My experience with Simplified Kundalini Yoga (SKY) by Vethathiri Maharishi

[Nuralshamal]

Dear Dao Bums,

Here's my experience with the Simplified Kundalini Yoga by Vethathiri Maharishi.

I'll describe my experience in 4 parts:

1) Overview of the system
2) My personal experience
3) Summary
4) Conclusion

Overview of the system:

Simplified Kundalini Yoga is the creation of Vethathiri Maharishi. 

It includes the following:

a) transfer of energy from the master through touch, through the eyes and through the mind to open the chakras of the students (sparsa diksha, chakshu diksha and manodiksha)
b ) meditation (on the chakras as they're opened progressively, the stars and planets, the 5 elements,  the senses and finally the universal energy field and the universal absolute space)
c) tratak or gazing meditation (on a ghee lit earthen clay lamp and later on a mirror)
d) simplified physical yoga postures (asanas) and breathing exercises (pranayama)
e) transmutation of the sexual vital fluid through simplified kaya kalpa yoga (breathing and postures)
f) introspection and refinement of character (analysis of thoughts, moralization of desires, neutralization of anger, eradication of worries, self-realization, sex and spirituality, and finally how to achieve harmony in the family, workplace and in all relationships)

My personal experiences
This is the best spiritual system I've ever tried. 

I've tried everything under the sun: mantra meditation, pranayama, tibetan and buddhist tsa-lung and meditation, dream and sleep yoga, physical yoga exercises, sexual qigong, qigong meditation, standing meditation, sufi mantras and meditation, rituals (praying, fasting, giving food and charity), pilgrimages to holy places, vedanta, jnana/gyana yoga, psychological self development, sexual transmutation, semen retention, daoist lovemaking, gazing on the sun, moon and stars and much much more.

However, SKY still rules supreme as to the simplicity, power, effectiveness and practicality in all aspects.

From the very first day, from my initiation into the system (where your lifeforce is transferred from the root/muladhara chakra to the brow/agya chakra) my life was never the same.

That very first evening when I meditated after returning home from the initation, I had the deepest meditation of my life. My mind became still and peaceful, no thoughts or emotions, just pure and deep peace.

After the meditation I was extremely energized and full of power.

Furthermore, my sleep became the best it's ever been (and I've had life long issues with sleep).

Every single initiation (brow chakra, root chakra, crown chakra, the universal energy state, lamp gazing) keeps surprising me as to its power.

It just works. It's easy and simple, yet profoundly powerful.

Summary

SKY has been the best I've ever tried, and it keeps improving with every initiation.
Furthermore, it's a complete system. It has everything you need: physical, breathing, psychological and energetic exercises, improvement of character, meditation and transmutation of the sexual vital fluid.

Conclusion
If you're into meditation, definitively check SKY out. It has changed my life.

When I went to the first initiation, several seasoned meditators who've been meditating deeply and going on retreat yearly for the past 20+ years were also surprised at its power. They thought it sounded too easy... Yet it worked

SO! Check it out  

Be blessed

Edited July 14, 2021 by Nuralshamal

[moreira Filho]

Hi. Me again. Thanks for the info about the kaya kalpa yoga. it is realy very good. Where i can find more about the system (like te initiations and meditations)?

[Nuralshamal]

On 1.10.2022 at 5:06 AM, moreira Filho said:

Hi. Me again. Thanks for the info about the kaya kalpa yoga. it is realy very good. Where i can find more about the system (like te initiations and meditations)?

There are:

1) Simplified Physical Exercises (exercises for hands/arms, legs/feet, eyes, breathing/lungs, spine, acupressure and relaxation),

2) Meditation (all 7 chakras inside the body, 2 chakras outside the body, five senses, five elements and 9 planets, lamp meditation, mirror meditation, Divine state meditation, nityananda meditation),

3) Introspection (analyse thoughts, moralize desires, neutralize anger, eradicate worries, realize true self, harmony in relationships), and

4) Kaya Kalpa Yoga.

You can read more here: https://www.kundaliniyoga.edu.in/s/pages/skyyoga

[Chang dao ling]

On 7/14/2021 at 7:07 PM, Nuralshamal said:

Dear Dao Bums,

Here's my experience with the Simplified Kundalini Yoga by Vethathiri Maharishi.

I'll describe my experience in 4 parts:

1) Overview of the system
2) My personal experience
3) Summary
4) Conclusion

Overview of the system:

Simplified Kundalini Yoga is the creation of Vethathiri Maharishi. 

It includes the following:

a) transfer of energy from the master through touch, through the eyes and through the mind to open the chakras of the students (sparsa diksha, chakshu diksha and manodiksha)
b ) meditation (on the chakras as they're opened progressively, the stars and planets, the 5 elements,  the senses and finally the universal energy field and the universal absolute space)
c) tratak or gazing meditation (on a ghee lit earthen clay lamp and later on a mirror)
d) simplified physical yoga postures (asanas) and breathing exercises (pranayama)
e) transmutation of the sexual vital fluid through simplified kaya kalpa yoga (breathing and postures)
f) introspection and refinement of character (analysis of thoughts, moralization of desires, neutralization of anger, eradication of worries, self-realization, sex and spirituality, and finally how to achieve harmony in the family, workplace and in all relationships)

My personal experiences
This is the best spiritual system I've ever tried. 

I've tried everything under the sun: mantra meditation, pranayama, tibetan and buddhist tsa-lung and meditation, dream and sleep yoga, physical yoga exercises, sexual qigong, qigong meditation, standing meditation, sufi mantras and meditation, rituals (praying, fasting, giving food and charity), pilgrimages to holy places, vedanta, jnana/gyana yoga, psychological self development, sexual transmutation, semen retention, daoist lovemaking, gazing on the sun, moon and stars and much much more.

However, SKY still rules supreme as to the simplicity, power, effectiveness and practicality in all aspects.

From the very first day, from my initiation into the system (where your lifeforce is transferred from the root/muladhara chakra to the brow/agya chakra) my life was never the same.

That very first evening when I meditated after returning home from the initation, I had the deepest meditation of my life. My mind became still and peaceful, no thoughts or emotions, just pure and deep peace.

After the meditation I was extremely energized and full of power.

Furthermore, my sleep became the best it's ever been (and I've had life long issues with sleep).

Every single initiation (brow chakra, root chakra, crown chakra, the universal energy state, lamp gazing) keeps surprising me as to its power.

It just works. It's easy and simple, yet profoundly powerful.

Summary

SKY has been the best I've ever tried, and it keeps improving with every initiation.
Furthermore, it's a complete system. It has everything you need: physical, breathing, psychological and energetic exercises, improvement of character, meditation and transmutation of the sexual vital fluid.

Conclusion
If you're into meditation, definitively check SKY out. It has changed my life.

When I went to the first initiation, several seasoned meditators who've been meditating deeply and going on retreat yearly for the past 20+ years were also surprised at its power. They thought it sounded too easy... Yet it worked

SO! Check it out  

Be blessed

Do you see light between the eyebrows?

[Nuralshamal]

6 hours ago, Chang dao ling said:

Do you see light between the eyebrows?

Hey Chan Dao Ling,

Yes, after meditating for a while (it depends on the person how long it takes) you will see lights or other things when meditating.

If not at the beginning, then especially when you start the lamp and mirror gazing.

If you still don't see it with the lamp and mirror gazing, you will start seeing something when you reach the last stage of "divine state meditation".

Then you will see many things in meditation. Also in your dreams.

[Nuralshamal]

I've become a SKY master and have initiated about 20 people now.

Out of these 20 people, about 7 started having visions during the initation, and also when meditating at home. They also got messages in dreams.

They would see their past lives, glimpses of the future, symbols communicating messages to them, the energy/auras of people around them, dead relatives coming to visit them and giving them messages (during meditation) and much more.

I was personally very surprised, as I personally didn't experience this from the beginning. It comes after many years of practice. Also, these phenomenon weren't taught in the official SKY courses. Further, it wasn't everyone who experienced this, only some of them.

My current explanation is that it's due to positive karma from previous life times. There is already a strong seed for spiritual practice in these people (a vasana / samskara in sanskrit), so as soon as they get the boost of energy during the initiation, the seed sprouts immediately.

Compare this to other people who've never done any spiritual cultivation: for them, the initiation is the planting of a seed. They then need to water it themselves over time through daily practice and moral living.

I take it your question is an attempt to kind of "measure" the power of SKY compared to your previous knowledge of cultivation. The light emerging between the eyebrows is a stage well-described in qigong cultivation.

It's up to you what kind of cultivation you do. I have practiced SKY daily for 5 years and qigong daily for 7 years. For me the main difference is that qigong focuses more on standing meditation as well as standing exercises, whereas SKY focuses more on deep meditation from the very beginning.

From the people I've taught, I can see that people who are naturally drawn more to meditation, SKY can take them very deep very quickly. However, for more active and restless people, the more physically oriented qigong practices of standing meditation and standing qigong in general is a better starting point for them.

I've seen people regaining health and strength from both SKY and qigong.
I've seen people progressing spiritually from both SKY and qigong.
I've seen people coming into a more balanced life from both SKY and qigong.

So, both are great systems. It all comes down to the individual.

We're all different, therefore we need different things, so my best suggestion is to follow your own natural inclinations. 

[Chang dao ling]

3 hours ago, Nuralshamal said:

I've become a SKY master and have initiated about 20 people now.

Out of these 20 people, about 7 started having visions during the initation, and also when meditating at home. They also got messages in dreams.

They would see their past lives, glimpses of the future, symbols communicating messages to them, the energy/auras of people around them, dead relatives coming to visit them and giving them messages (during meditation) and much more.

I was personally very surprised, as I personally didn't experience this from the beginning. It comes after many years of practice. Also, these phenomenon weren't taught in the official SKY courses. Further, it wasn't everyone who experienced this, only some of them.

My current explanation is that it's due to positive karma from previous life times. There is already a strong seed for spiritual practice in these people (a vasana / samskara in sanskrit), so as soon as they get the boost of energy during the initiation, the seed sprouts immediately.

Compare this to other people who've never done any spiritual cultivation: for them, the initiation is the planting of a seed. They then need to water it themselves over time through daily practice and moral living.

I take it your question is an attempt to kind of "measure" the power of SKY compared to your previous knowledge of cultivation. The light emerging between the eyebrows is a stage well-described in qigong cultivation.

It's up to you what kind of cultivation you do. I have practiced SKY daily for 5 years and qigong daily for 7 years. For me the main difference is that qigong focuses more on standing meditation as well as standing exercises, whereas SKY focuses more on deep meditation from the very beginning.

From the people I've taught, I can see that people who are naturally drawn more to meditation, SKY can take them very deep very quickly. However, for more active and restless people, the more physically oriented qigong practices of standing meditation and standing qigong in general is a better starting point for them.

I've seen people regaining health and strength from both SKY and qigong.
I've seen people progressing spiritually from both SKY and qigong.
I've seen people coming into a more balanced life from both SKY and qigong.

So, both are great systems. It all comes down to the individual.

We're all different, therefore we need different things, so my best suggestion is to follow your own natural inclinations. 

Thanks for answering.  I am practicing meditation on agna chakra i am having magnetic pressure some Times it will stay for more than 2 hours. But normally it will be around 34 min some Times it will come and go ( Magnetic pressure). Can you please tell me how long it will take to see light. Please see these websites shivabalayogi.org shivarudrabalayogi.org .tell your opinion

Edited December 26, 2022 by Chang dao ling

[Nuralshamal]

2 hours ago, Chang dao ling said:

Thanks for answering.  I am practicing meditation on agna chakra i am having magnetic pressure some Times it will stay for more than 2 hours. But normally it will be around 34 min some Times it will come and go ( Magnetic pressure). Can you please tell me how long it will take to see light. Please see these websites shivabalayogi.org shivarudrabalayogi.org .tell your opinion

Yes, I've heard a lot about Shivabala yogi.

I depends on your vasanas and samskaras from your past life. For some it will happen within weeks, for others it will take years. 

However, what I can recommend is getting your agna chakra empowered routinely by a master. This greatly speeds up the process. The students I've taught get an empowerment every single time they come for meditation (I transfer energy to their chakra of meditation, e.g. agnya, muladhara or sahasrara , depending on how far along they are). This is how the SKY system does it.

The reason I've heard about Shivabala Yogi is because Steven Sai Sadleir (who's also a SKY master) learnt from both Shiva Bala Yogi, Vethathiri Maharishi and a kriya yoga guru. You can also see some of his videos if you wish, where he talks about what he learnt from each, his experiences with the sadhana and tapas they gave him etc.

I just went through the meditation page on the two weblinks you gave me, and I have a question for you:
1) Have you received a diksha/initiation by a living, physical guru physically touching your agnya chakra?

If yes, simply keep meditating and get empowerment routinely, it's a matter of time.
If no, I highly suggest getting an initation from an authentic guru. The guru provides the kick-start, without this kick-start, it could take much, much longer to see results.

My second question:
2) How long have you been meditating daily, and how much time do you meditate daily? (e.g. 1 year, 20 minutes per day, or 3 months 30 minutes per day etc)

If you answer these questions, I can more easily help you along and give better guidance

Be blessed by the Divine!
 

Edited December 26, 2022 by Nuralshamal

[Learner]

https://youtu.be/rrIHto7V8Sc?si=lCQnsY-n7_LiyvK7

 

Can this video be followed to practice SKY yoga?

[Chang dao ling]

2 hours ago, Learner said:

https://youtu.be/rrIHto7V8Sc?si=lCQnsY-n7_LiyvK7

 

Can this video be followed to practice SKY yoga?

No. You have to take intiation from sky master. These exercises are less effective without intiation. I recommend you to take intiation from Krish murali eswar

[Bhathen]

19 hours ago, Learner said:

https://youtu.be/rrIHto7V8Sc?si=lCQnsY-n7_LiyvK7

 

Can this video be followed to practice SKY yoga?

Yes, it's a full body exercise routine for anyone, effective for vitality and the first thing taught in their classes. It's designed to aid their meditation system. If you are into other internal arts, you might need to reconsider doing the Kapalabathi exercise at 29 minutes.

[hierundjetzt]

On 7/14/2021 at 3:37 PM, Nuralshamal said:

Dear Dao Bums,

Here's my experience with the Simplified Kundalini Yoga by Vethathiri Maharishi.

I'll describe my experience in 4 parts:

1) Overview of the system
2) My personal experience
3) Summary
4) Conclusion

Overview of the system:

Simplified Kundalini Yoga is the creation of Vethathiri Maharishi. 

It includes the following:

a) transfer of energy from the master through touch, through the eyes and through the mind to open the chakras of the students (sparsa diksha, chakshu diksha and manodiksha)
b ) meditation (on the chakras as they're opened progressively, the stars and planets, the 5 elements,  the senses and finally the universal energy field and the universal absolute space)
c) tratak or gazing meditation (on a ghee lit earthen clay lamp and later on a mirror)
d) simplified physical yoga postures (asanas) and breathing exercises (pranayama)
e) transmutation of the sexual vital fluid through simplified kaya kalpa yoga (breathing and postures)
f) introspection and refinement of character (analysis of thoughts, moralization of desires, neutralization of anger, eradication of worries, self-realization, sex and spirituality, and finally how to achieve harmony in the family, workplace and in all relationships)

My personal experiences
This is the best spiritual system I've ever tried. 

I've tried everything under the sun: mantra meditation, pranayama, tibetan and buddhist tsa-lung and meditation, dream and sleep yoga, physical yoga exercises, sexual qigong, qigong meditation, standing meditation, sufi mantras and meditation, rituals (praying, fasting, giving food and charity), pilgrimages to holy places, vedanta, jnana/gyana yoga, psychological self development, sexual transmutation, semen retention, daoist lovemaking, gazing on the sun, moon and stars and much much more.

However, SKY still rules supreme as to the simplicity, power, effectiveness and practicality in all aspects.

From the very first day, from my initiation into the system (where your lifeforce is transferred from the root/muladhara chakra to the brow/agya chakra) my life was never the same.

That very first evening when I meditated after returning home from the initation, I had the deepest meditation of my life. My mind became still and peaceful, no thoughts or emotions, just pure and deep peace.

After the meditation I was extremely energized and full of power.

Furthermore, my sleep became the best it's ever been (and I've had life long issues with sleep).

Every single initiation (brow chakra, root chakra, crown chakra, the universal energy state, lamp gazing) keeps surprising me as to its power.

It just works. It's easy and simple, yet profoundly powerful.

Summary

SKY has been the best I've ever tried, and it keeps improving with every initiation.
Furthermore, it's a complete system. It has everything you need: physical, breathing, psychological and energetic exercises, improvement of character, meditation and transmutation of the sexual vital fluid.

Conclusion
If you're into meditation, definitively check SKY out. It has changed my life.

When I went to the first initiation, several seasoned meditators who've been meditating deeply and going on retreat yearly for the past 20+ years were also surprised at its power. They thought it sounded too easy... Yet it worked

SO! Check it out  

Be blessed

Hello, I would be interested in SKY. How does one go about to start it? You mentioned an initiation. Do I have to find a master for that? Are there SKY centers, or can it be done online?

[Nuralshamal]

@hierundjetzt Awesome to hear from you!

 

The idea is to take the education online, yet receive the initiation face to face from your local centre.

This is the foundation course:
https://www.kundaliniyoga.edu.in/s/store/courses/Yoga for Human Excellence

It's an intro to SKY, and the two initiations you can go to your local centre and get afterwards/during is Kundalini awakening and then agnya and muladhara chakra.

When you've completed that, you can get all chakras opened when taking the advanced course:
https://www.kundaliniyoga.edu.in/s/store/courses/Certificate-Course-Level-2

All chakras, and also learn highly secret and powerful meditations like lamp gazing, mirror gazing, 5 elements and 9 planets, 5 senses, nityananda (ecstasy meditation) and much more, it's incredible

Edited May 27 by Nuralshamal

[hierundjetzt]

1 hour ago, Nuralshamal said:

@hierundjetzt Awesome to hear from you!

 

The idea is to take the education online, yet receive the initiation face to face from your local centre.

This is the foundation course:
https://www.kundaliniyoga.edu.in/s/store/courses/Yoga for Human Excellence

It's an intro to SKY, and the two initiations you can go to your local centre and get afterwards/during is Kundalini awakening and then agnya and muladhara chakra.

When you've completed that, you can get all chakras opened when taking the advanced course:
https://www.kundaliniyoga.edu.in/s/store/courses/Certificate-Course-Level-2

All chakras, and also learn highly secret and powerful meditations like lamp gazing, mirror gazing, 5 elements and 9 planets, 5 senses, nityananda (ecstasy meditation) and much more, it's incredible

Great, now I understood how to proceed! Thanks

[Nuralshamal]

Just wanted to give a general SKY update;

Will give short summary of pointers of my learnings, then long one where I go in depth with each of the 3 pointers.

Short
1) I've initiated about 100 people now, about 10 "all the way" (meaning all levels of SKY)
2) I've learnt some of the secret, hidden, discontinued SKY meditations (pranava, astral travel, manonmani, pidari kann)
3) Been "hit" by the stumbling block of Indian politics MANY times

Long
1) I've initiated about 100 people now, about 10 "all the way" (meaning all levels of SKY)
1.1. Power of Vethathiri
What I noticed is that Vethathiri's energy comes EVERY SINGLE TIME.

It's honestly incredible and mind blowing.

Out of 100 people, you'd think it didn't work for some, they didn't feel it, energy didn't come etc. Just like working out, building muscle, cardio, brushing your teeth, no matter if you do everything perfectly, some people just won't suceed.

It's the camel curve, or bell curve of average distribution, all are average, then some few big failures and some few big winners.

But out of 100, 100 felt the energy.

1.2 Different people's response to the energy
Further what I noticed is that people close to me, who love me, or who are just very open to me, receive the energy much more powerfully. E.g. my mom, my wife, my wife's family, my siblings, my cousins, some few coworkers interested in yoga who came to the course (so we knew each other a bit), and again some few "strangers of the internet" who just found my webpage but for some reason were super open to me.

All the people who were more open received it so powerfully; e.g. my mom started having visions of the future, visions of her past life, getting lucid dreams, this was her first week of the very first diksha/initation. It was crazy.

My wife and her family all also got visions of their ancestors, life guidance, felt the energy strongly and clearly as vibration.

My siblings and my cousins went deep into the thuriyateetha state on the very first day of that particular diksha, where you merge completely with the universal state. It took me about 3 years of twice daily practice to stabilize going to that state and staying there.

My cousin who's not really into spirituality, though he belives in Almighty God (he's an orthodox Christian), he was quite shocked and stated after the meditation "it was as if I disappeared, I was one with the universe, it was scary! I had to move my arms just to feel I still existed". So his ego was wiped clear, he went to the last and final of the 5 koshas/sheaths and because he had never heard of that experience before, he couldn't understand nor roll with it. Only when I explained afterwards did he understand he had a glimpse of the goal of yoga, union with the universe.

One of my childhood friend's little brother saw clear visions of the universe and stars, and also the local spirits in our area observing our meditation from a distance. His ancestors are from the Middle East and Central Asia, so figured he had some kind of connection with shamanism from central Asia since he connected with the world of local land spirits and protectors.

1.3 Personal stories
An elderly lady who's quite clairvoyant had 360 vision during the deekshas of the room and got pretty interesting visions and guidance about me and my father's type of energy and life path (as we found out she had met my dad about 5-10 years earlier). What she told me made real sense, she had a vision of my dad as a "flagbearer" in an army, with fire coming out of the footsteps behind his trail. My dad has been main man in taking Indian spirituality to our country, real, authentic and undiluted. Whereas she saw me as an ocean, calmly embracing the planet earth and the universe.  As you've read in my different posts, I've been in deep contact with a lot of ancient, traditional spiritualities, and embrace all and share freely.

A depressed, early 20s gay guy who had dropped out of his education, moved away from his family in another part of the country, and felt life was meaningless started getting his energy back, feeling vibration and energy, being able to observe his thoughts without getting sucked in and found his new life-path with renewed energy after about 3-5 months of meditation and introspection, having received the thuriya or crown diksha/initiation.

I have so many stories to share. I actually feel my heart being touched by all these personal stories, I also feel warm inside. So happy to share what changed my own life.

There was also a 60s something gentleman who worked his whole life as a manual laborer. In his youth he had a kundalini experience while trying some yoga, and he had spent 40+ years having that in the back of his mind, just knowing some day he would explore further.

e drove 4 hours from the other end of the country to see me and get diksha. He was so content, we actually spent about 60-70 minutes in deep agnya meditation together, where I boosted his chakra many times (which is quite unusual in SKY, in the courses we only meditate 10-20 minutes together, we focus on opening people's energy so they themselves can keep working on it at home).

But he had literally spent his whole life waiting for this moment, and drove all the way to get it. So we meditated deeply together. We've stayed in contact via email, and he's now meditating several hours pr day, has bought all my books, and says he finally has hit home with Kundalini and chakras after 40 years of wondering about it.

My cousin's boyfriend from Morocco spent 5-7 years following Sadhguru, doing his surya kriya religiously 1 hour every morning, shambhavi, inner engineering, the whole shebang. He works in IT and has even volunteered many hours and weeks to arrange Sadhguru events and come-togethers here in our country. When he did SKY he was so surprised, he was like "I feel the vibration in my agnya.. what's that about?" - I'm like "it's your Kundalini, it's now gone to agnya". "But then.. now what? what do I do?" - "simply observe the vibration when you meditate, it will make it grow stronger". "okay."

After 3-6 months he contacted me to try the next level, thuriya or crown chakra. Again he was like "I clearly feel an energy in my crown, it's physical, it feels like the size of a peanut, yet electrical and giving off vibrations. What does that mean?" - "it means your Kundalini has now reached your crown, traditionally seen as the highest yogic realization. Usually they say 12 years to reach agnya, now in 6 months your Kundalini is in your crown".

He was like "that's true, sadhguru has said it's 12 years of surya kriya, shambavi etc, and there's still no guarantee". I said "through SKY you just skipped 12 years. You did it in 6 months!" - his eyes widened in disbelief "What... how's that possible?" - "it's the power of SKY and Vethatiri, it's just a way suited for modern people living in the world, instead of celibates on a mountain".

His paradigm was shattered, he had done surya kriya daily for 5 years or so, he had spent so much time, money and energy, travel to India, you name it. And now he got it from his girlfriend's cousin in 6 months, easy, simple. That is SKY - SIMPLIFIED Kundalini Yoga.

I could go on and on, just wanted to share some stories. It is truly a deep satisfaction in my soul to look back on all these people and how SKY helped them, just like it helped me.

2) I've learnt some of the secret, hidden, discontinued SKY meditations (pranava, astral travel, manonmani, pidari kann)
2.1
Firstly, was super disappointed with the astral travel meditation, wrote about it here (latest post)
https://www.thedaobums.com/topic/56944-found-a-place-that-teaches-astral-travel-but-you-need-to-be-indian/?tab=comments#comment-1065498

2.2
The pranava is very interesting, I feel like it could potentially help with achieving REAL astral projection in the future with continued practice. You "expand your astral body", first vertically (up to the sun, moon, stars, shakti kalam or universal energy state and shiva kalam or universal static state and then back point by point), then horizontally (to the room, to the city, to the country, to the continent, to the earth, then shakti kalam and shiva kalam, then back step by step)

2.3
The manonmani meditation is REALLY good. For simplicity's sake, in SKY you meditate on the front of the body instead of in the center of the body. Simply because people had a hard time finding the correct location with their awareness in their body. These points all on the central front line (ren mai or conception vessel) are called "kshetras" in hinduism or activation points for the chakras in the middle of the body. However if you look up the points in qigong, each also have a spiritual function. E.g. navel that is used for astral travel is called "shen que" or spirit gate, interestingly enough, drawing a parallel between Indian and Chinese understanding of the energy and spirit bodies.

The only meditations in the center of the body in current official SKY system are muladhara (hui yin) and sahasrara/thuriya (bai hui).

However manonmani is the very centre of the brain, where you meditate directly on the pineal gland. The rogue master that taught me this meditation said that this is the ultimate point for all supernatural powers, inner vision, predicting the future, merging with Divinity, acquiring all knowledge, you name it.

I have only shared this meditation with 2 people so far, and unfortunately haven't had enough time to practice to share my own personal experiences, other than that I feel deep peace when I meditate on it.

2.4
Pidari Kann is what is called "the jade pillow" in qigong, the nape of the neck. It's called "the neck eye" in some tamil texts. I feel a real opening of my entire central channel and spine when I meditate on it, but haven't had the chance to go deep with it yet, so still more to be experienced.

3) Been "hit" by the stumbling block of Indian politics MANY times

I took about 3 years of me actively pushing and ruthlessly networking before they taught me the final dikshas in SKY, namely how to initiate to the universe as well as how to initiate the "lower chakras" (genital, navel, heart and throat).

Similarly, I spent yet another 5 years ruthlessly pushing, pulling, affecting, working, networking before I found this rogue master who taught me Pranava, Manonmani, Pidari Kann, Astral travel and so on.

He even shared some of Vethathiri's personal stories and experiences that deeply touched my heart, showcasing the incredible personality and character of this great Guru and Master. I was deeply touched to learn more about the man that changed my life through SKY.

So just want to warn everyone out there if you personally want to progress to master level - be prepared for some serious corruption, confusion, indian power play, politics and downright tyrannical dictatorship if you want to become a full master.

I also discussed this with Steven Sadleir who's one of the few "white masters" out there still teaching SKY, and he gave me his own crazy stories of direct contact with corrupt, Indian power play politics in both the US and India.

So be warned and be prepared if you ever reach this level.