Akashic records

[Nungali]

16 hours ago, stirling said:

… and he speaks with great clarity about something he is intimately familiar with, that just happens to be true. 🙂

 

It struck me that he was not talking about    'being aware '   

 

but 

 

' being awareness ' . 

[Nungali]

3 hours ago, doc benway said:

 

I had a chance to spend some time visiting an intentional community based on Rudolph Steiner and theosophical principles. Very interesting and mostly self-sufficient community, particularly the elder care and biodynamic farming, but not quite my cup of tea.

 

I think one of Jiddu Krishnamurti’s most insightful and valuable actions was rejecting the Theosophists’ mantle of world teacher and disbanding of the Order of the Star. This refusal to participate in the hierarchy prevented yet another cult of spiritual control and empowered the individual in all matters of spiritual investigation, perhaps the most important thing I gained from his teachings. 

 

I worked with a woman once    that wore an 'Order of the Star' badge , I asked her 'Isnt that finished by now  ?"

 

" Not with me it isn't !  "  

  

 

Jiddu was rather pop here  ( well, in Sydney ) at one stage . he was supposed to come when he was still being touted as world teacher*  .....    another Theosophical fiasco !  

 

*  reception amphitheater for Krishnamurti , Sydney Harbor ;

 

 

 

 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Amphitheatre

 

[old3bob]

On 7/5/2025 at 2:11 PM, doc benway said:

Seems to me like JK and JC had a similar relationship to their followers and a similar resistance to hierarchy. The rest was added later by people wanting to use their gifts to control others. In true spirit there can be no hierarchy.

 

In the NT Jesus said something close to,  "I do nothing except by the Father" and "not my will but thine",  he was also named or called  "King of kings" (etc.) which smacks of lawful spiritual hierarchy...but sure he was against a heavy handed, "lording it over on" type of hierarchy by corrupted and egotistic worldly powers.  Btw,  I'd say JK. lost it along the way (Kundalini or no Kundalini) per his profound sounding denials or profound sounding smiting along with some added commiserated like and incomplete conclusions.

[doc benway]

43 minutes ago, old3bob said:

 

In the NT Jesus said something close to,  "I do nothing except by the Father" and "not my will but thine",

 

To me that is similar to JK's refusal to accept the designation of world teacher.

He was always guiding his followers to look inward, not to him but towards something new, something unknown. 

At least that's what I took from his teachings.

 

43 minutes ago, old3bob said:

 he was also named or called  "King of kings" (etc.) which smacks of lawful spiritual hierarchy...but sure he was against a heavy handed, "lording it over on" type of hierarchy by corrupted and egotistic worldly powers. 

 

Yes, he was given all kinds of names and titles. Did he ask for them or create them for himself?

Just like the Order of the Star wanted to call JK the World Teacher, JC's cult had other ideas for him and continue to use and abuse his name for their own ends. It puts me in mind of a beautiful parable from Anthony Demello - 

 

Spoiler

There’s this guy who invented the art of making fire. He goes up to the snow-clad northern regions where you have hill tribes shivering in the bitter cold, and he begins to teach them the art and advantages of making fire. He shows them the value of being able to be warm in the winter, cooking their food, helping with their buildings—and they learnt enthusiastically.

 

They were so grateful that they had learned the art of making fire, but before they could express their gratitude, he quietly slipped away. He didn’t even give them time to thank him because you know those rare human beings endowed with greatness—they’re not bothered about being remembered, they’re not bothered about being thanked—they want your good.

 

He went to another tribe, and he began to teach them to make fire. The people were enthusiastic, and he began to get more and more popular. The priests feared that their own popularity would diminish, so they decided to get rid of him by poisoning him. A suspicion arose among the people that it was the priests who had done it, so you know what the priests did?

 

They had a portrait of the Great Inventor enthroned upon the main altar of the temple, and a liturgy designed so that his name would be revered and his memory kept alive. The greatest care was taken that not a single rubric of the liturgy was altered or omitted. The tools for making fire were enshrined within a casket and were said to bring healing to all who laid their hands on them with faith. The High Priest himself undertook the task of compiling a Life of the Inventor. This became the Holy Book in which the Inventor’s loving-kindness was offered as an example for all to emulate, his glorious deeds were eulogized, his superhuman nature made an article of faith.

 

The priests saw to it that the Book was handed down to future generations, while they authoritatively interpreted the meaning of his words and the significance of his holy life and death. And they ruthlessly punished with death or excommunication anyone who deviated from their doctrine.

 

Caught up as they were in these religious tasks, the people completely forgot the art of making fire. The veneration, the worship, the ritual, were faithfully observed and went on decade after decade, century after century. But, there was no fire. Ritual, remembrance, gratitude, veneration, goodwill, yes. But, no fire.

 

43 minutes ago, old3bob said:

Btw,  I'd say JK. lost it along the way (Kundalini or no Kundalini) per his profound sounding denials or profound sounding smiting along with some added commiserated like and incomplete conclusions.

 

For me his teachings were always very open, no conclusions, only guiding people to find their own way through self-inquiry. 

Up through his last teachings, I found him to be very consistent but certainly not everyone's cup of tea.

YMMV

 

[old3bob]

39 minutes ago, doc benway said:

 

To me that is similar to JK's refusal to accept the designation of world teacher.

He was always guiding his followers to look inward, not to him but towards something new, something unknown. 

At least that's what I took from his teachings.

 

 

Yes, he was given all kinds of names and titles. Did he ask for them or create them for himself?

Just like the Order of the Star wanted to call JK the World Teacher, JC's cult had other ideas for him and continue to use and abuse his name for their own ends. It puts me in mind of a beautiful parable from Anthony Demello - 

 

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There’s this guy who invented the art of making fire. He goes up to the snow-clad northern regions where you have hill tribes shivering in the bitter cold, and he begins to teach them the art and advantages of making fire. He shows them the value of being able to be warm in the winter, cooking their food, helping with their buildings—and they learnt enthusiastically.

 

They were so grateful that they had learned the art of making fire, but before they could express their gratitude, he quietly slipped away. He didn’t even give them time to thank him because you know those rare human beings endowed with greatness—they’re not bothered about being remembered, they’re not bothered about being thanked—they want your good.

 

He went to another tribe, and he began to teach them to make fire. The people were enthusiastic, and he began to get more and more popular. The priests feared that their own popularity would diminish, so they decided to get rid of him by poisoning him. A suspicion arose among the people that it was the priests who had done it, so you know what the priests did?

 

They had a portrait of the Great Inventor enthroned upon the main altar of the temple, and a liturgy designed so that his name would be revered and his memory kept alive. The greatest care was taken that not a single rubric of the liturgy was altered or omitted. The tools for making fire were enshrined within a casket and were said to bring healing to all who laid their hands on them with faith. The High Priest himself undertook the task of compiling a Life of the Inventor. This became the Holy Book in which the Inventor’s loving-kindness was offered as an example for all to emulate, his glorious deeds were eulogized, his superhuman nature made an article of faith.

 

The priests saw to it that the Book was handed down to future generations, while they authoritatively interpreted the meaning of his words and the significance of his holy life and death. And they ruthlessly punished with death or excommunication anyone who deviated from their doctrine.

 

Caught up as they were in these religious tasks, the people completely forgot the art of making fire. The veneration, the worship, the ritual, were faithfully observed and went on decade after decade, century after century. But, there was no fire. Ritual, remembrance, gratitude, veneration, goodwill, yes. But, no fire.

 

 

For me his teachings were always very open, no conclusions, only guiding people to find their own way through self-inquiry. 

Up through his last teachings, I found him to be very consistent but certainly not everyone's cup of tea.

YMMV

 

 

granted he did share some gems, then again "no man (or woman) is an island" and no man  or woman does any kind of humanistic or spiritual work without help getting there... besides self-inquiry or no self-inquiry...

Btw, I'd say his anti-guru guruism was pretty much his incomplete conclusion or stance.

Edited July 7 by old3bob

[Jadespear]

On 7/4/2025 at 8:34 PM, stirling said:

 

I wouldn't accuse your friend of lying. He might have had an experience of that which he remembers vividly. I can remember my 18th birthday party, but it is ONLY a memory, not something I can see or experience now. This is the problem. 

 

As much as I love the idea, an Akashic records vault full of stories about he past and future violates everything that insight into emptiness/dao/Buddha nature clearly demonstrates about reality in this moment. Speaking solely for myself, I would only believe it if I saw it but it would have to violate everything I know about the ultimate qualities of reality, AND it would have to be something that was always available in this moment.

 

It is instructive, by way of an example, to look at what some enlightened teachers say about their ultimate conclusions on past lives. This example comes most easily to mind, but my teacher and others I have chatted to about this topic say essentially the same thing:

 

 

Experiences of past lives DO happen - but that doesn't mean they have any deeper reality than something you dream, or even something you did yesterday. Can you see your past life, or experience of the Akashic records in this moment? This is what matters. This is the litmus test for what is "real". Anything you are not experiencing in this this moment, where you are, is a story you are telling yourself. This is obvious where there is non-dual/unity understanding. Insight into the non-dual nature of reality is omnipresent - part of this moment of experiencing forever.

 

 

 

"As much as I love the idea, an Akashic records vault full of stories about he past and future violates everything that insight into emptiness/dao/Buddha nature clearly demonstrates about reality in this moment. Speaking solely for myself, I would only believe it if I saw it but it would have to violate everything I know about the ultimate qualities of reality, AND it would have to be something that was always available in this moment."

 

---- VVV

Ok, but you realize that you're saying a persons experience is invalid because it doesn't conform to what you believe... that itself doesn't make sense.  Thats the whole point of experience trumping belief.  What are you referring to as in "insight into emptiness/dao/buddha nature clearly demonstrates"?   What ultimate qualities of reality do you know?  

[Nungali]

Some say there is an 'imprint' or 'echo' left  'in this world '  .   That is how some explain 'spirits or ghosts ' .  One of my most interesting experiences  in this regard  (  part of the 'interesting' is that it had a double objective  collaboration ) ,   I was told the 'ghost'    was just that , an imprint or memory  that still existed . 

 

I cant buy that at all as this communication involved things that were happening right then , including  recently  published music that I was playing  that  the 'spirit'   ( I don't like these terms spirit or ghost in this incidence ... I prefer  'nice old lady ' )   commented on and appreciated . 

 

I don't see how that could be a past imprint or 'echo' . 

[stirling]

1 hour ago, Jadespear said:

--- VVV

Ok, but you realize that you're saying a persons experience is invalid because it doesn't conform to what you believe... that itself doesn't make sense.  Thats the whole point of experience trumping belief.  What are you referring to as in "insight into emptiness/dao/buddha nature clearly demonstrates"?   What ultimate qualities of reality do you know?  

 

Not at all, my friend! I am saying that belief in something from the past can't compete with permanent-always-happening-now insight. 

 

What I am saying is that there are "spiritual experiences" (meeting gods/past lives/akashic records/etc.) which all of us on this board can probably remember, but not experience now. Once an experience has been had it exists only in the past. If we decide these remembered experiences were "real" it is only as a belief... a story. I can remember many strange and interesting experiences, but they aren't happening here and now, and will never happen the same exact way again, if at all. Even if I DID have Jesus show up in this moment (he isn't here presently, however) I could still see that "he" was a much a part of the fabric of "emptiness" as anything else in the room he appeared in.

 

Insight into the Dao/Emptiness/Unity/Brahman, in short, "Enlightenment" is ALWAYS visible once seen completely. It is permanent, and is the one salient characteristic of ALL phenomena, including would-be gods and akashic records. It upends the model for how the world is seen by revealing a fundamental flaw in the story we have always told ourselves about things. Once it has been seen, the story of our model of reality is shattered. The reality of the existence of an individual person (a "self"), of time, of space, and even of any two things that exist to react together is broken. The phenomena of the world, the people, trees, cars, everything else still is present, but known to be a play of impermanence happening, but transforming moment to moment, light and color - all of it with a complete lack of any intrinsic existence of its own. 

[Lairg]

13 minutes ago, stirling said:

Once an experience has been had it exists only in the past.

 

Occasionally I make a silly decision to admit improper energies to my light body.

 

So far I have always been able to reverse the decision with no on-going effects.

 

I just go back on this timeline to before the decision and make a different decision.  That changes the relationship energies so that there are no on-going effects from my foolishness.

 

I have not been in a situation to observe physical changes on the same timeline.

 

On a couple occasions there were physical differences but that was between parallel timelines. 

 

 

Edited yesterday at 12:50 AM by Lairg

[Apotheose]

20 hours ago, Lairg said:

I just go back on this timeline to before the decision and make a different decision.  That changes the relationship energies so that there are no on-going effects from my foolishness.

 

That’s a technique I find very interesting and I need to get back to practicing. Thanks for the accidental reminder hahaha.

 

Did you happen to learn it from the lectures of the kabbalist Neville Goddard? I think he calls it “Revision”.

[Lairg]

19 minutes ago, Apotheose said:

Did you happen to learn it from the lectures of the kabbalist Neville Goddard?

 

It just appeared in my mind as a thing to do

 

I was a little uncertain about posting the technique but apparently it was already in the public domain

 

 

 

 

Edited 13 hours ago by Lairg

[BigSkyDiamond]

12 minutes ago, Lairg said:

It just appeared in my mind as a thing to do

I was a little uncertain about posting the technique but apparently it was already in the public domain

 

here is link to guide on how to do the Revision.  It also includes within an additional link for Clearing Karmic Complex.

[Lairg]

There may be faster techniques than the Revision method

 

A few days ago a friend phoned and commented that as a child she felt unloved.  So I had her go back on this timeline to age 5, where she saw the unhappy child.

 

She gave the child some heart light and immediately we could see it cheered up.

 

At the same time I noticed the adult had cheered up.   She agreed.

 

Time taken - perhaps 3 minutes

 

 

Edited 11 hours ago by Lairg

[Apotheose]

2 hours ago, Lairg said:

It just appeared in my mind as a thing to do

That’s honestly amazing.

[Lairg]

42 minutes ago, Apotheose said:

3 hours ago, Lairg said:

It just appeared in my mind as a thing to do

That’s honestly amazing.

 

For many years thoughts, images, voices and words have appeared in my mind.

 

It took me a decade to identify the primary voice.  It turned out he was my father in Atlantis - amongst other roles.   

 

These days I am more conscious and circumspect in dealing with incoming.  And my Atlantean father has more important duties than looking after me.

 

 

 

 

Edited 10 hours ago by Lairg