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  1. Hello and please help

    Welcome Xiao San. What do you like about taoism? Is there a specific field of information that interests you?...such as internal exercises, herbology, philosophy? ...There are many people on this site that have very different practices, interests, and opinions. I would suggest to look at this site as more of an open place to relate and inquire rather than a place to seek direct instruction/training. Lots of people here read A LOT. As in- most of the information discussed here is lifted from historical texts. Perhaps beginning with a book that interests you would be a good start.
  2. An end to the intellect?

    ... why try to acclimate? I understand that constant thought or even the most menial of thinking is one thing that can be called "the intellect", and there is another way of understanding that is more intuitive, which I believe is the somewhat basis of certain types of thought, and there is even yet another level deeper that is subconscious and instinctual. Underlying all these and through them is the all pervasive awareness of oneself. Are you trying to only be aware ?
  3. What We Think We Know

    ... The paradox is just a hidden message of telling people to not follow other people just because it is easy. In all honesty, how can anyone really say they have never at least heard or even pursued the thoughts or practices of another person in any subject?.... no one can. From there, a totally divergent idea evolves around spirituality. Spirituality by its nature is both subjective and objective. Hence the paradox pervades the musings of krishnamurti.
  4. An end to the intellect?

    I hope you all know that the word “adept” simply means one who is skilled. All you’re debating here is mostly philosophical and subjective in nature to your own experiences... nothing really adept about it... unless you count having a philosophical point of view and opinion and your own experiences as equating to an adept... pretty sure real “adepts” actually have somewhat useful skills more than intellectual conjecture and mental mind games.
  5. An end to the intellect?

    ...Yes, while the constant internal verbal speaking is unnecessary, what you are referring to in it's place to use I also understand to be a form of thinking... or "understanding". My point was that our internal dialogue is a natural result of that intuitive type of "understanding" or base of knowledge we have... hence it is pointless to try and end the natural part of ourselves that is our thinking.
  6. Has anyone had contact with deities in the astral realm? Has anyone advanced to the level of functioning as a deity in the astral realm?
  7. An end to the intellect?

    ...why on earth would you not want to think? Thinking is the basis of your intellect, which is your ability to understand things through reasoning and rationale. If you don't think and cant understand things, what kind of existence are you going to have?
  8. What We Think We Know

    ....right - exactly. Krishnamurti was a person who discovered a way to make money off of all this stuff by capitalizing on the counter-culture of his time, while incorporating an aspect of rebellion to even people who started the counter-culture... ...there are other factors involved as well, namely that no where else in the world besides the US, would a person like Krishnamurti be able to make as much money as he did in the US - obviously because his whole thing is based in using only himself as the reference point for any type of understanding, which has been the eastern view of all things fundamentally forever. He made a killing off of showing this attitude and practice to the West, in a time that was ripe for it to be received. ...if Krishnamurti actually believed 100% in what he talked about and had any life skills outside of being a philosopher ( which he didn't because all the way up until 29 years old - he was groomed by the theosophists and grew as a philosopher and meditator ), than he would have probably not been who he was in history... but alas this is only to illustrate the point that even the most profound thinkers can be hypocritical.
  9. What We Think We Know

    ...Yeah. We can never really pontificate at what was... without being there.
  10. What We Think We Know

    ...dzogchen' esque ... I would suspect, however not traditional dzogchen. Krishnamurti developed a literary concept to explain his point of view, called "choiceless awareness"... many other schools of thought refer to it as well, some of them are fundamental consciousness, etc. etc. The dzogchen refer to the "natural state" of mind as one being entirely open and unconditioned...very similar concepts. However, dzogchen departs from K's thinking when it goes into actual exercises to bring about realizations within an individual through specific practices like trekcho. K was more of a philosopher who found a way to make a living writing books and giving speeches in a time where he was viewed as an outsider to mainstream thought. The breaking away from theosophist's happened because when he was a member of the group that became them later on, while in his youth, his brother was ill. The later to be theosophists wanted K to be the leader of their group the order of the star, and they even went so far as to guarantee him that they would heal his brother, these are invisible spiritual masters we are talking about... they did not heal him and his brother died. Thus laid the root for the long life of bitterness K had towards anyone promising him anything and an attitude of extreme criticism towards everything.
  11. What We Think We Know

    ...I think that everything Krishnamurti ever spoke on or cared to exude can be summed up in his most famous quote, that he used to begin his speech when he disbanded the order of the star in front of thousands of people, due to his brother dying and he having lost faith in theosophists... " truth is a pathless land "
  12. What We Think We Know

    ...no one really knew what Krishnamurti “advocated” for. He was the most against advocating anything during his time. And the relationship of words meaning more to people than what they represent was one of his lifelong criticisms of modern society.
  13. What We Think We Know

    ...Yes, obviously. But, you haven't really elaborated on what it actually is... all you have done is shown that the word is separate from the actual thing and recognized that a tree is an actual thing that has a presence that you can feel... so would you care to try and attempt to make your previous statement mean anything? "It's so much more.." --- you haven't proven that yet. To some people the word "tree" could mean more to them than you realize, then the power of the word can be even more powerful than the actual thing itself...
  14. What We Think We Know

    ...obviously a tree is just a word. Care to elaborate on what makes it so much more? The light that is actually everywhere and in everything is what I tend to see... i actually understand trees and all life to be more or less the same fundamentally so - it's all forms of life existing by virtue of the innate light that is in actually everything... so however complex something can be or seem, it ultimately is not. Hence my simplistic point of view and obvious candor for real resolve. I have not found a single thing that does not contain that light. I think Patanjali called it, the "purusha" - absolute consciousness, that is actually what everything really is on the inside.
  15. What We Think We Know

    ...maybe not for abnormal people. That's why I said normal people. Balanced people. Show me a person on this planet that wants to die and be miserable who is actually alive. I was just illustrating a point that there are both absolute unchangeable things about life as well as things that do change based upon our choices. The concept of absolute truth is not a nebulous idea, as it can easily be illustrated in any way- water boils at and only at a certain temperature; no one can change this. ...ok - well the "knowledge" of what mystical concept that can't be described or spoken? No matter what it is - its a potential truth, or fact, that can be expressed conceptually and in a significantly meaningfully enough way to be understood. Such is the beauty of words of course. The normally unseen world and everything "spiritual" is a world of things just like the material world that we see is, in so far that it exists and operates through specific parameters and is subject to absolute truths; i.e. like it takes time to read, to walk places, etc. The same method of knowing how you know something applies to both worlds... ...I think that the mysterious stigma that can be attached to the concept of spirituality should really be done away with. It really only creates doubt and confusion. How does one know what they fundamentally are? they simply see it, just like when one sees a tree, or another person.