Stranger things

[Taomeow]

Interesting.  "Tao gives birth to one, one gives birth to two, two give birth to three, three give birth to ten thousand things."  This statement, physically and biologically absolutely accurate for our 3D world,* contains within itself "laws" that can't be broken by 3D beings, whether domesticated or wild, whether benign or malicious. 

 

Now of course beings from a realm that has more dimensions can overcome these limitations unless there's a law that stops them.  But determining whether those interdimensional criminals are the ones responsible for our plight is above my pay grade.

 

*Tao: from wuji with no dimensions, to one which is a single point, to two which is a 2D line, to the 3D structure that breaks out of the flat 2D plane into the next dimension, to ten thousand things you can build out of these building blocks by stacking them together this way and that way. 

A 4D being can manipulate objects and entities of a 3D world as easily as you can draw on a 2D surface of a sheet of paper or type on a 2D surface of your computer screen.  If they choose to write malicious code, they can.  Scary, huh? 

You can write outrageous laws on a flat sheet of paper and 2D beings will obey them.  4D beings can write outrageous laws into a 3D world and we will obey them. 

The only way to not break the laws of nature is to imitate it ("tao patterns itself on itself"), approach nature as complete and perfect, and write no additional code into that.  I don't know who's that wise (or that lucky) but it's not us.       

[old3bob]

 

"Interesting.  "Tao gives birth to one, one gives birth to two, two give birth to three, three give birth to ten thousand things."  This statement, physically and biologically absolutely accurate for our 3D world,* contains within itself "laws" that can't be broken by 3D beings, whether domesticated or wild, whether benign or malicious. " 

 

My interpretation is that all manifestations, dimensions,  forms, beings,  both subtle as with light and gross as with dense matter are ultimately under the law of and within the overall One.  (which will also "return" at the end of its life aka the cosmic cycle)

 

pretty much agree on the 2d,3d,4d superseding steps. And lots of the  other stuff  is also  above my pay grade ;-).

 

if the Great Tao/Mystery  could be broken then we would be SOL, or would never have gotten to where that could even occur. 

 

[Nungali]

7 hours ago, Taomeow said:

 

Cats do break the law they are under.  Granted domesticated cats are under domesticated man's law -- but they do break it unless the owner bends them into submission with early detachment from mother, nutritional deficiencies and toxicities, veterinary iatrogenic damage, impoverished non-stimulating environments, obligatory boredom and loneliness and removal of parental and mating behaviors via surgical mutilations, outright cruelty, and other human laws a cat may be too overwhelmingly changed to break.  

 

We are in the same boat.  No one knows what non-domesticated man is like.  (Let alone non-domesticated woman.)  But I have a hunch that domestication breaks all the laws of nature, whether in man or in cat or in cattle.  Whatever we think up to take their place serves somebody I guess -- but hardly the species itself.  Somebody else.  The owner.   

 

 

You never had a teenage son  ?  

[Nungali]

5 hours ago, old3bob said:

 

from a wider perspective I'd say the law of the One, the law of the Two, and the law of Three are not broken, but the law of the ten- thousand has so many variables who can keep track?   So one might ask has a great sage evolved to the law of the One (or even further to the Great Tao)....as for the rest of us it is said we go far.

 

 

 

 

 

Judaism has  '10,000' laws  ..... while Thelema  has  'the law of the one ' .   (ie.   'the one commandments '  )

 

 

Edited April 27 by Nungali

[Taomeow]

1 hour ago, Nungali said:

 

 

You never had a teenage son  ?  

 

Haha.  I don't think he could avoid domestication entirely -- if you're caught in the rain you can't avoid getting wet -- but he did a pretty good job.  

 

[Cobie]

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Edited April 28 by Cobie

[Gerard]

 Oyster mushroom

Harmless, tasty. Yang (obvious pleasure).

 

Destroying angel

 

Soul shattering, very nasty, pretty to look at tough. Yin (hidden danger).

 

Interesting how two species of the same genus can be so vastly different.

 

Edited May 1 by Gerard

[Sanity Check]

4 hours ago, Gerard said:

 

Destroying angel

 

Soul shattering, very nasty, pretty to look at tough. Yin (hidden danger).

 

Interesting how two species of the same genus can be so vastly different.

 

 

 

There was a man who accidentally ate that all white mushroom.

 

He was lucky to survive and blogged about the experience.

 

Where he became temporarily paralyzed and hospital medics dressed him in an adult diaper.

 

https://blog.mycology.cornell.edu/2006/11/22/i-survived-the-destroying-angel/

[Taomeow]

Mushroom poisoning is like swimming accidents -- most of them happen to experienced folks who get too cocky.  I will never forget an episode from my childhood -- at my grandmother's, on the countryside-like outskirts of a town surrounded by mushroom-rich forests.  Everybody was into foraging, me too of course, since I was 5.  So anyway, my grandmother had a falling out with a neighbor over her cat, whom the neighbor accused of breaking her precious lily flowers in a flower bed she cultivated in the front yard.  The cat purportedly made a bed for herself among those lilies.  My grandmother pooh-poohed the accusation, words started flying and the two women wound up becoming sworn enemies.  Then at one point the neighbor banged frantically on our door in the middle of the night, crying and begging my grandmother for help -- her husband ate some foraged mushrooms and was supposedly dying.  Hardly anyone had phones then and there, no private cars, no means to get to the hospital till morning.  My grandmother, a nurse, tended to the poisoned guy until the neighbor located a phone somewhere and called the ambulance.  Took a while.  I don't know exactly what my grandmother did to save the neighbor's husband, but the verdict at the hospital was, she did.  So, the cat was allowed to take her daytime naps in her favorite spot among the lilies again from then on, and did.    

 

This was the ultimate prize when mushroom hunting in those parts -- the King Boletus.  His royal majesty.  

 

[Nungali]

When its warm and wet  I get these in the garden 

 

 

 

Many years ago  I was staying in a caravan   with an overgrown garden  covered with jasmine vine - we used to call it 'The Jasmine Temple' it was like a huge cave under there  . Old logs outlined the path in and they had 'lumies' growing along them, so at night  your path in was illuminated ,  with tiny 'garden lights' .  And there was an old log bench by the door  and the top of the upright , near the door handle, had some growing out of it ,  just enough light  to be able to see where the handle was .    

 

Down in the bamboo grove  by the river  we sometimes  get these ones 

 

 

They make a little light pattern on the ground around them as the ridges in the gills don't glow but other parts do , so you get a little radiating mandala design on the ground in blue light . 

 

and right conditions - warm spring after rain , in the bamboo grove ; both of these  toadies out at same time , also a darker green glowing fungus that grows on the ground  like a splodge  and flashing yellow  fireflies  swooshing about ......    who needs acid  ?  

[Taomeow]

 

In Belarus we used to gather these...  of course this guy found a champ, but Parasol mushrooms are indeed huge and surprisingly edible.  Work best in soups, frying them (like any 'shrooms with gills) is a pretty uninteresting culinary endeavor, they have too much water and not enough flavor.  A look-alike grows in a nearby park here in CA, but I'm afraid to give them a try because I can't be 100% sure it's not the poisonous cousin, which also exists.  I've even taken spore prints and they looked good...  but still I'm reluctant.  American mushrooms even of the varieties I am very well familiar with look somewhat different from their European counterparts, and I was trained on European mushrooms -- on location, for which no spore print is an adequate substitute.  So, here I only take either the ones that have very distinct features and no poisonous evil twins, or else local ones I only learned about here and never met in the European forests.  

Edited May 2 by Taomeow

[Gerard]

Very cool story the one about the poisoned man and the cat with rights. It was a fun read.

 

Mushrooms are indeed a natural wonder as this nature photographer narrates in the following vid:

 

Stephen Axford: How fungi changed my view of the world

 

Very lucky indeed how that guy survived the destroying angel and def. meditation practice had a lot to do with it. 

Edited May 2 by Gerard

[Gerard]

7 hours ago, Taomeow said:

A look-alike grows in a nearby park here in CA, but I'm afraid to give them a try because I can't be 100% sure

In case of doubt disregard. Rule number one when mushroom foraging. One needs to be 100% sure. But you know this already anyway.
 

Some like the "fool's wecap" are so naughty that the active toxin  have an insidiously long latency period and may take 2 days to 3 weeks to cause symptoms. You initially think: it's all good, it was a nice meal and further down the track boom! It hits you like Thor's hammer: total kidney failure depending on the quantity eaten plus serious liver damage. Still it means death if not treated medically. 
 

Nungali, those mushrooms look very cool, I wonder if ingesting them will turn your skin into one of those Avatar movie creatures. 
 

 

 

 

[Taomeow]

4 hours ago, Gerard said:

In case of doubt disregard. Rule number one when mushroom foraging. One needs to be 100% sure. But you know this already anyway.
 

Some like the "fool's wecap" are so naughty that the active toxin  have an insidiously long latency period and may take 2 days to 3 weeks to cause symptoms. You initially think: it's all good, it was a nice meal and further down the track boom! It hits you like Thor's hammer: total kidney failure depending on the quantity eaten plus serious liver damage. Still it means death if not treated medically. 

 

As a rule I don't take any mushrooms with gills except for chanterelle.  The ones with the sponge under the cap are a lot safer, and the inedible ones among them tend to announce they're inedible with bitter taste rather than fool you with imperceptible toxins.  

 

The worst-ever mushroom scare I experienced was when we were on vacation with some relatives in the Adirondacks and gathered a good basket of mushrooms, which I was going to fry up for the whole party.  My nephew, about 3 at the time, wanted to contribute and kept offering mushrooms he found, and got upset when they were being turned down.  I cooked a great dinner of wild mushrooms with potatoes, and then at night I heard someone in the house visit the toilet.  And then a horrible thought struck me: what if my nephew did manage to sneak a death cap or something into the dish when no one was looking?..  And of course I started feeling "symptoms."  Worst night of paranoia ever.  In the morning it turned out everybody was fine of course, but I added another rule to my mushroom hunting: never in the company of helpful little kids.  

[old3bob]

 

the only thing i know about mushrooms is buying them at the grocery store, and trust they will be safe but that is not guaranteed either...(there has probably been an incident somewhere at sometime in some store with dire results?)

[Taomeow]

1 hour ago, old3bob said:

 

the only thing i know about mushrooms is buying them at the grocery store, and trust they will be safe but that is not guaranteed either...(there has probably been an incident somewhere at sometime in some store with dire results?)

 

I don't think grocery store mushrooms are capable of producing dire results except for gastronomic dissatisfaction.  I hardly ever buy them because they do nothing for me after the real thing.  Well, some Asian grocery store mushrooms sometimes, chiefly for their modest health benefits... but taste-wise, they still don't come close.  I buy dried wild ones from somewhere in Europe on occasion, and then go to town.  They are easy to rehydrate and use about the same way as you would the fresh ones.

 

  

 

 

 

 

     

[old3bob]

18 minutes ago, Taomeow said:

 

I don't think grocery store mushrooms are capable of producing dire results except for gastronomic dissatisfaction.  I hardly ever buy them because they do nothing for me after the real thing.  Well, some Asian grocery store mushrooms sometimes, chiefly for their modest health benefits... but taste-wise, they still don't come close.  I buy dried wild ones from somewhere in Europe on occasion, and then go to town.  They are easy to rehydrate and use about the same way as you would the fresh ones.

   

 

(I meant along the lines of a dangerous kind getting accidently mixed in with the good ones)

 

Edited May 2 by old3bob

[Nungali]

12 hours ago, Gerard said:

In case of doubt disregard. Rule number one when mushroom foraging. One needs to be 100% sure. But you know this already anyway.
 

Some like the "fool's wecap" are so naughty that the active toxin  have an insidiously long latency period and may take 2 days to 3 weeks to cause symptoms. You initially think: it's all good, it was a nice meal and further down the track boom! It hits you like Thor's hammer: total kidney failure depending on the quantity eaten plus serious liver damage. Still it means death if not treated medically. 
 

Nungali, those mushrooms look very cool, I wonder if ingesting them will turn your skin into one of those Avatar movie creatures. 
 

 

 

 

 

No , but we have the 'blue meanie ' as well as the 'gold top' and people who eat them might  think  they  are in an 'Avatar movie' . 

 

 

 

[Nungali]

[Taomeow]

 

 

Edited May 3 by Taomeow

[Nungali]

You cant compete with a whippet  .   That's more like 'cat scampers up fence and then jumps when it doesnt have to and head buts barn wall    

 

 

 

Stoopid  cats ! 

 

[Taomeow]

It wasn't a head butt, the front paws pushed against the barn wall, acting as shock absorbers.  And nothing is stupid that is efficient.  In martial arts styles, the counterpart of what cats are masters of would be Zui Quan (Drunken Boxing).    They do exaggerate their emotionally motivated moves and create drama over things that don't seem worth it...  like cucumbers...  but the job gets done -- they are worshipped without having to serve.  

 

 

[Nungali]

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