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This article, The Great Divide (linked below) brought Dao Bums to mind so I figured I'd share. 
What I took from the reading was the importance of cultivating the quality of acceptance in relation to the diversity of 'spiritual' teachings and practices that abound in our world today. 
For me, teachings and practices are as good as there ability to bring the 'seeker' to that which they seek. With that in mind, who am I to judge how or what that looks like for someone else..  

 

https://tricycle.org/magazine/the-great-divide/

 

Methinks we do a great job of being all-inclusive here at the Dao Bums but me also thinks it's still an important reminder. 
As a newbie, it took me some time to understand that being so tunnel visioned as to disregard another's path because it didn't match my own understanding could have left others feeling as though they didn't belong. It's one thing to disagree and another to disregard and it's important to keep in mind that  language/words are important in a community forged by language/words. 

 

Anyway, that's all I got. Appreciate you taking the time to pop in.  
Happy and open to hearing what you got from the article should you feel moved to read and share. 

 

In the spirit of Aetherous's 'Counting our Blessings' thread I want to thank you all for being and contributing to the forum. I'm grateful for you. 
A special thanks to all the admins/mods for keeping things in check and providing a safe space for us all to be and share in. 

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Diversity, eh...?

First sentence of the article:

"A  few years ago I attended a gathering of mostly white Buddhists, where I was met with a stunning lack of community."

No need to read further, the usual nonsensical racist anti-white and pro-diversity propaganda to push the globalist agenda "divide and rule".

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1 hour ago, Wells said:

Diversity, eh...?

First sentence of the article:

"A  few years ago I attended a gathering of mostly white Buddhists, where I was met with a stunning lack of community."

No need to read further, the usual nonsensical racist anti-white and pro-diversity propaganda to push the globalist agenda "divide and rule".

 

It is indeed unfortunate that in the very first sentence the author identifies himself as an ousider with the suggestion that it was the "whiteness" of the other members of the gathering that caused the problem.

 

Wells is quite right in identifying this sort of thing as having become "usual" in western society. It is very much the Cultural Marxist zeitgeist in which are ever more immersed.

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@Wells and @Chang

I hear what you're both saying and agree that the first sentence can create some discomfort and be little off-putting.

 

I think it's important not to 'throw the baby out with the bath water'. No matter the perception of what agenda is being pushed, cultivating the quality of acceptance can prove to be a useful tool, which is something I thought the author consistently aimed at illustrating. Not all messages/teachings are going to come packaged perfectly; I thought the general essence of the article and what it's promoting outweighed the derisive aspects. 

 

Maybe I'm unclear or just ignorant but aren't concepts like anti-white and pro-diversity in conflict with one another? Maybe my real question is, doesn't the concept of pro-diversity include white along with everyone else?  

 

 

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I read most of the article. He gives some interesting points. Although it seemed more about the politics and socio structure, which I don’t really care about (sorry). 

 

One thing that jumped out to me was the first paragraph as well. Not for the reason others give however... More so the fact that his reaction to the group of Buddhists he was with, seemed to be his own personal reaction, one based on issues and perceptions. He then goes onto write the article based on his perceived imbalance of western sangha, and need to diversify. 

 

Instead of looking outward and encouraging diversity, I hope he also looked inward and asked himself, why am I feeling uncomfortable here?

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18 hours ago, Rishi Das said:

@Wells and @Chang

I hear what you're both saying and agree that the first sentence can create some discomfort and be little off-putting.

 

I think it's important not to 'throw the baby out with the bath water'. No matter the perception of what agenda is being pushed, cultivating the quality of acceptance can prove to be a useful tool, which is something I thought the author consistently aimed at illustrating. Not all messages/teachings are going to come packaged perfectly; I thought the general essence of the article and what it's promoting outweighed the derisive aspects. 

 

Maybe I'm unclear or just ignorant but aren't concepts like anti-white and pro-diversity in conflict with one another? Maybe my real question is, doesn't the concept of pro-diversity include white along with everyone else?  

 

 

 

Acceptance can indeed be a useful tool but ever more the Western Male is expected to accept that which is diametrically opposed to all that we have historically held dear. Any opposition to the Cultural Marxist zeitgeist is met with vitriol.

 

Tell a Feminista or Socialist to be "more accepting" of things they dislike and see what sort of answer you get.

 

As regards pro-diversity including white along with everyone else the question is incorrectly phrased. It may well include white females (left leaning and feminist) but will exclude white males unless they are the pussified namby pambies such as those found in Antifa and many intellectual Buddhist circles.

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13 hours ago, Fa Xin said:

He then goes onto write the article based on his perceived imbalance of western sangha, and need to diversify. 

By forcing afro-americans, hispanics and asian to join so that there will be an acceptable mix? 

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14 minutes ago, Mudfoot said:

By forcing afro-americans, hispanics and asian to join so that there will be an acceptable mix? 

 

*shrugs*

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2 hours ago, Chang said:

 

 

 

Tell a Feminista or Socialist to be "more accepting" of things they dislike and see what sort of answer you get.

 

 

 

ROTFLMAO

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4 hours ago, Chang said:

Acceptance can indeed be a useful tool but ever more the Western Male is expected to accept that which is diametrically opposed to all that we have historically held dear. Any opposition to the Cultural Marxist zeitgeist is met with vitriol.

 

Tell a Feminista or Socialist to be "more accepting" of things they dislike and see what sort of answer you get.

 

As regards pro-diversity including white along with everyone else the question is incorrectly phrased. It may well include white females (left leaning and feminist) but will exclude white males unless they are the pussified namby pambies such as those found in Antifa and many intellectual Buddhist circles.

 

What about the West's history of colonialism and the imposition of diametrically opposed ways of living/being forced on conquered peoples around the world for centuries? And the Feminista - what about the forced repression she, her mother, and past generations have been forced to live through? 

 

When I take myself out of the equation, it seems that we western males are getting a taste of our own medicine and realizing it tastes like shit. I don't get the feeling that people are calling for us to suffer the same treatment we've administered but instead are finally demanding to be treated as equals. 

 

My privilege and lack of real world struggle due to my being a white middle/upper class american male may make me one of those pussified namby pambies you speak of. That said, I can't refuse to see the shared humanity among all peoples of the world. We may not all be equal in terms of knowledge, power, wealth, etc. but when it comes to basic human rights and respect for those rights, it seems to me that everyone is equal and should be treated as such. .

 

Am I missing something? 

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The author of the article seems to be lamenting the lack of ritual and tradition in Western Buddhism, but the reason for that is that ritual and tradition are cultural and therefore most Westerners can't relate to it at all, it doesn't transmit anything to them and it doesn't resonate. So I don't really see what the solution is and the author doesn't supply one. 

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44 minutes ago, Rishi Das said:

 

What about the West's history of colonialism and the imposition of diametrically opposed ways of living/being forced on conquered peoples around the world for centuries? And the Feminista - what about the forced repression she, her mother, and past generations have been forced to live through? 

 

Yes what about it?

 

44 minutes ago, Rishi Das said:

 

When I take myself out of the equation, it seems that we western males are getting a taste of our own medicine and realizing it tastes like shit. I don't get the feeling that people are calling for us to suffer the same treatment we've administered but instead are finally demanding to be treated as equals. 

 

You are rather naive if you think that they will be happy to be treated as equals.

 

44 minutes ago, Rishi Das said:

 

My privilege and lack of real world struggle due to my being a white middle/upper class american male may make me one of those pussified namby pambies you speak of. That said, I can't refuse to see the shared humanity among all peoples of the world. We may not all be equal in terms of knowledge, power, wealth, etc. but when it comes to basic human rights and respect for those rights, it seems to me that everyone is equal and should be treated as such. .

 

All animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others. And yes you may well be a pussified namby pamby but let us not go down that road.

 

44 minutes ago, Rishi Das said:

 

Am I missing something? 

 

Nothing that I can show you for having eyes you see not and ears you hear not.

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27 minutes ago, Chang said:

Yes what about it?

Guess I just felt inclined to state it. 

 

27 minutes ago, Chang said:

You are rather naive if you think that they will be happy to be treated as equals.

You could very well be right about that. 

 

Appreciate your input. 

 

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Guilt is a dreadful affliction which slowly but surely depletes both the mind and body.

 

Cultural Marxist's, together with their myrmidons the feminista's, liberals and socialists are guilt mongers. whilst I am quite happy for them to dwell in perpetual contrition I see no reason for western Man as a whole to suffer the same fate.

 

For all those who are beginning to feel faint of heart through the onslaught of the unrighteous here is a song to cheer you up.

 

 The song of the sorrow of Liberals is a weary song and a dreary song,
  The glory of Lenin and Stalins grange had got into great decay,
  The song of the poor Feminist has never been called a cheery song,
  And the brightest things in Marx are anything else but gay.

  But who will write us a riding song,
  Or a hunting song or a drinking song,
  Fit for them that arose and rode
  When day and the wine were red?
  But bring me a quart of claret out,
  And I will write you a clinking song,
  A song of war and a song of wine
  And a song to wake the dead.

  The song of the fury of Hillary is a florid song and a torrid song,
  The song of the sorrow of Obama is sung to a harp unstrung,
  The song of the cheerful Muslim Lad I consider a perfectly horrid song,
  And the song of the happy Socialist is a song that can't be sung.

  But who will write us a riding song
  Or a fighting song or a drinking song,
  Fit for the fathers of you and me,
  That knew how to think and thrive?
  But the song of Equality Diversity and Love
  Is simply an utterly stinking song,
  To double you up and drag you down
  And damn your soul alive.

With apologies to G K Chesterton.

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15 hours ago, Rishi Das said:

 

What about the West's history of colonialism and the imposition of diametrically opposed ways of living/being forced on conquered peoples around the world for centuries? And the Feminista - what about the forced repression she, her mother, and past generations have been forced to live through? 

 

When I take myself out of the equation, it seems that we western males are getting a taste of our own medicine and realizing it tastes like shit. I don't get the feeling that people are calling for us to suffer the same treatment we've administered but instead are finally demanding to be treated as equals. 

 

My privilege and lack of real world struggle due to my being a white middle/upper class american male may make me one of those pussified namby pambies you speak of. That said, I can't refuse to see the shared humanity among all peoples of the world. We may not all be equal in terms of knowledge, power, wealth, etc. but when it comes to basic human rights and respect for those rights, it seems to me that everyone is equal and should be treated as such. .

 

Am I missing something? 

 

Yes you are , you need to give up your car your house and all your money to atone for your sins of being born white.  

 

Many of the cultures that you mention also had slavery maybe you're right the West should have left them alone so they could still practice slavery almost forgot some still do.

 

What you site is called natural law the law that everybody seems to appreciate it until it's really applied.  Only the Strong Survive this is natural law.  Western values have allowed more people to survive due to rule of law instead of natural law

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12 hours ago, windwalker said:

Yes you are , you need to give up your car your house and all your money to atone for your sins of being born white.  

 

Many of the cultures that you mention also had slavery maybe you're right the West should have left them alone so they could still practice slavery almost forgot some still do.

 

What you site is called natural law the law that everybody seems to appreciate it until it's really applied.  Only the Strong Survive this is natural law.  Western values have allowed more people to survive due to rule of law instead of natural law

 

Thanks for sharing your point of view. I appreciate the input, it gives me something to chew on. 

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15 hours ago, Rishi Das said:

Thanks for sharing your point of view. I appreciate the input, it gives me something to chew on. 

 

 

Some more for you to chew on.

 

"A white woman who stopped in a Bronx deli for a sandwich was accused of being a supporter of President Donald Trump, then attacked and robbed by two teenagers, a report says."

 

"A roommate told the media that the victim is not a Trump supporter.

Police have not arrested anyone for the attack and have no suspects. But the NYPD’s Hate Crime Task Force is investigating the crime.  The suspects are Hispanic, both around 17 years old. One suspect stands 5-foot-8 and weighs about 160 pounds and has short hair. The second is 5-foot-9 and weighs about 160 pounds, according to police."

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/12/14/teens-new-york-deli-accuse-white-woman-supporting-donald-trump-attack-rob/

 

In many major cites there are neighborhoods where if one is the other  "white"  they should not be....more so for  cities who claim diversity is their strength.  

 

When I lived in HI they have a day called "Kill Haole Day"  I was considered hapa haole,,half white due to my ancestry this allowed me to interface in a way that would not have been possible if I was considered haole..

 

HI the islands of  aloha 

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Kill Haole Day is an event that has occurred in some Hawaiian schools, when non-white students are said to harass and sometimes attack White Hawaiian students.[1]"

 

 

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13 hours ago, windwalker said:

When I lived in HI they have a day called "Kill Haole Day"  I was considered hapa haole,,half white due to my ancestry this allowed me to interface in a way that would not have been possible if I was considered haole..

 

HI the islands of  aloha 

 yep unless 

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Kill Haole Day is an event that has occurred in some Hawaiian schools, when non-white students are said to harass and sometimes attack White Hawaiian students."

Yes, just ONE informal day (where no one actually gets killed) per year in reaction to...~600 years of actual global, aboriginal genocide, colonialist land theft, religious persecution, cruel & unusual punishment, broken treaties, wanton environmental destruction, and the Earth's 6th MASS EXTINCTION - is just such an unwarranted overreaction! :rolleyes:

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The Doctrine of Discovery, Manifest Destiny, and American Exceptionalism

We live on the Earth as part of a vast, interdependent web of life. But dominant Christianity sees the Earth not as sacred but as something to be ruled over as God commanded—i.e. discovered, occupied and made productive.  This article describes some of the direct results of the Christian belief in God-sanctioned dominion.

Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”

This section of Scripture is known as the Great Commission. As the last recorded personal directive of Jesus to his disciples, it holds great significance to all his followers. It is the theological foundation for Christian evangelism, Crusades, and the Doctrine of Discovery. Christians have read this statement as God’s mandate to convert the world to Christianity so that the millennium could begin.

Many Native Americans, when speaking about Western civilization, Christianity and colonization, will immediately name the Doctrine of Discovery as the root of the colonization, dispossession and genocide they have experienced from the western colonial powers throughout the Americas. The roots of the Doctrine of Discovery lie in the two biblical quotes above but it took a long time to coalesce into official western Christian policy.

The Doctrine of Discovery, formalized in the Papal Bulls of the 13th and 14th centuries, specified that the entire world was under the jurisdiction of the Pope, as God’s representative on earth. Any land not Christianized, i.e. not under the sovereignty of a Christian ruler, could be possessed on behalf of God. All time and space was considered empty until Christians arrived with God’s truth; until then it was Terra Nullius. Previously it existed in a dark, wild and timeless existence of absolutely no significance.

In 1455 (Romanus Pontifex ) and then again in 1493 (Inter Caetera ) the Pope, claiming dominion over the entire world, issued statements which gave European rulers the sanction to colonize all of the non-Christian world. Speaking as God’s representative on earth, the popes anointed these rulers and their representatives as sanctified conquerors of anything they discovered not already claimed by Christian rulers. The Bulls gave Columbus, Cortez, Pizarro, Cook, Hudson and the rest both legal and moral license to do whatever they wanted to the people and lands they encountered, including dispossession, enslavement, and murder. They were granted

“free and ample faculty…to invade, search out, capture, vanquish, and subdue all Saracens [Muslims] and pagans whatsoever, and other enemies of Christ wheresoever placed, and the kingdoms, dukedoms, principalities, dominions, possessions, and all movable and immovable goods whatsoever held and possessed by them and to reduce their persons to perpetual slavery, and to apply and appropriate to himself and his successors the kingdoms, dukedoms, counties, principalities, dominions, possessions, and goods, and to convert them to his and their use and profit. - Romanus Pontifex, 1455

US legal doctrine is based on the Doctrine of Discovery. For example, in the 1835 Tennessee Supreme Court case Tennessee v. Forman, the court ruled:

The principle declared in the fifteenth century as the law of Christendom that discovery gave title to assume sovereignty over, and to govern the unconverted natives of Africa, Asia, and North and South America, has been recognized as a part of the national law, for nearly four centuries.

The Doctrine of Discovery remains a major tenant of our legal system referred to by recent US Supreme Court Justices citing John Marshall’s Supreme Court Johnson v. M’Intosh decision in 1832. According to Chief Justice Marshall the United States, upon winning its independence in 1776, became a successor nation to the right of ‘discovery’ and acquired the power of dominion from Great Britain. Therefore all Native American land claims were null and void. As recently as 2005, Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg cited the Doctrine of Discovery in rejecting land-claims by the Oneidas, one of the six nations of the Haudenosaunee. Robert Miller, Native American professor of law, has written, “… The deed to almost all real estate in the United States originates from an Indian title that was acquired by the United States via Discovery principles.”

As Christians remodeled a theological edifice built on Jewish foundations, they adapted the concept of the Chosen People for themselves and claimed the Promised Land to be anywhere they settled, providing a convenient justification for the conquest and enslavement of other peoples.

By the end of the Middle Ages the word “crusade” had come to refer to all wars undertaken on God’s behalf. Crusading – God commanding Christians to wage pre-emptive war – became a controlling idea. Because people must be evil (controlled by the Devil) to oppose the will of God, the non-Christian enemy was always deemed intractable and had to be exterminated for the safety of the community. Any people judged barbarian, not living by civilized (i.e. Christian) standards, were subject to colonization for the same reasons. The white Christian man’s burden was to colonize in order to save every human being in the world.

Manifest destiny was the continuation of the Doctrine of Discovery adapted to the needs of 19th century US colonial aspirations.

With the opening of the Oregon Trail, the Mexican-American War, and the gold rush in California, much of the public’s attention was on western expansion.  Many white Americans were eager to take more land from Native Americans, establish new territories and states, and increase their economic and political power.  Popularized in 1845 by influential journalist John L. O’Sullivan, the term “Manifest Destiny” became a national rallying cry for proponents of further westward colonization.  It captured and consolidated longstanding concepts from the Crusades and the Papal-sanctioned colonization process such as holy war, divine sanction, chosen people, promised land, terra nullis, and the proselytizing and conversion of heathens. As originally used in the US, Manifest Destiny was the idea that God had given the United States a mission to expand their territory throughout North America.

Three basic ideas underlie the concept of manifest destiny. First is a belief in the righteousness and superiority of the Christian moral values and institutions of the United States. The second is a belief in the responsibility of the U.S. to spread these for the benefit of the world and to fulfill God’s wishes. The third is the faith that God has blessed the country to succeed and every success confirms that blessing.

The US Homestead Act of 1862 continued and quickened the long-term appropriation of indigenous land and its distribution to white Christian settlers. The Act, which continued in force until 1976, distributed 270,000,000 acres – about 10% of the land in the US. This Native American land was given for free, in 160-acre allotments, to any white person who built a house, fence, and well on the land and tilled at least 10 acres of it.

The term Manifest Destiny was revived in the 1890s as a justification for US international expansion. By the end of the 19th century, most white Christians in the US held the commonsense belief that their country had a mandate from God to spread Christianity not only over remaining Native American lands, but also anywhere in the world not already Christian-controlled. And most felt, in addition, those conquered would be better off because of US intervention. After the defeat of Spain, the US invaded Cuba, Puerto Rico, and the Philippines and claimed them as colonies under this worldview.

Fact is, the entire "legal basis" for all the "rule of law" (backed by rule of force/law of the jungle) in this empire is this "Doctrine of Discovery"...that was justified by some ancient, self-serving, Jewish comic book. 

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But "Jesus" said so (well, sort of)...so sounds legit, yo! :wacko:

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There's some real, outstanding grievances here - that have little to do with modern, WIRED, professional victimhood gripes.  Because these much deeper problems lie within the base WIRED culture itself - and most people withIN the forest - can't SEE the FOREST.

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5 hours ago, gendao said:

Yes, just ONE informal day (where no one actually gets killed) per year in reaction to...~600 years of actual global, aboriginal genocide, colonialist land theft, religious persecution, cruel & unusual punishment, broken treaties, wanton environmental destruction, and the Earth's 6th MASS EXTINCTION - is just such an unwarranted overreaction! :rolleyes:

 

 

Doesn't get tiring extolling the indigenous peoples  as paragons of virtue while obviously ignoring other indigenous peoples on the same continent who were not.  What about the other tribes that were killed off by other tribes or this never happens or happened.  Why did they align themselves with the newcomers "Europeans"  to kill off other tribes using their advanced tech...as happens only later to find themselves in same position.   

 

The post is about  "the importance of cultivating the quality of acceptance in relation to the diversity of 'spiritual' teachings and practices that abound in our world today. "

 

Which is not true probably was never true among most major religions which is why secular societies were formed to mitigate divine rule to rule by man, and later by law.   Cultures that have navigated this seem to have been more successful, as measured in quality, length, and ease of life.  "on large scales"  

 

As to "kill a haole  day"   no its not one day.  Its all days in a place that talks about the aloha spirit and yet never fails to remind others "whites" of the evils of the past and does so not as openly among the other different groups on the  island,,,with the org aboriginal peoples being at the top of the food chain.   It takes a while of living in a  place to get a good vibe,,,tourist and long term visitors sometimes make the mistake of not understanding the unwritten rules... 

 

My comments are in gen. along the same lines if one  understands this and is accepting one can avoid a lot of the monkey dances that sometimes happen among peoples who've not adapted to the modern times and can not go back to the old ones.

 

I do agree with OP in that on this site even with those that do not agree, there seems to be a more border acceptance and reasoned approach for differing view points.   Which makes the conversations quite interesting and informative in seeking the understanding of why some have such view points.   Not to change but question them in kind

 

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2 hours ago, windwalker said:

Doesn't get tiring extolling the indigenous peoples  as paragons of virtue while obviously ignoring other indigenous peoples on the same continent who were not.  What about the other tribes that were killed off by other tribes or this never happens or happened.  Why did they align themselves with the newcomers "Europeans"  to kill off other tribes using their advanced tech...as happens only later to find themselves in same position.   

 

The post is about  "the importance of cultivating the quality of acceptance in relation to the diversity of 'spiritual' teachings and practices that abound in our world today. "

 

Which is not true probably was never true among most major religions which is why secular societies were formed to mitigate divine rule to rule by man, and later by law.   Cultures that have navigated this seem to have been more successful, as measured in quality, length, and ease of life.  "on large scales"  

 

As to "kill a haole  day"   no its not one day.  Its all days in a place that talks about the aloha spirit and yet never fails to remind others "whites" of the evils of the past and does so not as openly among the other different groups on the  island,,,with the org aboriginal peoples being at the top of the food chain.   It takes a while of living in a  place to get a good vibe,,,tourist and long term visitors sometimes make the mistake of not understanding the unwritten rules... 

 

My comments are in gen. along the same lines if one  understands this and is accepting one can avoid a lot of the monkey dances that sometimes happen among peoples who've not adapted to the modern times and can not go back to the old ones.

 

I do agree with OP in that on this site even with those that do not agree, there seems to be a more border acceptance and reasoned approach for differing view points.   Which makes the conversations quite interesting and informative in seeking the understanding of why some have such view points.   Not to change but question them in kind

1)  It's all relative.  The aborigines lived naturally, harmoniously, and sustainably amongst themselves and others (INCLUDING plants & wildlife!!!) for tens of thousands of years.  Thousands of years - yet no landfills and no fences!  So, they had a far more holistic, inclusive, and less solely humancentric definition of "virtue."

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Pono generally translates to righteousness. According to actor Jason Scott Lee, who grew up in Hawaii, living pono means living “with a conscious decision to do the right thing in terms of self, others, and the environment.” The idea that moral character leads to happiness has been around since Aristotle, but few places incorporate the idea into everyday life as much as Hawaii. The importance of pono, or doing what is morally right and selfless, is even found in the state’s motto: “Ua Mau ke Ea o ka Aina i ka Pono,” or “The life of the land is perpetuated in righteousness.”

 

Aina means land. Life in Hawaii is lived outdoors — malls, homes, offices, and even the airport are built with open-air walkways, large windows, or lanais (balconies or patios) so you’re never fully indoors. Native Hawaiians see their identities and wellbeing entwined with the land, and so respecting it and living in it are of the utmost importance.

Meanwhile...notice that the Judeo-Christian Ten Commandments says NOTHING about respecting the land and all its other inhabitants (and in fact advocates the opposite, if anything)! 

And sure, there was some local aboriginal warfare and some later alliances with WIRED colonialists...but overall that all was just a drop in the bucket against the WIRED tsunami of megadeath.  Not just of aborigines, but of ALL native plants & wildlife too!  Exterminating common habitat (for ALL), the buffalo, clearcutting all the old-growth forests, etc! 

 

2)  The OP really needs to just cut & paste the text of that article, because it is hidden behind a paywall.  Hence, I was only commenting on some of your tangential comments...

 

3)  Well, I would put aboriginal peoples at the top of the food chain in terms of living the most sustainably and stewarding the Earth most responsibly, too.  I mean, those ideals are often engraved into the core principles of their cultures!

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18 minutes ago, gendao said:

1)  It's all relative.  The aborigines lived naturally, harmoniously, and sustainably amongst themselves and others (INCLUDING plants & wildlife!!!) for tens of thousands of years.  Thousands of years - yet no landfills and no fences!  So, they had a far more holistic, inclusive, and less solely humancentric definition of "virtue."

 

 

Really,  wow   

 

So please tell us who are the real aboriginals,  I mean did they come from mars or some other planet.   

 

Its not to late,  one still join them and live as they want. Of course not on "their land"  reservations and such, you can always do it on public land or better yet buy some land and live as one wants. 

 

the lived naturally...ok  lets see

 

"For thousands of years, Aboriginal Australians burned forests to promote grasslands for hunting and other purposes. Recent research suggests that these burning practices also affected the timing and intensity of the Australian summer monsoon."

 

I guess these must be some "other" aboriginals or maybe they'er not in the club anymore....harmoniously I could see that excpet

 

"Tribal territories and the slave trade ranged over present-day borders. Some Native American tribes held war captives as slaves prior to and during European colonization, "

 

guess the also must have been the "other"  aboriginals   

No worries I'm sure you probably have some  that  lived "harmoniously, and sustainably amongst themselves and others (INCLUDING plants & wildlife!!!) for tens of thousands of years."

 

Maybe they were the ones from mars or some other planet...would be good to know...

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1 hour ago, windwalker said:

Its not to late,  one still join them and live as they want. Of course not on "their land"  reservations and such, you can always do it on public land or better yet buy some land and live as one wants. 

 

"For thousands of years, Aboriginal Australians burned forests to promote grasslands for hunting and other purposes. Recent research suggests that these burning practices also affected the timing and intensity of the Australian summer monsoon."

 

I guess these must be some "other" aboriginals or maybe they'er not in the club anymore....harmoniously I could see that excpet

Lol, always trying to find exceptions to disprove the rules, because you can't disprove the rules...

 

But of course there is a spectrum here with aborigines on one end, and WIRED colonialists on the other.  For example, even burning down some trees to revert land to grassland - is still better than chopping all the trees down and paving everything over with dead concrete.  Thus, even your worst-case aboriginal example...is still better than your standard WIRED practice! :lol: I rest my case, your Honor!

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And sure, some of each group may also be closer to their end than others.  And a few might even be transposed...  But even so, these overall generalities still hold true. 

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And you're living where?

 

Sounds like ya might want live as you talk, not just talk.

 

always find it amusing as those who talk the talk always seem 

to live  and use the technology, among the cultures they constantly talk about but never the way they talk of....

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