"may all beings be happy" context?

[old3bob]

1 hour ago, Nungali said:

 

Yes ..... Joy   works  down the street .    Go and see her to get some happiness . 

 

Donavon used to live near Joy where "happiness runs in a circular motion, you can everything if you let yourself be..."

[old3bob]

3 hours ago, BigSkyDiamond said:

 

you have mentioned :  Jesus; Rama and Ravana; "Buddhism and Bon fierce guardians."

Are those the examples given of heroes and role models for you?  So then In your own understanding, path, and framework what would they do?  What behavior and approach is it of theirs that you admire, revere, hold in high regard, and seek to emulate from the masters?

 

 

read/study of them for yourself if you haven't already done so... I'm not going to play a shell game with you.

[BigSkyDiamond]

17 minutes ago, old3bob said:

lets see, most of mankind has similar reactions to various forms of music which can be said to have a universal aspect to it...so for one that does not fit with your rationalizations... extrapolate the rest if you will?

 

no i am not going to guess what anyone is trying to say. 

if they have something to say, then they can say it.

 

Edited Monday at 01:29 AM by BigSkyDiamond

[old3bob]

 

Jesus did not say to love or excuse demons or demonic forces or those willfully joining with same whether in deed or in thoughts which is part of what I'm trying to get at..."I send you as sheep among wolves".  Btw, Jesus is also referred to as being  the "Lion of Juda" along with other powerful people.

Edited Monday at 01:33 AM by old3bob

[old3bob]

16 minutes ago, BigSkyDiamond said:

 

no i am not going to guess what anyone is trying to say.  if they have something to say, then they can say it.

 

 

I did not mean or say to extrapolate on what other people may be trying to say, but on the universal aspect of music and how much of mankind reacts to same.  (namely with some universal reactions)

Edited Monday at 01:39 AM by old3bob

[BigSkyDiamond]

30 minutes ago, old3bob said:

I did not mean or say to extrapolate on what other people may be trying to say, but on the universal aspect of music and how much of mankind reacts to same.  (namely with some universal reactions)

 

people, paths, and religious traditions do not agree on what evil is, whether it exists,  how to understand it, where it comes from, what causes it, or how to respond to it.  none of those elements are universal. 

 

Edited Monday at 02:08 AM by BigSkyDiamond

[Nungali]

Do you ever step outside of the world of 'spiritual theory '   into the 'real world outside'  ?  

 

 

[old3bob]

2 hours ago, BigSkyDiamond said:

 

people, paths, and religious traditions do not agree on what evil is, whether it exists,  how to understand it, where it comes from, what causes it, or how to respond to it.  none of those elements are universal. 

 

 

I'd say there  are general and  universal laws across the manifest worlds and Beings,  human cultural details do differ as you've said but most humans react to various forms of music in universal ways which is similar how most of us also react to other forms of energy such as with life helping kindness or life destroying violence.   We are all built in similar ways biologically and in many other ways energetically. 

Thus we have far more in common than in differences. 

[Lairg]

5 hours ago, BigSkyDiamond said:

people, paths, and religious traditions do not agree on what evil is, whether it exists,

 

It may even be that the concepts of good and evil are not relevant to species other than Earth humanity.

 

Consider Dion Fortune :

On the outer sphere there is also a secondary derivation, and though a spinning circle of motion, it represents, for that Cosmos, the prime stillness, the immobility in which it is rooted, it is the thrust-block of the force of the Cosmos, that which resists, which alone enables momentum to be achieved, and you may call it the Ring-Chaos—the "Prime Evil."

[BigSkyDiamond]

On 8/3/2025 at 6:21 AM, old3bob said:

those that willfully choose and or practice evil

 

Certainly there are actions, behaviors, and ideologies which are malevolent,  criminal, cause harm, incite violence and result in atrocities.  But use of the word "evil" is problematic in many ways, in my view.  So I don't use the word evil.  

 

Edited Monday at 04:09 PM by BigSkyDiamond

[BigSkyDiamond]

23 hours ago, old3bob said:

 do you truly understand evil?

 

maybe explain how you understand it, for clarity.

that would facilitate discussion.

 

Edited Monday at 04:00 PM by BigSkyDiamond

[old3bob]

8 hours ago, Lairg said:

 

It may even be that the concepts of good and evil are not relevant to species other than Earth humanity.

 

Consider Dion Fortune :

On the outer sphere there is also a secondary derivation, and though a spinning circle of motion, it represents, for that Cosmos, the prime stillness, the immobility in which it is rooted, it is the thrust-block of the force of the Cosmos, that which resists, which alone enables momentum to be achieved, and you may call it the Ring-Chaos—the "Prime Evil."

 

and concepts are not the same as mass and energies that one may come up against...

[old3bob]

42 minutes ago, BigSkyDiamond said:

 

Certainly there are actions, behaviors, and ideologies which are malevolent,  cause harm, incite violence and result in atrocities.  But use of the word "evil" is problematic in many ways, in my view.  So I don't use the word evil.  

 

 

in some cases people see it or write it off as superstition, being a religious nut or whatever thus many don't use the word because they don't want to be labeled as superstitious or whatever...

[old3bob]

46 minutes ago, BigSkyDiamond said:

 

maybe explain how you understand it, for clarity.

that would facilitate discussion.

 

 

some examples are described per the properties of the 7 hells, (aka or parallel to the 7 lower astral chakra's or realms) and or nether worlds and the Beings that dwell there which are well recognized by many sources; you could google that for FYI if you are not already familiar with same.  There are also many depictions, for instance like on the Tibetan Wheel of Life which to me points to more than just limited or superstitious religious concepts. (ime it can be a long hard crawl out of that)

Edited Monday at 04:46 PM by old3bob

[BigSkyDiamond]

24 minutes ago, old3bob said:

the properties of the 7 hells, and or nether worlds and their Beings are well described in many sources, google it even for FYI.  Also there are many depictions, for instance like on the Tibetan Wheel of Life which to me points to more than as just limited concepts.

 

i agree that the word "evil" carries and stems from religious association, and often  includes hells, demons, torment,  punishment.    In my view and experience, use of the word "evil" is an expression of, and indicator of, and influenced by a person's religious beliefs.

 

Edited Monday at 04:55 PM by BigSkyDiamond

[old3bob]

1 hour ago, BigSkyDiamond said:

 

i agree that the word "evil" carries and stems from religious association, and often  includes hells, demons, torment,  punishment.    In my view and experience, use of the word "evil" is an expression of, and indicator of, and influenced by a person's religious beliefs.

 

 

its just live spelled backwards... and not only of religious beliefs or concepts but has  form, mass and energy in time and space. So certain cultural labels are one thing or pointers but not the relative reality of it in manifestation.   Btw I'd say there is no complete enlightenment without one also having to face and deal with the full force of evil, both internally and externally.  Not unlike that spoken of in the historic Buddha's battle with Mara along with the Earth Goddess lending help and witness.   

Edited Monday at 06:25 PM by old3bob

[BigSkyDiamond]

regarding "evil"

 

28 minutes ago, old3bob said:

its just live spelled backwards... and not only of religious beliefs or concepts but has  form, mass and energy in time and space. So certain cultural labels are one thing or pointers but not the relative reality of it in manifestation.   Btw I'd say there is no complete enlightenment without one also having to face and deal with the full force of evil, both internally and externally.  Not unlike that spoken of in the historic Buddha's battle with Mara along with the Earth Goddess lending help and witness.   

 

for my own clarity,  is the view expressed in post above saying that:

evil has as an actual existence of its own.  and that this evil not only exists in the physical world, but that this evil has an actual physical form itself.  

 

am i understanding that correctly?

 

Edited Monday at 06:39 PM by BigSkyDiamond

[old3bob]

1 minute ago, BigSkyDiamond said:

regarding "evil"

 

for my own clarity,  is the view expressed in post above saying that:

evil has as an actual existence of its own.  and that this evil not only exists in the physical world, but that this evil has an actual physical form itself.  

 

am i understanding that correctly?

 

 

nope, relative reality in manifestation was mentioned, thus no lasting root of its own.  If one counts astral forms and Beings as having force then in that way one could say its impact is also possible on the physical.  Btw, are you on a fishing trip?  All of this is fundamental to the spiritual realities you mentioned earlier...

[BigSkyDiamond]

29 minutes ago, old3bob said:

nope, relative reality in manifestation was mentioned, thus no lasting root of its own.  If one counts astral forms and Beings as having force then in that way one could say its impact is also possible on the physical.  

 

i don't know what that means "relative reality in manifestation."

however this phrase used "has  form, mass and energy in time and space" seems to indicate that evil is physical here on planet Earth.  

 

Form, mass, and space:   Form refers to the three-dimensional shape of an object, like a sphere or cube.  The three dimensions are length, width, and height.  Mass is the perceived weight or solidity of a form, suggesting its volume and density.  Shape and form define objects in space. 

 

Edited Monday at 07:17 PM by BigSkyDiamond

[BigSkyDiamond]

1 hour ago, old3bob said:

I'd say there is no complete enlightenment without one also having to face and deal with the full force of evil, both internally and externally.   

 

with one word changed, then yes j agree 100% with the view stated just above.

i change the word "evil" and instead use the word "temptation" 

so it becomes:

 

"I'd say there is no complete enlightenment without also having to face and deal with the full force of temptation, both internally and externally"

 

my understanding of the "battle with Mara" is that it was about overcoming temptations and distractions.  And yes we are tempted by all sorts of things.  I would say yes that is universal.

 

1 hour ago, old3bob said:

Not unlike that spoken of in the historic Buddha's battle with Mara along with the Earth Goddess lending help and witness.   

 

Edited Monday at 08:10 PM by BigSkyDiamond

[BigSkyDiamond]

Zen MasterThich Nat Hanh describes it this way:

 

"Mara is the one who had caused the Buddha a lot of difficulties. The night before the Buddha attained final enlightenment, Mara was there to tempt him. Buddha was tempted by Mara. Mara is the tempter. He always wanted the Buddha to be a politician, to be a king, or a president, or a foreign minister, or running a business, having a lot of money, a lot of beautiful women; and he was always trying to tempt the Buddha so that Buddha would go into these directions. That is Mara."

 

from Mara and the Buddha - Embracing our Suffering

https://plumvillage.org/transcriptions/mara-and-the-buddha-embracing-our-suffering

 

 

the article also talks about making friends with the part of ourself that tempts us, the Mara within.  

 

"We have flowerness in us; we have “garbageness” in us also. Don’t think that they are two enemies—no. They look like enemies—but they can support each other. In Buddhism, there is no fight between good and evil—that is the most wonderful thing in the Buddhist practice! There is no fight between good and evil. Good and evil are both organic matters. If you have understanding and wisdom, you will know how to handle both the flower and the garbage in you, you can make the Buddha be born every moment of your life, and peace and happiness will be possible."

 

Edited Monday at 08:08 PM by BigSkyDiamond

[Cobie]

 

2 hours ago, old3bob said:

… [evil] its just live spelled backwards... 

 

Inspired. Thanks.

[old3bob]

1 hour ago, BigSkyDiamond said:

 

i don't know what that means "relative reality in manifestation."

however this phrase used "has  form, mass and energy in time and space" seems to indicate that evil is physical here on planet Earth.  

 

Form, mass, and space:   Form refers to the three-dimensional shape of an object, like a sphere or cube.  The three dimensions are length, width, and height.  Mass is the perceived weight or solidity of a form, suggesting its volume and density.  Shape and form define objects in space. 

 

 

Take a guess?  The astral realms (which I'm in no way an expert on) have their own version(s) so to speak of mass, form, energy, etc.. Btw. the historic Buddha spoke of an assemblage of (normally invisible) Beings that came to see him before his  passing which Ananda did not see, was that just explainable away as superstition to you?

Edited Monday at 08:58 PM by old3bob

[old3bob]

 

Mara or evil has many brothers and sisters, as in liar, cheater, thief,  manipulator of half truths, malice, greed, and on and on, thus I'd say far more than just a tempter.

 

 

Edited Monday at 09:08 PM by old3bob

[BigSkyDiamond]

11 minutes ago, old3bob said:

The astral realms (which I'm in no way an expert on) have their own version(s) so to speak of mass, form, energy, etc.. Btw. the historic Buddha spoke of an assemblage of (normally invisible) Beings that came to see him before his  passing which Ananda did not see, was that just explainable away superstition to you?

 

i don't categorize religious teachings or traditions as superstition.   

i generally seek to understand whatever story, event, lesson, quote, character, being, or description is presented, in the larger context of  what it means within that religion.   

 

Typically i will make the distinction in conversation or discussion between a "physical being" and a "non-physical being."  

Edited Monday at 09:06 PM by BigSkyDiamond