Akashic records

[Nungali]

16 hours ago, stirling said:

… and he speaks with great clarity about something he is intimately familiar with, that just happens to be true. 🙂

 

It struck me that he was not talking about    'being aware '   

 

but 

 

' being awareness ' . 

[Nungali]

3 hours ago, doc benway said:

 

I had a chance to spend some time visiting an intentional community based on Rudolph Steiner and theosophical principles. Very interesting and mostly self-sufficient community, particularly the elder care and biodynamic farming, but not quite my cup of tea.

 

I think one of Jiddu Krishnamurti’s most insightful and valuable actions was rejecting the Theosophists’ mantle of world teacher and disbanding of the Order of the Star. This refusal to participate in the hierarchy prevented yet another cult of spiritual control and empowered the individual in all matters of spiritual investigation, perhaps the most important thing I gained from his teachings. 

 

I worked with a woman once    that wore an 'Order of the Star' badge , I asked her 'Isnt that finished by now  ?"

 

" Not with me it isn't !  "  

  

 

Jiddu was rather pop here  ( well, in Sydney ) at one stage . he was supposed to come when he was still being touted as world teacher*  .....    another Theosophical fiasco !  

 

*  reception amphitheater for Krishnamurti , Sydney Harbor ;

 

 

 

 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Amphitheatre

 

[old3bob]

On 7/5/2025 at 2:11 PM, doc benway said:

Seems to me like JK and JC had a similar relationship to their followers and a similar resistance to hierarchy. The rest was added later by people wanting to use their gifts to control others. In true spirit there can be no hierarchy.

 

In the NT Jesus said something close to,  "I do nothing except by the Father" and "not my will but thine",  he was also named or called  "King of kings" (etc.) which smacks of lawful spiritual hierarchy...but sure he was against a heavy handed, "lording it over on" type of hierarchy by corrupted and egotistic worldly powers.  Btw,  I'd say JK. lost it along the way (Kundalini or no Kundalini) per his profound sounding denials or profound sounding smiting along with some added commiserated like and incomplete conclusions.

[doc benway]

43 minutes ago, old3bob said:

 

In the NT Jesus said something close to,  "I do nothing except by the Father" and "not my will but thine",

 

To me that is similar to JK's refusal to accept the designation of world teacher.

He was always guiding his followers to look inward, not to him but towards something new, something unknown. 

At least that's what I took from his teachings.

 

43 minutes ago, old3bob said:

 he was also named or called  "King of kings" (etc.) which smacks of lawful spiritual hierarchy...but sure he was against a heavy handed, "lording it over on" type of hierarchy by corrupted and egotistic worldly powers. 

 

Yes, he was given all kinds of names and titles. Did he ask for them or create them for himself?

Just like the Order of the Star wanted to call JK the World Teacher, JC's cult had other ideas for him and continue to use and abuse his name for their own ends. It puts me in mind of a beautiful parable from Anthony Demello - 

 

Spoiler

There’s this guy who invented the art of making fire. He goes up to the snow-clad northern regions where you have hill tribes shivering in the bitter cold, and he begins to teach them the art and advantages of making fire. He shows them the value of being able to be warm in the winter, cooking their food, helping with their buildings—and they learnt enthusiastically.

 

They were so grateful that they had learned the art of making fire, but before they could express their gratitude, he quietly slipped away. He didn’t even give them time to thank him because you know those rare human beings endowed with greatness—they’re not bothered about being remembered, they’re not bothered about being thanked—they want your good.

 

He went to another tribe, and he began to teach them to make fire. The people were enthusiastic, and he began to get more and more popular. The priests feared that their own popularity would diminish, so they decided to get rid of him by poisoning him. A suspicion arose among the people that it was the priests who had done it, so you know what the priests did?

 

They had a portrait of the Great Inventor enthroned upon the main altar of the temple, and a liturgy designed so that his name would be revered and his memory kept alive. The greatest care was taken that not a single rubric of the liturgy was altered or omitted. The tools for making fire were enshrined within a casket and were said to bring healing to all who laid their hands on them with faith. The High Priest himself undertook the task of compiling a Life of the Inventor. This became the Holy Book in which the Inventor’s loving-kindness was offered as an example for all to emulate, his glorious deeds were eulogized, his superhuman nature made an article of faith.

 

The priests saw to it that the Book was handed down to future generations, while they authoritatively interpreted the meaning of his words and the significance of his holy life and death. And they ruthlessly punished with death or excommunication anyone who deviated from their doctrine.

 

Caught up as they were in these religious tasks, the people completely forgot the art of making fire. The veneration, the worship, the ritual, were faithfully observed and went on decade after decade, century after century. But, there was no fire. Ritual, remembrance, gratitude, veneration, goodwill, yes. But, no fire.

 

43 minutes ago, old3bob said:

Btw,  I'd say JK. lost it along the way (Kundalini or no Kundalini) per his profound sounding denials or profound sounding smiting along with some added commiserated like and incomplete conclusions.

 

For me his teachings were always very open, no conclusions, only guiding people to find their own way through self-inquiry. 

Up through his last teachings, I found him to be very consistent but certainly not everyone's cup of tea.

YMMV

 

[old3bob]

39 minutes ago, doc benway said:

 

To me that is similar to JK's refusal to accept the designation of world teacher.

He was always guiding his followers to look inward, not to him but towards something new, something unknown. 

At least that's what I took from his teachings.

 

 

Yes, he was given all kinds of names and titles. Did he ask for them or create them for himself?

Just like the Order of the Star wanted to call JK the World Teacher, JC's cult had other ideas for him and continue to use and abuse his name for their own ends. It puts me in mind of a beautiful parable from Anthony Demello - 

 

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There’s this guy who invented the art of making fire. He goes up to the snow-clad northern regions where you have hill tribes shivering in the bitter cold, and he begins to teach them the art and advantages of making fire. He shows them the value of being able to be warm in the winter, cooking their food, helping with their buildings—and they learnt enthusiastically.

 

They were so grateful that they had learned the art of making fire, but before they could express their gratitude, he quietly slipped away. He didn’t even give them time to thank him because you know those rare human beings endowed with greatness—they’re not bothered about being remembered, they’re not bothered about being thanked—they want your good.

 

He went to another tribe, and he began to teach them to make fire. The people were enthusiastic, and he began to get more and more popular. The priests feared that their own popularity would diminish, so they decided to get rid of him by poisoning him. A suspicion arose among the people that it was the priests who had done it, so you know what the priests did?

 

They had a portrait of the Great Inventor enthroned upon the main altar of the temple, and a liturgy designed so that his name would be revered and his memory kept alive. The greatest care was taken that not a single rubric of the liturgy was altered or omitted. The tools for making fire were enshrined within a casket and were said to bring healing to all who laid their hands on them with faith. The High Priest himself undertook the task of compiling a Life of the Inventor. This became the Holy Book in which the Inventor’s loving-kindness was offered as an example for all to emulate, his glorious deeds were eulogized, his superhuman nature made an article of faith.

 

The priests saw to it that the Book was handed down to future generations, while they authoritatively interpreted the meaning of his words and the significance of his holy life and death. And they ruthlessly punished with death or excommunication anyone who deviated from their doctrine.

 

Caught up as they were in these religious tasks, the people completely forgot the art of making fire. The veneration, the worship, the ritual, were faithfully observed and went on decade after decade, century after century. But, there was no fire. Ritual, remembrance, gratitude, veneration, goodwill, yes. But, no fire.

 

 

For me his teachings were always very open, no conclusions, only guiding people to find their own way through self-inquiry. 

Up through his last teachings, I found him to be very consistent but certainly not everyone's cup of tea.

YMMV

 

 

granted he did share some gems, then again "no man (or woman) is an island" and no man  or woman does any kind of humanistic or spiritual work without help getting there... besides self-inquiry or no self-inquiry...

Btw, I'd say his anti-guru guruism was pretty much his incomplete conclusion or stance.

Edited yesterday at 12:30 PM by old3bob