Akashic records

[old3bob]

 

"In Hindu philosophy, the Akashic Records represent a universal memory bank. Derived from the Sanskrit word akasha (meaning sky, space, or ether), these records are believed to store all events, actions, and thoughts of every soul that has ever existed".

 

Don't know much about this and less as far as how other religions or philosophies address it.  Per the quoted description above that is one very huge memory bank, and who has would access would seemingly have great purity and great need to do so...(for the keepers/guardians to allow it)

 

On a personal level I know that pure masters can access the memories of their students - memories that their students may have forgotten long ago although still stored somewhere in their mind.

Edited March 11 by old3bob

[Lairg]

It may be that the Cosmos is alive and that its experiences are stored in its light-body - until removed

 

 

[old3bob]

 

well the present "cosmos" is alive for the present and very long cosmic cycle, until it returns, but then starts all over again...(like the seasons)

Edited March 11 by old3bob

[Lairg]

4 hours ago, old3bob said:

the present "cosmos" is alive for the present and very long cosmic cycle, until it returns, but then starts all over again...(like the seasons)

 

Presumably there is a carry-over during the mahapralaya - otherwise there would be no progress

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pralaya

[old3bob]

 

well that sounds logical but Brahman is non-evolutionary and can not be added to or taken away from, thus progress does not apply to It (as the source of cosmic cycles) because if it could then It's regression or de-volution would also be possible. (as it is for things)

[Lairg]

43 minutes ago, old3bob said:

 Brahman is non-evolutionary and can not be added to or taken away from, thus progress does not apply to It

 

Why does Brahman bother if it can achieve nothing through manifested existence?

 

 

[old3bob]

 

thinking mind would like to pin Brahman down but it can not, for if it could "Brahman" would be a "thing". 

 

To borrow from Taoism's T.T.C. chap 43,  "Only nothing (or to me no-thing) can enter into no-space".

Edited March 12 by old3bob

[Lairg]

32 minutes ago, old3bob said:

"Brahman" would be a "thing". 

 

Does Brahman  interpenetrate all that exists?

 

Does that mean that every intelligence includes some aspect of Brahman?

 

 

[old3bob]

1 hour ago, Lairg said:

 

Does Brahman  interpenetrate all that exists?

 

Does that mean that every intelligence includes some aspect of Brahman?

 

 

"aspect" sounds like a key meaning

 

[Lairg]

By first stage enlightenment the initiate is sensitive to but not aware of the presence of Brahman

 

It seems that Brahman drives existence to provide structured experiences.

 

Who knows what experiences Brahman seeks?

 

 

 

 

 

[stirling]

14 hours ago, old3bob said:

well that sounds logical but Brahman is non-evolutionary and can not be added to or taken away from, thus progress does not apply to It (as the source of cosmic cycles) because if it could then It's regression or de-volution would also be possible. (as it is for things)

 

This in itself makes me doubt the existence of Akashic records, as much as I would LOVE to go revisit experiences I have previously had. If Brahman is non-evolutionary, it suggests to me that evolution itself a mistaken mental construction created from conflating thoughts about a "past"  projected "future" into an imagined story arc which doesn't really exist in this reality. 

 

Interesting little rabbit hole, and essay on Hinduism, Time and the writings of Bhartari, an early Hindu philosopher. According to Bhartari:

 

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"Time is the creative power of Brahman, and thus is responsible for the birth, death, and continuity of everything in the cosmos. Time is one, but when broken or limited into sequences appears as moments or actions. These segments of time are mentally categorized as seconds or minutes. Such limited segments of time are then mentally unified into day, week, month, and year. In the same fashion, notions of past, present, and future are developed. When time is thought of as action not yet completed, the notion of the present is established. An action that has been completed is time as past; and an action yet to be completed is time as future. All of ordinary life is sequenced by these three powers of time. Yet all the while, declares Bhartrhari, there is really no sequence at all. From the ultimate viewpoint all three powers of time are constantly present. Time is One." 

 

https://digitalcommons.butler.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1206&context=jhcs#:~:text=Time is the creative power,categorized as seconds or minutes.

 

This makes complete sense to me, but I am no Hindu scholar - take it cum grano salis.

[old3bob]

1 hour ago, stirling said:

 

This in itself makes me doubt the existence of Akashic records, as much as I would LOVE to go revisit experiences I have previously had. If Brahman is non-evolutionary, it suggests to me that evolution itself a mistaken mental construction created from conflating thoughts about a "past"  projected "future" into an imagined story arc which doesn't really exist in this reality. 

 

Interesting little rabbit hole, and essay on Hinduism, Time and the writings of Bhartari, an early Hindu philosopher. According to Bhartari:

 

https://digitalcommons.butler.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1206&context=jhcs#:~:text=Time is the creative power,categorized as seconds or minutes.

 

This makes complete sense to me, but I am no Hindu scholar - take it cum grano salis.

 

 

things take place (evolve or devolve) in times and spaces, no-thing is not caught up in that way...yet is simultaneously the source of things.  Suffering in Buddha Dharma could be called a thing - yes or no,  yet I'd say "Buddha Nature" could be said as not being caught up by or limited to Dharma(s).

[Jadespear]

On 3/12/2025 at 2:17 PM, stirling said:

 

This in itself makes me doubt the existence of Akashic records, as much as I would LOVE to go revisit experiences I have previously had. If Brahman is non-evolutionary, it suggests to me that evolution itself a mistaken mental construction created from conflating thoughts about a "past"  projected "future" into an imagined story arc which doesn't really exist in this reality. 

 

Interesting little rabbit hole, and essay on Hinduism, Time and the writings of Bhartari, an early Hindu philosopher. According to Bhartari:

 

 

https://digitalcommons.butler.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1206&context=jhcs#:~:text=Time is the creative power,categorized as seconds or minutes.

 

This makes complete sense to me, but I am no Hindu scholar - take it cum grano salis.

 

...my friend has been to the akashic records.  He says it's possible to relive any past event through his astral body... but he can't change what he did, it's like seeing it and experiencing it emotionally, but thats it.  

 

He has no reason to lie... so I presumably believe him.  

The astral realm is timeless...as in not bound time, so it makes sense that one could journey along the timeline of anything and everything if they wanted to.  

 

He also likes to say that every heartbeat we have - actually is a force that inscribes our lives onto the universal spectrum of causation...  said another way - the akashic record is the record of everything caused by everything...its the causal sphere - that is everywhere.  It interpenetrates everything as it is the cause of everything.

[stirling]

2 hours ago, Jadespear said:

...my friend has been to the akashic records.  He says it's possible to relive any past event through his astral body... but he can't change what he did, it's like seeing it and experiencing it emotionally, but thats it.  

 

He has no reason to lie... so I presumably believe him.  

The astral realm is timeless...as in not bound time, so it makes sense that one could journey along the timeline of anything and everything if they wanted to.  

 

He also likes to say that every heartbeat we have - actually is a force that inscribes our lives onto the universal spectrum of causation...  said another way - the akashic record is the record of everything caused by everything...its the causal sphere - that is everywhere.  It interpenetrates everything as it is the cause of everything.

 

I wouldn't accuse your friend of lying. He might have had an experience of that which he remembers vividly. I can remember my 18th birthday party, but it is ONLY a memory, not something I can see or experience now. This is the problem. 

 

As much as I love the idea, an Akashic records vault full of stories about he past and future violates everything that insight into emptiness/dao/Buddha nature clearly demonstrates about reality in this moment. Speaking solely for myself, I would only believe it if I saw it but it would have to violate everything I know about the ultimate qualities of reality, AND it would have to be something that was always available in this moment.

 

It is instructive, by way of an example, to look at what some enlightened teachers say about their ultimate conclusions on past lives. This example comes most easily to mind, but my teacher and others I have chatted to about this topic say essentially the same thing:

 

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I don’t want to talk to a lot of people about past lives, especially the radical nondualists who say that there is nobody who was born, there is nobody who has past lives, there are no incarnations, and so on. Of course, that is all true; it’s all a dream, even past lives. When I talk about them at all, I talk about them as past dreams. I dreamed I was this person; I dreamed I was that person. Personally, I’ve never tried to gather experiences of past lives and wrap them all up in some sort of metaphysical understanding. I don’t have a clear understanding about what a past life is, except that it seems clear to me that it also has the nature of a dream; it doesn’t have objective, actual existence. Nonetheless, the experience I had happened. Since it happened, I can’t say it didn’t happen. But in my own mind, I don’t try to figure it all out. All I know is what happened.” -  Adyashanti, The End of Your World: Uncensored Straight Talk on the Nature of Enlightenment

 

Experiences of past lives DO happen - but that doesn't mean they have any deeper reality than something you dream, or even something you did yesterday. Can you see your past life, or experience of the Akashic records in this moment? This is what matters. This is the litmus test for what is "real". Anything you are not experiencing in this this moment, where you are, is a story you are telling yourself. This is obvious where there is non-dual/unity understanding. Insight into the non-dual nature of reality is omnipresent - part of this moment of experiencing forever.

[doc benway]

TDB synchronicity had me stumbling upon this thread immediately after stumbling across this gem from Rupert Spira…

 

 

 

 

[stirling]

1 hour ago, doc benway said:

TDB synchronicity had me stumbling upon this thread immediately after stumbling across this gem from Rupert Spira…

I just love that chap. 

[Nungali]

Don't worry that it might not agree with your teachings .... because 

 

 

... you do realize  'akashic records' is not a Hindu concept ?  

 

Its one of those theosophical postulations   that are based on Vedantic terms , mostly   -    ākāśa आकाश    -  basically ' an ethereal fluid supposed to be  pervading the cosmos' , the basis , essence and first element , then air , fire , water , earth . A type of 'aethyr' .  IN modern language it could be called 'quintessence ' .  

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quintessence_(physics)

 

Blavatski introduced the idea by coupling 'akasa'  with  " "indestructible tablets of the astral light"  .  

 

Then in 'Esoteric Buddhism' ( Sinnett 1883 )  -  but that was citing Olcott's 'A Buddhist Catechism ' (1881) ;  " "Buddha taught two things are eternal, viz, 'Akasa' and 'Nirvana': everything has come out of Akasa in obedience to a law of motion inherent in it, and, passes away. No thing ever comes out of nothing."

 

Next Leadbeater had a go in developing  the concept  and ( even though nothing can come out of it ) decided a clairvoyant could bring information out of it, in 'Clairvoyance '  (1889)  he came up with the 'Akashic records' concept claiming that not only could all past 'imprinted '  events be read out of it , including the ( then  recently developed ) ideas  about the 'history' of Atlantis  but  now the future could be seen in it as well  !  ... up to the 28th century -  in  'Man; Whence, How and Wither ' (1913)   . 

 

Then Alice Bailey had a go at it  in her 'The Light of the Soul '- on The Yoga Sutras of Patanjali Book 3 Union Achieved and its Results   (1927):

 

Now it gets even better  !    

 

"  The akashic record is like an immense photographic film, registering all the desires and earth experiences of our planet. Those who perceive it will see pictured thereon:

1. The life experiences of every human being since time began,
2. The reactions to experience of the entire animal kingdom,
3. The aggregation of the thought-forms of a karmic nature (based on desire) of every human unit throughout time. Only a trained occultist can distinguish between actual experience and those astral pictures created by imagination and keen desire.^[8] " 

 

^{One wonders what 'trained Occultists ' they had in Theosophy ??? ( As there was no occult training in Theosophy ) .} 

 

^{Then Steiner had a dip in using it  to support all sorts of things in this 'system' by saying he saw it in those records .   Then Cayce developed it further  .....}

 

^{Theosophical !}    

 

 

^{We had a few of them here too ... they didn't like historical analysis of things  and factual observations  and got annoyed at me like a lot of others do , for pointing them out .} 

 

^{We even had some members offering an 'akashic record  cleaning service .... ooops, I mean  'reading service ' .} 

 

^{(   not a bad idea ..... my 'records' could do with some cleaning up  ... anyone got an akashic rubber ?    )}  

 

^{When we gonna get an akasic internet    ?}  

[Nungali]

43 minutes ago, stirling said:

I just love that chap. 

 

He does have a 'way with words'   .

 

  

 

[Lairg]

There are many accounts of time travel - indicating that there is some preservation of the past and some means for modification.  The concept of the akashic records may therefore be rather too limited.

 

Time travel technology came into the possession of different governments and organizations in the post-WW II era due to extraterrestrials conducting a ‘temporal war’ over Earth’s future timelines.

This all began when the German Vril Society achieved breakthroughs in torsion field physics and antigravity technology in the 1920s,

https://exopolitics.org/time-travel-temporal-ware-fare-and-humanities-future-a-second-look-part-1/

 

Andrew Basiago, J.D., is a licensed attorney with Washington State who claims to have participated in classified programs involving time travel and space time portals since 1967 when he was 6 years old. He was exposed into these programs by his father who worked for a major engineering corporation that was given the contracts to develop these exotic technologies — the Ralph M. Parsons company.

https://getpodcast.com/podcast/exopolitics-today-with-dr-michael-salla/project-pegasus-and-time-travel-interview-with-andrew-basiago_189a867df8

 

The climax of this work was reached at Montauk Point in 1983. It was at that time that the Montauk Project effectively ripped open a hole in space-time to 1943.

http://www.stealthskater.com/Documents/Montauk_04.pdf

 

I am reminded of Shakespeare:  There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy

 

After 4 centuries it is still true

 

 

[stirling]

1 hour ago, Nungali said:

He does have a 'way with words'   .

 

  

… and he speaks with great clarity about something he is intimately familiar with, that just happens to be true. 🙂

[stirling]

11 hours ago, Nungali said:

Don't worry that it might not agree with your teachings .... because

 

Ah.... not so concerned with my teachings so much as actual experience in this moment.  

 

I had the pleasure of living in London for a while and getting to go to the Theosophical Society for lectures and other things, as well as Sogyal Rinpoche's Rigpa organization. Definitely the Theosophists borrowed from myriad sources. I actually LOVED their whole gestalt, but didn't end up working in that system much... it felt like a kludge to me. 

 

Thanks for bringing them up. 

[doc benway]

2 hours ago, stirling said:

 

Ah.... not so concerned with my teachings so much as actual experience in this moment.  

 

I had the pleasure of living in London for a while and getting to go to the Theosophical Society for lectures and other things, as well as Sogyal Rinpoche's Rigpa organization. Definitely the Theosophists borrowed from myriad sources. I actually LOVED their whole gestalt, but didn't end up working in that system much... it felt like a kludge to me. 

 

Thanks for bringing them up. 

 

I had a chance to spend some time visiting an intentional community based on Rudolph Steiner and theosophical principles. Very interesting and mostly self-sufficient community, particularly the elder care and biodynamic farming, but not quite my cup of tea.

 

I think one of Jiddu Krishnamurti’s most insightful and valuable actions was rejecting the Theosophists’ mantle of world teacher and disbanding of the Order of the Star. This refusal to participate in the hierarchy prevented yet another cult of spiritual control and empowered the individual in all matters of spiritual investigation, perhaps the most important thing I gained from his teachings. 

Edited 21 hours ago by doc benway

[old3bob]

38 minutes ago, doc benway said:

 

I had a chance to spend some time visiting an intentional community based on Rudolph Steiner and theosophical principles. Very interesting and mostly self-sufficient community, particularly the elder care and biodynamic farming, but not quite my cup of tea.

 

I think one of Jiddu Krishnamurti’s most insightful and valuable actions was rejecting the Theosophists’ mantle of world teacher and disbanding of the Order of the Star. This refusal to participate in the hierarchy prevented yet another cult of spiritual control and empowered the individual in all matters of spiritual investigation, perhaps the most important thing I gained from his teachings. 

 

in many instances  worldly powers turned Jesus into a cult,  He didn't but He saw that coming.  Btw I'd say there is nothing wrong with recognizing hierarchy based on Spirit and not ego...   

 

Also did not JK establish a non-cult cult? 

Edited 20 hours ago by old3bob

[doc benway]

Seems to me like JK and JC had a similar relationship to their followers and a similar resistance to hierarchy. The rest was added later by people wanting to use their gifts to control others. In true spirit there can be no hierarchy.

[Cobie]

 

42 minutes ago, doc benway said:

… JC … relationship to …  followers …

we’re friends ( John 15-15 https://biblehub.com/text/john/15-15.htm )

 

 

Edited 18 hours ago by Cobie