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Personally, I don't have anything against people with different opinion than mine, I would even enjoy to see some criticism, which I rarely encounter, as that would require logic and arguments, based on internal practice and many years of research.

 

You are just insulting everyone and calling this dao. 

"My dao is better than your dao."

"His dao is wrong and dangerous, all must follow our dao"

 

How many years did you practice?

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1 minute ago, Song of the Dao said:

 

Wow. And here I thought I was being outlandish....

 

Yep. That's what happens when someone comes in to the middle of a forum's history... and thinking they know what's what, and what's "best". 

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Just now, Jonesboy said:

 

I thought the teachings were to humble yourself.

 

Where does it show to humble others and test their mettle?

 

That seems the exact opposite of the teachings.

 

I am being specific to Daoists talking with Daoists.  On the surface it looks unkind.

 

 

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2 minutes ago, Jonesboy said:

I think Flowing Hands TTC is very, very good.

His first 81 pretty much parallels the Feng/English translation.

His LZ-channeled ones reveal (as best I recall) a moralistic undertone. 

Which is all fine and good - but adds extraneous concepts imo, and muddles up the clarity of the ddj. <--That's just my take; we each have our own understandings. (-:

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4 minutes ago, Jonesboy said:

I think Flowing Hands TTC is very, very good.

 

What he writes is antagonistic towards Lao Tzu, for example.
 

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A great tree stretches its limbs towards the Heavens.

Men should be like trees.

A great tree draws its goodness from the Earth and from the Heavens.

Men should be like trees.

 

 

How do you even reconcile that with this from LAo Tzu?
 

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The supreme good is like water,
which nourishes all things without trying to.
It is content with the low places that people disdain.
Thus it is like the Tao.

In dwelling, live close to the ground.
In thinking, keep to the simple.
In conflict, be fair and generous.
In governing, don’t try to control.
In work, do what you enjoy.
In family life, be completely present.

 

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31 minutes ago, Song of the Dao said:

 

But no, we cannot speak our mind, because you see, I got a "warning" based on reports from all the people who reported me just because they disagree with me. Were they truly offended?

 

 

Disagreement is not grounds for moderator/admin action. 

 

And this reverse victimhood seems very odd to me. Sometimes it's not what is said, but the manner in which it's said. 

 

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1 hour ago, Song of the Dao said:

 

Your ass is where your mouth should be!

Or what is actually said... 

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18 minutes ago, Song of the Dao said:

 

What he writes is antagonistic towards Lao Tzu, for example.
 

 

How do you even reconcile that with this from LAo Tzu?
 

 

 

What is the Dao of a Tree ?

 

Should it slump towards the ground or raise up in response to the sun/heavens?  Think Heliotropism of plants.

 

A tree can live (be nourished) due to the benefit of heaven and earth.  

 

So should man. 

 

The Dao of water likewise displays attributes that we can say, so should man. 

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8 minutes ago, Mudfoot said:

Or what is actually said... 

 

What I mean is, if a person's words are found to be a bunch of shit buy another person, the second person can easily say, "I see no value in what you present" - or walk away. And there will be no issues or repurcussions.

 

The second person also (clearly) has the option to "kick it up a notch", but they should also be willing to accept the repurcussions for their own choice of words. 

 

Once someone has stepped into personal insult, to then fall back on simply 'due to disagreement' is disingenuous imo.

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12 minutes ago, dawei said:

 

What is the Dao of a Tree ?

 

Should it slump towards the ground or raise up in response to the sun/heavens?  Think Heliotropism of plants.

 

A tree can live (be nourished) due to the benefit of heaven and earth.  

 

So should man. 

 

The Dao of water likewise displays attributes that we can say, so should man. 

 

The Dao of a Tree - is to flourish, or not; to grow, or not; to slump towards the ground, or not; to raise up in response to the sun/heavens, or not; and in its own time, and by its own nature (dao) to eventually wither and die. Such is the way.

 

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The human species with their insignificant anthropocentric point of view is on full display here. Lonely planet earth orbits in the backwater of the Milky Way galaxy and is hardly significant.

 

Anyone seen the new image of the black hole some 55 million light years away?

 

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8 minutes ago, ralis said:

The human species with their insignificant anthropocentric point of view is on full display here.

 

I seem to remember yourself and Vaj going at it for 50+ pages back in the day.

I miss those times....

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15 minutes ago, ralis said:

Anyone seen the new image of the black hole some 55 million light years away?

 

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The eye of Sauron 

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2 minutes ago, Fa Xin said:

 

The eye of Sauron 

 

"And in the darkness bind them."

 

Kinda appropriate for a black hole. ;)

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29 minutes ago, ralis said:

The human species with their insignificant anthropocentric point of view is on full display here. Lonely planet earth orbits in the backwater of the Milky Way galaxy and is hardly significant.

 

Anyone seen the new image of the black hole some 55 million light years away?

 

7200.jpg?width=620&quality=85&auto=forma

 

Now that's an elevated perspective.

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58 minutes ago, Fa Xin said:

 

The eye of Sauron 

 

Yes, but can anyone see Uranus in this pic? 

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4 minutes ago, Earl Grey said:

 

Yes, but can anyone see Uranus in this pic? 

 

Only after Taco Bell supper.

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1 hour ago, ilumairen said:

 

Disagreement is not grounds for moderator/admin action. 

 

And this reverse victimhood seems very odd to me. Sometimes it's not what is said, but the manner in which it's said. 

 

 

You have missed my point. I did not say the admins disagreement with me caused their action. It was the people who disagreed with me who reported me which caused the admins to take action. I don't care, I am just highlighting the behavior to show how the dysfunction happens.

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1 hour ago, dawei said:

 

What is the Dao of a Tree ?

 

Should it slump towards the ground or raise up in response to the sun/heavens?  Think Heliotropism of plants.

 

A tree can live (be nourished) due to the benefit of heaven and earth.  

 

So should man. 

 

The Dao of water likewise displays attributes that we can say, so should man. 

 

Saying man should be like a tree is saying they should make them selves bigger. That idea, that we should make ourselves bigger is antithetical to the Dao.

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1 hour ago, ilumairen said:

The second person also (clearly) has the option to "kick it up a notch", but they should also be willing to accept the repurcussions for their own choice of words.

 

You are assuming I am not willing to accept the repercussions. Do you think I said what I said with no intent?

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1 hour ago, ralis said:

The human species with their insignificant anthropocentric point of view is on full display here. Lonely planet earth orbits in the backwater of the Milky Way galaxy and is hardly significant.

 

Anyone seen the new image of the black hole some 55 million light years away?

 

 

 

Why be amazed with something 55 million light years away when I am amazed right here!

And speaking of anthropocentric, I have yet to meet a bird that is interested in black holes.

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39 minutes ago, Song of the Dao said:

 

Why be amazed with something 55 million light years away when I am amazed right here!

And speaking of anthropocentric, I have yet to meet a bird that is interested in black holes.

 

I think you missed my point!

 

Belief systems that are underpinned by anthropocentric views are caught up in the pre-Copernicus era. During the formation of city states during the Axial Age, monotheism was invented as a means of political social control so as to maintain order among the populous which were replete with diverse pagan belief systems.

 

I think most so called Taoists are still caught in the pre-Copernicus earth centered belief system. Or, as Robert Anton Wilson famously stated; belief systems are BS.

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