view of no view. 

 

Since there is no separation, releasing all aggression results in changes for humanity that can be felt tangibly. 

 

Imagine tomorrow 5 billion people held no aggression anymore, what difference that would make? 

 

right, ultimately none of the incredible flux of duality can reach or upset the Self (aka. the one of us that is within the zillions of us) which is just fine regardless of what is happening in all the various realms and to beings.... saying that is easy but not so easy for the zillions of us to be and know beyond regular knowing even though we are.

 

[Lairg]

Does the human race have a role in balancing light and dark in this galaxy?

 

 

[old3bob]

 

 

 

[forestofclarity]

13 hours ago, SodaChanh said:

Well it is a theory that fighting the evil forces is better than sitting in the view of no view. 

 

Since there is no separation, releasing all aggression results in changes for humanity that can be felt tangibly. 

 

Imagine tomorrow 5 billion people held no aggression anymore, what difference that would make? 

 

And to add on to this excellent statement, sitting in the view of no view doesn't mean doing nothing. It actually allows the space for dynamic expression or spontaneous action from a place of greater alignment as opposed to the haphazard habits of ego-mind. 

[Surya]

On 18.9.2025 at 1:12 PM, old3bob said:

demonic/adharmic forces drastically degrade the Earth

I think these forces are, ultimately, destroying themself by going to far, and that the golden dawn is right around the corner. In the mean time, all we can do is hope that it doesn’t get too dark before the light returns. 

[Surya]

5 hours ago, Lairg said:

Does the human race have a role in balancing light and dark in this galaxy?

 

 

Sorry for going off topic, but these questions and comments of yours are something I find intruiging, but unfortunately at a level beyond my understanding. Could I ask if the human race has a spesific role to play, or purpose, and what that is?

Edited 4 hours ago by Surya

[old3bob]

6 hours ago, Lairg said:

Does the human race have a role in balancing light and dark in this galaxy?

 

 

 

is that a rhetorical question?

 

humankind is supposed to be stewards and keepers of life on Earth, which is a place or role in the universe.   (not grandiose but important)

[Surya]

1 minute ago, old3bob said:

 

is that a rhetorical question?

 

humankind is supposed to be stewards and keepers of life on Earth, which is a place or role in the universe.   (not grandiose but important)

No disrespect to the creator, but might not have been the best choice of spieces for that role 

[Surya]

@Sanity Checks OP from the below linked thread:

 

«In the LOTR book trilogy, there is a good wizard named Saruman who is seduced by evil.

 

While Saruman's magic power isn't well defined. It is illustrated that one of his abilities is influencing others into believing everything he says is true. Whatever Saruman says, is what people believe.

 

Late in the story, Saruman's tower is attacked by treeborn Ents and the area becomes flooded with water. Saruman's situation is desperate.

 

In his desperation, Saruman unwisely abuses his power and overexerts himself, shattering his own magic. 

 

This has always been interesting to me. Saruman was never directly defeated in combat or war. Instead his story is that of a wizard who apparently defeats themselves.

 

Is this something that actually happens in the real world? Or is it merely fiction? 

 

How did JRR Tolkien come by this plot twist.

 

Long story short, people say I waste my time paying attention to fictional stories. Maybe they're right. 

Or perhaps there is something that might be learned at times?»

A connection?