stirling Posted 12 hours ago 1 hour ago, Nungali said: You are working overtime here to appear an absolute idiot ! And to do that continually and deliberately to annoy people or cause disruption is trolling the site . And you have already said you are doing this deliberately and being deliberately stupid . Easy there, friend. Let's take deep breath. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nungali Posted 12 hours ago (edited) 6 minutes ago, stirling said: Easy there, friend. Let's take deep breath. Innnnnnn ..... hold ........ and ouuuuut . Now ..... did I say an untruth or anything he didn't declare himself first . If you are happy to let that go on here , then its your choice what this site turns out like , if so I shall ignore him and watch Daobums further degrade , if that is what you want . so its up to you now Edited 12 hours ago by Nungali 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lairg Posted 12 hours ago (edited) What are requirements for free will? - control of physical desires - control of emotional desires - control of thoughts - control of heart energies - ..... By age of 7 the child traditionally was held responsible for what it did. A couple of generations ago, by age of 21 the new adult was held responsible for its thoughts and allowed to vote. As I recall Jung believed that by 42 it was possible to be ready for a mission in life It seems that freedom of will takes much work Edited 12 hours ago by Lairg Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stirling Posted 11 hours ago 28 minutes ago, Nungali said: Innnnnnn ..... hold ........ and ouuuuut . Now ..... did I say an untruth or anything he didn't declare himself first . If you are happy to let that go on here , then its your choice what this site turns out like , if so I shall ignore him and watch Daobums further degrade , if that is what you want . so its up to you now It isn't possible for me to read every post here... you just got lucky. I'd rather we ALL kept it civil and left out the insults. If someone is insulting you, please let me know. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sanity Check Posted 6 hours ago 7 hours ago, Nungali said: Well well ... run your flag up your pole and salute it ! While you concentrate on being a citizen of the Great America that is OBVIOUSLY MORAL and NEVER committed an atrocity anywhere ... especially in its own country and against its own people ! Never committed an atrocity against the slaves and their descendants they took there , let alone the original inhabitants . Never nuclear tested over the pristine Pacific dislocating happy peaceful people ..... never sold weapons of mass death and maiming all over the world .... on an on it goes Meanwhile you do an idiot Homer Simpson dance with your fingers in your ears Its rather sickening ... no wonder Old Bob feels the way he does ! You are working overtime here to appear an absolute idiot ! And to do that continually and deliberately to annoy people or cause disruption is trolling the site . And you have already said you are doing this deliberately and being deliberately stupid . Do muslims want to live in a country founded upon islam ideology that observes sharia banking laws. Or do they want to live in the united states a country founded on christian ideology and principles. Do atheists want to live in norway, denmark or a nation founded on atheist ideology. Or do they want to live in the USA, founded on christianity. Forget about america's economy and military. A case could be made for the USA being the fairest and most moral nation on earth. Everyone wanting to live here, says so. Tell me, kind sir. What is "stupid" or "trolling" about that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Paradoxal Posted 5 hours ago On 5/22/2025 at 9:19 AM, Sanity Check said: Most of its history being that of a moral nation, it has achieved longevity and long life. ...wait, enslavement, rape, and genocide are moral to you? Literally even now, the prison system is using folks for forced labor, y'know. And let's not forget eugenics originated in America, that we continue to suppress the native Americans whose land we stole, and that our "peacekeeping" is effectively imperialism. I suppose we each have our "free will" as to what is morally right and wrong... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sanity Check Posted 5 hours ago 9 minutes ago, Paradoxal said: ...wait, enslavement, rape, and genocide are moral to you? Literally even now, the prison system is using folks for forced labor, y'know. And let's not forget eugenics originated in America, that we continue to suppress the native Americans whose land we stole, and that our "peacekeeping" is effectively imperialism. I suppose we each have our "free will" as to what is morally right and wrong... Did you know that. Every nation on earth practiced slavery during some eras of history? How can you single out a nation for practicing slavery when all of them did. Your perspective is critically flawed from day 1. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Master Logray Posted 3 hours ago 1 hour ago, Sanity Check said: Every nation on earth practiced slavery during some eras of history? Many nations are new ones. So it is quite a philosophical question whether new nations should be responsible for Karma of their previous location or to all wider states that ruled it. e.g. Croatia, should it be responsible for slavery in Yugoslavia, Ottoman, Hungary and Roman Empire? Should current day Japan and Germany be responsible for genocides when almost every living Japanese and Germans are born after 1945? If a new nation and a new human is bound by something that happens before the birth, so what is free will stands here? People and nation are born with so much burdens, guilt, hostility.... They are not free from the start, not to mention free will. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sanity Check Posted 3 hours ago (edited) 13 minutes ago, Master Logray said: Many nations are new ones. So it is quite a philosophical question whether new nations should be responsible for Karma of their previous location or to all wider states that ruled it. e.g. Croatia, should it be responsible for slavery in Yugoslavia, Ottoman, Hungary and Roman Empire? Should current day Japan and Germany be responsible for genocides when almost every living Japanese and Germans are born after 1945? If a new nation and a new human is bound by something that happens before the birth, so what is free will stands here? People and nation are born with so much burdens, guilt, hostility.... They are not free from the start, not to mention free will. When narrators say "Genghis Khan was a ruthless warlord". They forget leaders of Genghis Khan's era were ALL ruthless warlords. There were no peaceful pacificsts in that world who survived for very long. Its pointless to look at status quo, historical consensus trends as if they were unique and individualized smoking guns. Edited 3 hours ago by Sanity Check Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Master Logray Posted 3 hours ago 4 minutes ago, Sanity Check said: When narrators say "Genghis Khan was a ruthless warlord". They forget leaders of Genghis Khan's era were ALL ruthless warlords. There were no peaceful pacificsts in that world who survived for very long. Its pointless to look at status quo, historical consensus trends as if they were unique and individualized smoking guns. He was bad because they customarily massacred the whole cities. Ruthless warlords were normally not so ruthless. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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