God interacting with humans.

[BigSkyDiamond]

49 minutes ago, Lairg said:

 

In the Hindu tradition the Mahapralaya  is the gap between the universe ceasing to exist and the next universe being manifested.  Locally it is the gap when Existence is not occurring.

 

The universe is the body of "incarnation" for a great spirit, that is called the Universal Logos in some traditions.

 

There are many universes and they are clustered as bodies for yet greater Logoi

 

There are many many layers of clustering.

 

Before any universes there is Beingness - with no manifested existence of any kind.

 

Periodically Beingness seems to desire experience and causes Existence with its myriad universes and intelligences - and Beingness interpenetrates them all

 

Some intelligences have a double dose of Beingness - including the soul-bearing humans.  

 

The intelligences with the double dose (and possibly much more) are useful in generating coherence within Existence and assist with providing "experiences" relevant to Beingness.

 

Plato's concept of Empyrean seems largely compatible with the above account

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empyrean   

 

 

 

The Cosmic Physical Plane has 7 subplanes: physical, emotional, mental, buddhic/heart, atma/intent, monadic and logoic.

 

Then there are the cosmic astral, cosmic mental etc.

 

The 7 cosmic planes are subplanes of the universal physical plane .......etc

 

And each set of subplanes is penetrated by the Five Electricities that carry the life force into the densest levels 

 

  These FIV E sorts of ELECTRICITIES being attracted under the influence of Universal Love, the Holy Ghost [CHIT], toward the Real Substance SAT, produce a magnetic field, which is called the body of Sattwa Buddhi, the intelligence. These five electricities being the causes of all other creations are called the PANCHA - TATTWA, the five root causes, and named as Causal Body of Purusha, the son of man 

https://yoganandaharmony.com/wp-content/uploads/Sri-Yukteswar-Cosmology.pdf

 

 

OK that helps.  Thank you for the additional information and articles.  I had also looked up on line the chart posted earlier,  and was reading about it here https://www.janetmyatt.com/post/7-the-spirit-s-descent-into-human-life.

 

So it sounds like at the tippy top is Beingness,  am I understanding correctly?  Looking at the first two rows of chart you originally posted (Divine and Monad), Divine is at the top, so is Beingness same as Divine in the framework presented?  wait a minute i am looking at the chart again, it looks like those levels are only for "existence" (physical plane) but not for the before existence.  So Beingness (when there are no universes at all) is not on that chart, is that right?   i think i'm starting to get it.

 

So then regarding this 
Periodically Beingness seems to desire experience and causes Existence with its myriad universes and intelligences - and Beingness interpenetrates them all

 

Beingness "precedes" and is the source or cause of Existence; and Existence includes the universes and everything in them.  Beingness is found in the universes and in Existence, but when the universes and Existence poof are gone, it does not affect Beingness, Beingness does not go away.

 

is that correct?  and are the characteristics of Beingness the following:  always was always will be, no beginning no end, unborn unformed unchanging.  (I had a buddy online who shared sometimes about the Vedanta framework).

 

my other question is, since Beingness "interpenetrates all of Existence" including me, then i can trace my origin all the way back to Beingness.  When the universes Existence poof disappear and only Beingness remains, am i still within the Beingness?    Or do you see it as when the universes disappear poof so do the crop of beings who have been cycling through and reincarnating all those lifetimes .  And in the next new universes with new planets and oceans and animals and myriad life forms, are the humans reincarnating then different ones?

 

i just want to see how our views align.  Thank you

 

 

 

 

Edited Wednesday at 05:22 AM by BigSkyDiamond

[Lairg]

29 minutes ago, BigSkyDiamond said:

Beingness (when there are no universes at all) is not on that chart, is that right?   

 

Quite right

 

 

[Krenx]

From a Buddhist perspective (Pali cannon): 

There are 5 realms that make up existance. The hell realm, animal realm, ghost realm, human realm, and heavenly realms. 

Hell realms are beings who suffer in all horrible kinds of ways you can imagine. These beings, you cannot communicate with. They are busy suffering. 

Animal realm and human realm, we interact with in our physical world at various degrees. 

Ghost realms are made up of hungry beings. Craving, unsatisfied, hungry. In a hungry limbo. They are hidden from the human realm, but do sometimes overlap, but cannot really cause any harm. They are in like a broken record loop of craving. This is why they knock on the same door, walk across that same door in that house over and over again. They can be an annoyance, and there are ways to relieve their suffering to help them cross to the next phase of their incarnation. 

Human realms are made up of humans, spirits, nagas(Dragons), Yakkhas(kind of spirit troll). And like humans, spirits have various temperaments. Overlapps sometimes. 

Heavenly realm consist of heavenly beings/ gods/devas. They also have a mix of different temperaments and interest depending on the deva. But there are some general characteristics, and unique ones that the buddha talks about:

- Devas generally are busy enjoying themselves, and their long lives. Most don't have interest in other realms, despite having knowledge about it. 

- The human realm, and most humans are actually very gross to devas. Not because of anything personal, it is like spiritual physics. Similar to how shit and mud is pleasing to insects and animals, but gross and dirty to us in general. 

- Virtuous people have a special aura/ light about them. And this is pleasing to devas, and it interest devas. This is why devas tend to interact with the buddha, or famous spiritual figures in religion. Virtuous people spiritually smell good and have a bright glow that devas/gods appreciate, and have interest in how they achieve it. There are suttas that talk about devas in different sizes appearing in the thousands flooding around the Buddha sometimes when he gives a dhamma talk. 

-  Mara, the evil one, is a very powerful deva, interacts with humans, and tries to stir a lot of trouble and suffering. Mara is a unique deva with this evil quality, and also a cosmological position that will always exist/be born after one passes away. Mara also represents the symbolic evil in our hearts. Mara often directly interacts with highly enlightened beings like the buddha and his disciples, because he does not like the fact that the dhamma they teach gets people to stop playing in his playground of suffering he has constructed, shaped in the world. 

Many devas do have some sense, or memory of how they acquired their position. It was due to meritorious deeds, various virtues, generosity, etc. And because of that, they really celebrate it, and continue to enjoy its fruits for a long time. So when they witness virtuous beings, they are inclined to interact, question them, learn from them, and commend the human's achievement, share their own experiences, recommend virtue to humans for their benefit, and hopefully join the heavenly realms one day. (Mara is the odd one that is has different evil goals).

You can sense this flavour of devas/gods, mara, in other religions. 

 

Edited Wednesday at 07:06 AM by Krenx

[Lairg]

44 minutes ago, BigSkyDiamond said:

are the characteristics of Beingness the following:  always was always will be, no beginning no end, unborn unformed unchanging

 

That is more or less my experience - except that Beingness must change otherwise there would be no point in causing Existence

 

45 minutes ago, BigSkyDiamond said:

since Beingness "interpenetrates all of Existence" including me, then i can trace my origin all the way back to Beingness

 

In your case that is true.  You are before and after Existence.  That seems true of soul-bearing specimens.   As you refine your humanness you naturally experience more intense presence of Beingness

 

I use "soul" in a non-technical sense.   Blavatsky wrote that on any city corner you could see soulless humans.   I agree with that.   The HR head of a large public sector organization was such a one.   One of her staff described her as "useless"

 

59 minutes ago, BigSkyDiamond said:

, are the humans reincarnating then different ones?

 

 

The "threads"  Beingness are the same.  If the solar angels are the same it is likely that the "permanent atoms" carry the learnings and unresolved trauma into the next parallel incarnations

 

https://www.lucistrust.org/online_books/a_treatise_on_cosmic_fire_obooks/section_two_the_fire_mind_solar_fire/division_the_egoic_ray_and_solar_fire/ii_the_nature_the_permanent_atoms_part1

 

 

 

 

[Sanity Check]

On 4/8/2025 at 8:09 AM, Cadcam said:

Suppose, as many do, that God and the devil are real. These beings and their kin interact with humans to guide and mold identity and actions. Do you suppose they would rather that one was aware of this interaction, or oblivious to it?

 

 

It doesn't matter if people are aware of it or completely oblivious.

 

 

[old3bob]

9 hours ago, BigSkyDiamond said:

 

i don't see them as vindictive or punishing, more like mirrors that reflect and send back and amplify whatever  a person may carry or harbor.  because it's not about "the gods" it's about each of us developing our own character and integrity.   we have access to immense power but when it is mis-used it eventually implodes on us.   

 

yea some of that reflection is one aspect, then again I'd say such beings/guardians  are not passive and take action if needed which is about their place in the order of things. (besides what or where any other being may be at or up to)

[Cobie]

 

16 hours ago, BigSkyDiamond said:

... the single Entity at the top? ... 

 

Dao.  Dao is ‘the One’, “the single Entity at the top“.

 

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… which gives birth to the One. ... 

 

"the One" was not given birth to; it's the 'unborn', the 'prime mover'. 

 

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... The Tao gives birth to the One. ...

 

This translates  生 as "gives birth to". But 生 had many different meanings. In this context it means ‘to be’.  The first line of your ch. 42 quote in characters is 道 生 一   (dao4 sheng1 yi1)

 

一 (yi1)

in this context refers to  太 一 (tai4 yi1) the ‘One’, the ‘Oneness’. Beginning with the DDJ, in early Daoism 

‘Oneness’ is significanct in terms of cosmogony. ‘Oneness’ often appears as a synonym of Dao.

 

道  (dao4) 

in this context refers to   一  (yi1). Dao is the origin of everything, which is also called  一  (yi1)

 

 

道 生 一   (dao4 sheng1 yi1)  Dao is the the origin of all things. 

 

 

Edited Wednesday at 06:54 PM by Cobie

[Cadcam]

From what I have witnessed, the gods or demons or whatever aren't too exceptionally malicious but it wouldn't surprise me if they could do anything they desire.  Imagine what it would be like to be an immortal being with all power over this level of reality. Might be boring. 

[Cobie]

 

17 hours ago, 心神 ~ said:

This is exhausting. I would love to read conversations where people aren't constantly challenged to defend themselves. Why isn't this considered a pattern of bullying?

 

17 hours ago, BigSkyDiamond said:

That is exactly what it is.  I will not be bullied into responding.  Every person is able to choose which posts they respond to and which conversations they engage in.

 

Bullying is not allowed on the forum. The admods cannot be expected to see every thread, they are volunteers with time restrictions. When you see bullying, please report it to the admods.

 

 

Edited Wednesday at 07:25 PM by Cobie

[心神 ~]

30 minutes ago, Cobie said:

 

Bullying is not allowed on the forum. The admods cannot be expected to see every thread, they are volunteers with time restrictions. When you see bullying, please report it to the admods.

 

 

I understand. My message icon has been missing for some time, so I brought it to attention here. Not sure quite who to @ for it.

 

[Cobie]

 

5 minutes ago, 心神 ~ said:

…  My message icon has been missing for some time … Not sure quite who to @ for it.

There’s a subforum called ‘Forum and Tech Support’. You could make it a topic there. 

 

 

[BigSkyDiamond]

7 hours ago, Cobie said:

Dao.  Dao is ‘the One’, “the single Entity at the top“.

 

"the One" was not given birth to; it's the 'unborn', the 'prime mover'. 

 

This translates  生 as "gives birth to". But 生 had many different meanings. In this context it means ‘to be’.  The first line of your ch. 42 quote in characters is 道 生 一   (dao4 sheng1 yi1)

 

一 (yi1)

in this context refers to  太 一 (tai4 yi1) the ‘One’, the ‘Oneness’. Beginning with the DDJ, in early Daoism 

‘Oneness’ is significanct in terms of cosmogony. ‘Oneness’ often appears as a synonym of Dao.

 

道  (dao4) 

in this context refers to   一  (yi1). Dao is the origin of everything, which is also called  一  (yi1)

 

 

道 生 一   (dao4 sheng1 yi1)  Dao is the the origin of all things. 

 

 

 

 

OK this is great thank you so much for input on the lines from verse 42 in the Tao Te Ching. Regarding the first line especially,  I have wondered about and tried to get a sense of that for the longest time.  I am still trying to..  How do you see or describe or understand what is  the difference between Tao and the One in this sequence shown:

 

The Tao gives birth to the One.

The One gives birth to the Two. 

The Two give birth to the Three. 

The Three give birth to the ten thousand things.

 

     --- from verse 42, Tao Te Ching

 

 

or if you have a translation that might clarify that.  I get that the Tao is the top of the chain.  And I get that the  10,000 things is well shorthand for me is "the universe and everything in it.  .  What i am grappling with is what differentiates the Tao from the next item mentioned which is the One.   I would also like to hear how people understand what are the emerging "the Two" and "the Three." which precede the Ten Thousand things.  But my burning desire most of all  is with regards to the first line.

 

I have such an appreciation for those on the forum who know Chinese and (gasp) are able to read the original and translate the Tao  themselves (wide-eyed me in awe).  I like using the resource online that has a whole bunch of translations so i can pck a verse and read a whole bunch of different versions.  But what i really want is to hear how people understand the first line and the progression described.

 

Thank you any and all for in put. 
 

Edited Wednesday at 08:16 PM by BigSkyDiamond

[Cobie]

28 minutes ago, BigSkyDiamond said:

… what is  the difference between Tao and the one in the sequence described:

 

There is no difference. Dao = the One.  They’re just different names for the same thing. Like in Christianity there’s loads of other names for God e.g. the good Lord, the Creator, the Almighty.

 

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… what differentiates the Tao from the next step which is the One.  …

 

Again, Dao = the One. There’s no difference.

 

Laozi often likes to play with the fact that Clasical Chines was polysemic. So here 生 is used in different meanings in every line:

 

1. 道 生 一     (yi1 dao4 sheng1)  Dao is the One (the origin of all things).

2. 一 生 二     (er4)                          the One (Dao) created the two (meaning sky and earth)

3. 二 生 三     (san1)                       the two (sky and earth) produced  a few (三 ‘three’ also means ‘a few’)

4. 三 生 萬 物                                  the few gave birth to all the people that exist now.

 

 

Edited Wednesday at 08:32 PM by Cobie

[BigSkyDiamond]

Thank you Cobie.

I have always read or understood "the ten thousand things" as the universe and everything in it.  And that there are intermediate steps in the sequence between The Tao and then eventually the worlds of form  (the universe and everything in it)

 

what is your sense of the top of the heap Tao, its characteristics.   My understanding is unborn, unformed, unchanging, always was, always will be, no beginning, no end.  

 

questions for anyone to discuss or address.  I may be going too far off topic for this thread "God Interacting With Humans."  Is there an existing thread for discussion of Verse 42 from the Tao Te Ching, or maybe I should start a new thread?  (new to the forum, seek to stay in compliance)

[Cobie]

3 minutes ago, BigSkyDiamond said:

Thank you Cobie.

I have always read or understood "the ten thousand things" as the universe and everything in it.  And that there are intermediate steps in the sequence between The Tao and then eventually the worlds of form  (the universe and everything in it)

 

what is your sense of the top of the heap Tao, its characteristics.   My understanding is unborn, unformed, unchanging, always was, always will be, no beginning, no end.  

 

questions for anyone to discuss or address.  I may be going too far off topic for this thread "God Interacting With Humans."  Is there an existing thread for discussion of Verse 42 from the Tao Te Ching, or maybe I should start a new thread?  (new to the forum, seek to stay in compliance)

Great questions and would love to reply but no time now, another time. Bye for now.
 

 

[Surya]

I quite like this perspective: 

I know it is a little rude to dump a 25 min video here, but I belive it is very relevant to the discourse, and Id assume people here tend to enjoy the Watts.

[old3bob]

7 hours ago, Cadcam said:

From what I have witnessed, the gods or demons or whatever aren't too exceptionally malicious but it wouldn't surprise me if they could do anything they desire.  Imagine what it would be like to be an immortal being with all power over this level of reality. Might be boring. 

 

I suggest putting that on wait and see until you see more...  (btw the good guys do not "lord it over" with power on the rest of us)

[BigSkyDiamond]

27 minutes ago, Cobie said:

Great questions and would love to reply but no time now, another time. Bye for now.

 

Thanks Cobie.  I went ahead and started another thread here specific to verse 42 of the Tao Te Ching, for further discussion.  I didn't want to go too far off topic from "God Interacting With Humans"

 

Edited Wednesday at 09:04 PM by BigSkyDiamond

[Nungali]

22 hours ago, 心神 ~ said:

This is exhausting. I would love to read conversations where people aren't constantly challenged to defend themselves. Why isn't this considered a pattern of bullying?

 

I could enter into discourse' with you about it , but during that discourse' if  you bought forward points that were unclear , irrational , illogical, I would bring that up as part of the discussion  .  if you tried to argue dishonestly , move goal posts , switch subjects, use red herrings, refuse to answer obvious questions that might be at the heart of your complaint  or the general subject matter , etc etc .  and you might complain about being 'bullied' again . 

 

I know a lot of people nowadays don't like being challenged like this ,,, they just want   cuddly feel good acceptance .  In an Abrahamic forum, someone posts about God interacting with humans  .... I  asked why, considering ( and in the scriptural context )  why  this idea of God  (in the  Jewish Bible and Christian Old testament  )   is to be considered  'good' considering the crimes  he supposedly urged his 'chosen people' to do .  This is not a valid observation in a thread  about God interacting with humans ? 

 

So I must be an atheist  !   Or perhaps it is considered , in asking the question I did ,  I disrupted the thread and diverted it  .... in a thread entitled 'God interacting with humans .

 

Do you require me to be censured ?   

 

So, what's your verdict ?  Should I drink the hemlock or accept   deportation ? 

 

 

[BigSkyDiamond]

11 hours ago, Cadcam said:

From what I have witnessed, the gods or demons or whatever aren't too exceptionally malicious but it wouldn't surprise me if they could do anything they desire.  Imagine what it would be like to be an immortal being with all power over this level of reality. Might be boring. 

 

But that is exactly what we are. you are. i am.  

Consider this.  What if you ARE exactly that (an immportal being) and what if you DO have that level of power over reality.

 

This is a serious question for consideration; and it is NOT a "what would you do if you were God" question.  Let me use an analogy.  When you have a dream and you are also in the dream, who has power over the dream?  Who has all power over this level of reality that is the dream you are dreaming?

 

This is actually where I am holding right now with my own frame of reference.  And there are paths of religion and spirituality which correlate with this.  When I am in a dream it feels very very real.  Even when i have the same recurring dream it is very scary every time and i feel the sensations and it bodily feels like I am right there  (for me it is being chased and it is terrifying.)   Who has all power over the dream?  Well the me having the dream is "real" and when i wake up i see that the me in the dream that was being chased is not real.   whew.  I always feel better upon waking up with extreme sense of relief that it is over, that it has ended, and most of all that it was not real.  So glad that did not really happen.  Nothing really happened.

 

OK.  Who has power over the dream?  Well, no one else is having the dream, so the dream stems from me, comes from me, and 100% belongs to me.   Therefore I am responsible for the dream and I have power over the dream.  Not the me "in" the dream because it feels very real in the dream and i just want to get away.  But the me having the dream.  

 

That is what physical reality is.  The world the universe and everything in it people places and things, is a dream that the "real me" is having.  In the dream it feels very real (the physical world and physical body that we inhabit and all the other people in it).  But when I wake up from the dream i see that it was not real.  Nothing really happened.

 

That is why it's called Awakening.

 

It's like if you invented a computer game, and then you fell into the computer game and you were running around and kept being killed and coming back over and over and went all the different levels and explored all the different quests, and chose all the different characters you could be (the wizard, the warrior, the farmer, the magician).  Who has power over the computer game?  How do you get out of the computer game that you designed and built and then fell into as a character and you are stuck in there.    Like the post above says  what would you do and what would it be like as  an immortal being with all power over this level of reality.  The you that designed the computer game is the real you.  The you that is stuck in the computer game is of course not real.  

 

It's like that.  The correlation in some paths of religion and spirituality is getting off the cycle of birth and rebirth completely.  And being the "real" self.   That is the immortal part.  Because the real "me" or the real you, the dreamer, the computer game designer is unborn unformed unchanging always was always will be no beginning no end, outside of time, no time no space no form.

 

good thread topic by the way, thank you for starting it

 

 

Edited Thursday at 12:31 AM by BigSkyDiamond

[Lairg]

49 minutes ago, BigSkyDiamond said:

What if you ARE exactly that (an immortal being) and what if you DO have that level of power over reality.

 

 

Since you are a conscious and probably intentional part of Existence, you must have relationships and purposes.

 

49 minutes ago, BigSkyDiamond said:

When I am in a dream it feels very very real. 

 

Dreams seem to be classifiable as:

 

-  Reprocessing past events

-  Out-of-body interactions - positive and negative

-  Parallel timeline experiences

-  Artificial constructs often imposed externally

-  Portal events

-  Abductions

-  Multiple incarnations of the same soul

-  Mind control interventions

-  Others that I can't think of at present

 

These categories can be tested experimentally.  For example go back on this timeline to the time of the dream and enter the scene - then interact with the players

 

49 minutes ago, BigSkyDiamond said:

what would it be like as  an immortal being with all power over this level of reality. 

 

Regrettably, having given so many soul-bearing specimens some free will - I no longer have all power

 

 

 

 

Edited Thursday at 01:05 AM by Lairg

[Nungali]

Interesting post . You are not the 'first'   ;  

 

Long time ago BEFORE the dream time .... Ungud earth snake rainbow serpent is alone on the earth , which is uniformed , just a disc of sand  with Ungud on it . he looks up to the heavens and sees Wallenganda , black snake , the dark river running through the Milky Way , and he sees all the 'ooh-aahs' ( the stars )  that are the campfires of her children , camped along the riverbanks of their mother . 

 

Wallenganda notices Ungud looking at her  : " What you looking at !  ? "

 

" I am looking up at you and your children ."

 

" Why you looking ! ? "    (in some Aboriginal cultures ;  rude to 'stare' )

 

" because you look beautiful  ... up there , with all your children ... and the river  ....  poor Ungud, down here all alone , I got no river , I got no children .... poor Ungud  ."

 

So Wallenganda felt sorry for him , she spat some of her water down on Ungud , Ungud gathered it together  and dived down through the sand taking the water with him and left a big sandhill behind that turned to stone   ( Uluru - Ayres Rock ) .   he took the water underground and held it together  ( the Great Artesian basin )  and he curled up in that water and went to sleep ... and had a dream . And in that dream he multiplied himself and  all  the Ungud's went out in different directions  and the water followed ,, he surfaced and made springs, he dived back down and made soaks  until eventually they all came toi the edge and went out and the water flowed behind them and made the great Sea .   And eventaully the wandjina ( associated with rain ) appeared , and life and animals and people .... all part of Ungud's dream . 

 

One day, that old snake down there dreaming will wake up !  You, me , all of this , finished .  All a dream  ... but a good dream . 

 

 

      

 

  

 

 

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[BigSkyDiamond]

55 minutes ago, Nungali said:

Interesting post . You are not the 'first'   ;  

Long time ago BEFORE the dream time .... Ungud earth snake rainbow serpent is alone on the earth , which is uniformed , just a disc of sand  with Ungud on it . he looks up to the heavens and sees Wallenganda , black snake , the dark river running through the Milky Way , and he sees all the 'ooh-aahs' ( the stars )  that are the campfires of her children , camped along the riverbanks of their mother . 

 

One day, that old snake down there dreaming will wake up !  You, me , all of this , finished .  All a dream  ... but a good dream .  

Earth's Water Fallen from Outer Space

 

the earth and the galaxies and the waters and outer space and the universe and everything in it will be gone poof but the dreamer remains.   Unformed, unborn, unchanging, no space, no time, no form, no beginning, no end,  always was, always will be.  That is the dreamer.  And that dreamer is me.

 

that is who we are.  that is what is real.   [in my frame of reference anyway; different set of parameters for each person in their own universe]

 

where I am holding right now is how to get out.  The me in the dream, in the computer game needs to activate that which will get me out.  Another correlation with regards to paths of religion and spirituality, is discarding the attachment  to the universe and everything in it, and that includes most important of all, the attachment to the belief that it is real. Another belief that has anchored me here is the system of reincarnation itself and karma, my belief in that.  Dissolving that too. i do think there are maps left for us how to get out in the many traditions and paths that provide various guides to Enlightenment or Awakening.  They have left a variety of Exit signs lit up to show the way.

Edited Thursday at 02:03 AM by BigSkyDiamond

[BigSkyDiamond]

2 hours ago, Lairg said:

Since you are a conscious and probably intentional part of Existence, you must have relationships and purposes.

 

When I am a character in a computer game yes there is all sorts of purpose, all sorts of adventure, challenges, it is mesmerizing. Even on the mundane human level we recognize that, that is why we get sucked into it.  We keep going on to the next game and the next.  It is very satisfying on many levels: intellectually, creative, requires intelligence, setting up systems and strategy, figuring out how it works. yes relationships too, teams and guilds and alliances.  And it keeps us coming back for more.  Same with the universe and everything in it.  It keeps us coming back for more and it engages us for the same reasons. 

 

but at some point after so many eras and eons reincarnating, thousands of lifetimes or tens of thousands, at some point we realize enough is enough. it is repetitive. it is the same thing over and over.  and we say get me out of here.  It is not real.  The real me is the core of my being, the stillness the silence.  that is my ticket out.

 

the universe and everything in it is enticing.  it is seductive.  it is engaging.  it is fascinating.  we have forever to hang around and explore it all, map and define and learn about and interact with the systems, the life forms, it is a feast and we keep coming back.  until we don't want to anymore.

 

so in asnwer to question posed, i dont see that as a must for me.  Where is it written that i must have relationships or that i must have purpose?  (good question by the way Lairg, good scenario to posit there for consideration). 

 

Let me think about it a little differently.  what is my purpose at this momentfor my life?  From the perspective of my infinite Self (the part of me that emerged from Beingness and never left Beingness and is Beingness  [in the parlance that has been discussed as frame of reference with Lairg], from that standpoint my purpose in this incarnation is to figure out how to get out altogether, to completely exit the cycle of re-incarnating at all ever.  For me then the universe and everything it (I think we are calling that Existence) poofs is gone and wafts away.  It has no more substance or reality than a dream does.  It goes where any dream goes when I wake up.  It is not real.  Beingness is real.  So i hang out there in no-time and no-form.

 

[at other times i would have answered a different purpose for myself, either purpose for this lifetime, or for reincarnating over and over in general.]  good question. i'm curious to hear from others on this.  How about you Lairg how would you answer regarding what you see as your purpose.  good stuff here.

 

 

Edited Thursday at 03:04 AM by BigSkyDiamond

[Lairg]

1 minute ago, BigSkyDiamond said:

at some point after so many eras and eons reincarnating, thousands of lifetimes or tens of thousands, at some point we realize enough is enough. it is repetitive. it is the same thing over and over.  and we say get me out of here.

 

 

Many years ago I worked as  a laborer on the wharves.  It was "job and finish".  Perhaps the same applies to laboring amongst Earth humans

 

2 minutes ago, BigSkyDiamond said:

what is my purpose at this momentfor my life? 

 

 

Fortunately the real You (outside this universe) is able to manage parallel processing.  When a thread of light anchored in a specimen, in a particular species and galaxy, finds the going a bit slow, attention turns more to the other anchors for a while

 

As a bit of background, the elemental ensouling the minerals of this galaxy is getting ready for promotion.   Perhaps you could help