For the Enlightened: A question

[Nungali]

1 hour ago, Maddie said:

 

I don't think I'm going to get an answer.

 

No .... just ... the 'usual'   

[Nungali]

1 hour ago, Cobie said:

 

But you, Daniel, already gave the answer. 
 

 

 

Ahhhh .... but THAT part of that thread was just subterfuge  .   

[Nungali]

1 hour ago, Maddie said:

 

What is even the question? 

 

What is above the limit of the limitless   ... what is beyond infinity  .....    how can I get more out of  'the most ' ... what is beyond the ultimate  

 

 

[Cobie]

 

24 minutes ago, ChiDragon said:

… 超越的超越？

I think it’s like your DDJ Ch 1 - 3. 無，名天地之始 ,  the invisible Tao.
 

 

Edited December 13, 2024 by Cobie

[Nungali]

22 minutes ago, Cobie said:

Thanks for liking that. My thinking was that extremes tend to turn into their opposite.

 

 

 

I think that is only in 'schemata' or postulation ; the second I liken to the idea of the infinite (because  its ) curved Universe , if you could see far enough , you would be looking at the back of your head .  The second is like bending the  wave length of light band ('observed reality' )  and joining the ends  ( schemata )  by filling the gap with 'purple ' 

 

 

 

[Mark Foote]

3 hours ago, Daniel said:

  3 hours ago, Cobie said:

Being down to earth.  

 

... is lacking transcendence.

 

"What is transcending transcendence?"  requires transcendence.  That's what makes this question difficult.

The daughter's response is transcending transcendence--it's also "being down to earth":

Layman Pang was with his whole family sitting around the fire. Layman Pang suddenly said, ‘Difficult, difficult—ten bushels of oil hemp spread out on a tree.’ Mrs. Pang said, ‘Easy, easy—on the tips of the hundred grasses, the meaning of Zen.’ Their daughter Lingzhao said, ‘Not difficult, not easy—eating when hungry, sleeping when tired’.

 

(“Zen Letters: Teachings of Yuanwu”, trans. Cleary & Cleary, pg 41)

 

 

However, the Chinese teacher Yuanwu who offered the story went on to say:

 

Usually when I relate this story to people, most of them prefer Lingzhao’s remark for saving energy, and dislike what Old Man Pang and Old Lady Pang said about difficult and easy. This is nothing but ‘making interpretations by following the words’. People who think like this are far from getting to the root of the fundamental design.

 

(ibid)

 

 

But tell me, what is the most essential place? How is effort applied?

 

(Yuanwu, “The Blue Cliff Record”, Case 55, tr. Cleary and Cleary)

 

 

Edited December 13, 2024 by Mark Foote

[Cobie]

 

43 minutes ago, Nungali said:

… subterfuge  .  

It’s  not “subterfuge” imo.

 

2 hours ago, Cobie said:

… Daniel, already gave the answer. 

Pak even commented on it, 

which got a ‘thank you’ from   “Maddie who seems to have a very short memory”.

 

Edited December 13, 2024 by Cobie

[doc benway]

9 hours ago, Daniel said:

What is transcending transcendence?

 

I'll bite.

Transcending transcendence for me is to go beyond the conceptual, to go beyond metaphors, descriptions, even God.

Not recalling the past or planning the future, not changing anything at all in this present moment is the view, the meditation, and the conduct. The immediacy and vividness of this very moment is authentic, unfabricated, and unbounded, full of potential; and yet nothing can be said about it that does not try to define or reduce it to something our conceptual mind can grasp. However we try to describe it is not it, that's why it is often described as unimputable.

The only way to do it justice is .... shhhh.... leave everything be just as it is and simply be just as you are.

Nothing can be added or taken away from this present moment.

 

[Nungali]

12 minutes ago, Cobie said:

It’s not “subterfuge” imo.
 

 

 

Ahhh , but Coby , you have such a  sweet innocent nature   .....       I admit I do tend to deal with things a little differently ;

 

 

 

[Cobie]

@Daniel I think you are very sincere and have a good heart  (just ignore the BS please).

 

 

Edited December 13, 2024 by Cobie

[Sir Darius the Clairvoyent]

Sometimes I get the sense that a few so called spiritual people, are less spiritual than regular people. At times it looks like it some sort of competition. A way to distance yourself from the mindless peasents.

 

This is not a critique against genuine searchers, but an observation about a sub segment.

[Daniel]

3 hours ago, Maddie said:

 

I don't think I'm going to get an answer.

 

Why should I tell you what the word means?

[Daniel]

@Nungali,

 

I'm not reading your replies for reasons which should be obvious to anyone who has spent a significant amount of time on this website.

[Sir Darius the Clairvoyent]

4 minutes ago, Daniel said:

@Nungali,

 

I'm not reading your replies for reasons which should be obvious to anyone who has spent a significant amount of time on this website.

Apperantly not.

[liminal_luke]

Who woulda thunk that it would be Daniel would get us thinking about the nondual?

Edited December 13, 2024 by liminal_luke

[Daniel]

~spoiler~  Do not read unless you would like a peak at the answer ~spoiler~

 

Edit, except for Luke, because, reasons.

 

Spoiler

4 hours ago, liminal_luke said:

What is transcending transcendence?  I don´t know but so far my experience reading this thread isn´t it. 

 

Hi Luke, welcome to the discussion.  and.  Patience is a virtue.  Maybe this one needs simmering.  Or seasoning.  Or something. 

 

I'm open to suggestions.

 

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Interesting riddle though. 

 

TY

 

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Maybe I´d get closer watching a sunset

 

  Well done.  You peaked at the answer?

 

 

 

Edited December 14, 2024 by Daniel

[Daniel]

1 minute ago, liminal_luke said:

the nondual?

 

.... looks left, looks right ...

 

Never heard of it

[Sir Darius the Clairvoyent]

Just now, liminal_luke said:

Who woulda thunk that it would be Daniel who got us thinking about the nondual?

I think I find emu grasp the concept. I understand oneness. Yet, at the same time, I am obviously not a coffee cup. This is what I think, at least. Is it correct?

 

@stirling was good help in this

[Daniel]

3 hours ago, Cobie said:

But you, Daniel, already gave the answer. 

 

The last time that I started a thread like this, some didn't like that I withheld the answer.  I thought it would be nice to ... listen.

 

3 hours ago, Cobie said:

 

Pak even commented on it, 

 

which got a ‘thank you’ from   “Maddie who seems to have a very short memory”. 

 

 

I missed all of that.

[liminal_luke]

@Daniel  I´m an inveterate peeker.

Edited December 13, 2024 by liminal_luke

[Daniel]

1 hour ago, Cobie said:

Thanks for liking that. My thinking was that extremes tend to turn into their opposite.

 

 

 

... keep going.  You're on the right track.

[Daniel]

Just now, liminal_luke said:

@Daniel  I´m an inveterate peaker.

 

~double-take~

 

~double-take~

 

~blinks~

 

~goes to find glasses~

[Daniel]

1 hour ago, ChiDragon said:

@Cobie什么是超越的超越？

 

hmmm, the plot thickens

[Daniel]

@liminal_luke,

 

I smell something good coming from the general direction of @ChiDragon's domain....

[Daniel]

1 hour ago, Mark Foote said:

it's also "being down to earth":

 

and .... keep going ....