Giles Posted June 5 My own understanding of what Yuan Tze was conveying was slightly different @Vajra Fist. However, perhaps we can just agree to disagree? 😊 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Giles Posted June 5 My own understanding of what Yuan Tze was conveying was slightly different @Vajra Fist. However, perhaps we can just agree to disagree? 😊 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vajra Fist Posted June 5 10 hours ago, Giles said: My own understanding of what Yuan Tze was conveying was slightly different @Vajra Fist. However, perhaps we can just agree to disagree? 😊 Of course! I am still very curious about the system. Wish you all the best in your practice 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Giles Posted June 5 1 hour ago, Vajra Fist said: Of course! I am still very curious about the system. Wish you all the best in your practice Thank you! Wishing you all the best in your practices too! 😊 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stirling Posted June 5 On 6/4/2025 at 3:19 AM, Vajra Fist said: I watched this documentary with interest. Finished this a few minutes ago, out of curiosity. Quote He describes a state of 'oneness' as enlightenment. It reminds me of a dharma talk by Guo Gu, heir of Chan master Shen Zhen. He describes what probably (in Buddhist terms) describes a couple of "Arising and Passing Away" moments (though with some questionable time travel stories), that do not represent real insight and then speaking about his last episode he says he realized: Quote I was the world and the world was me. All is one. This isn't wrong, but is a fairly tepid and indistinct description considering the effort he put into the other experiences, but let's allow for translation and cultural differences. In his favor, he DOES seem relaxed, gently good-humored, and KIND, one of the most major characteristics of those who have lived in the world with insight for a long time. What is actually important, that almost any "awakened being" would know to point to is: --How awake are you RIGHT NOW?-- Can you see or hear "emptiness" in this moment.. even if you have to turn your attention to it? What does that mean to you? Can you see that "self" is a delusion, even if you occasionally lose sight of this for a few minutes? How about the constructs of time and space? This insight is not an experience, it is a permanent shift in perception. It would have been nice to hear him share with the world the nature of his moment-to-moment life. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Giles Posted June 6 9 hours ago, stirling said: This insight is not an experience, it is a permanent shift in perception. It would have been nice to hear him share with the world the nature of his moment-to-moment life. You'd need to attend a retreat in order to learn about his moment-to-moment life and/or do teacher training with him & his wife Melissa. I highly recommend both options... 😊 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vajra Fist Posted June 6 (edited) 12 hours ago, stirling said: (though with some questionable time travel stories) Do you think that sounds a bit like nirodha samapatti? Although three weeks sounds perhaps a bit far out. Edited June 6 by Vajra Fist 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stirling Posted June 6 6 hours ago, Giles said: You'd need to attend a retreat in order to learn about his moment-to-moment life and/or do teacher training with him & his wife Melissa. I highly recommend both options... 😊 I expect that is true, but I have already completed all of my teacher training. Now there is only Rigpa doing the training. _/\_ 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stirling Posted June 6 4 hours ago, Vajra Fist said: Do you think that sounds a bit like nirodha samapatti? Although three weeks sounds perhaps a bit far out. First, it is worth saying that nirodha samapatti is not necessary for complete understanding. It IS a piece of territory that we all naturally traverse, and might notice IF we have some knowledge about what it is. The most outlandish BELIEVABLE stories I have heard about nirodha samapatti recently are probably Delson Armstrong's. Sitting for weeks outside while your beard grows undiscovered by search parties? Seems far fetched, but I reserve judgement. Personally I couldn't be gone and out of contact for 2 hours without my wife freaking out. I'm not saying it is impossible, but I AM saying that it isn't important in any way whatsoever. It is not a sign of any deeper understanding about the nature of reality. What isn't clear to me is why this chap didn't take this opportunity to lay out the very real implications of permanently shifting perspective. The truth is: Quote You are not a person having an experience of awareness, you are awareness having the experience of a person. - Timothy Freke If someone turned a camera on ME, I'd be taking that opportunity to say the most outlandish material I could muster in an attempt to wake up every suffering being that would ever encounter it. A point that needs repeating that I might not have made as clear as I could in my previous post is that the "supernatural" trappings and experiences on the path are just noise. They happen... they are interesting, but they don't indicate anything but that you are definitely ON the path. I could tell (and have told) stories about siddhis too, but they are just distractions from the real goal of any of these practices - non-dual realization. From the perspective from THAT realization, seeing angels and demons, or talking with trees and seeing auras, etc. are not supercharged moments of REAL meaning and implications, they are just experiences like any other experience. They are part of the show, but not the core material in any way. _/\_ 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Giles Posted June 6 7 hours ago, stirling said: I expect that is true, but I have already completed all of my teacher training. Now there is only Rigpa doing the training. _/\_ Who is Rigpa? 😊 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stirling Posted June 6 6 minutes ago, Giles said: Who is Rigpa? 😊 Nothing hidden or special. It's everywhere! https://www.rigpawiki.org/index.php?title=Rigpa 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Giles Posted June 6 By the Way. This thread is going Way off-topic... 😊 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stirling Posted June 6 1 minute ago, Giles said: This thread is going Way off-topic... Feel free to re-orient. _/\_ 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Giles Posted June 6 This thread is about: Ren Xue and Yuan Qigong by Yuan Tze 😊 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nungali Posted June 6 1 hour ago, stirling said: Feel free to re-orient. _/\_ 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stirling Posted June 7 2 hours ago, Giles said: This thread is about: Ren Xue and Yuan Qigong by Yuan Tze 😊 I’m confused - shall I continue derailing? 2 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Giles Posted June 7 2 hours ago, Giles said: This thread is about: Ren Xue and Yuan Qigong by Yuan Tze Bump... 😊 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cobie Posted June 7 @Giles what’s with all cryptic replies and downvoting, I’m putting you on ignore. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Giles Posted June 7 On 06/06/2025 at 11:04 PM, Giles said: This thread is about: Ren Xue and Yuan Qigong by Yuan Tze 😊 Bump Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nungali Posted June 7 (edited) 3 hours ago, Cobie said: @Giles what’s with all cryptic replies and downvoting, I’m putting you on ignore. he will not say 'what is with ' him ... its obvious something is . Had a break and came back all ..... 'Gilesey' , well, moreso than before . Weird PMs .... unreasonable responses .... cryptic 'death' notices , or fake ones . And posts about being enlightened ..... something ...... something . ..... I'm going back to buying the dog . . Edited June 7 by Nungali Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Giles Posted June 8 On 06/06/2025 at 11:04 PM, Giles said: This thread is about: Ren Xue and Yuan Qigong by Yuan Tze 😊 Bump Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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