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[DDJ Meaning] Chapter 23

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23 
Abstaining from speech marks him who is obeying the spontaneity 
of his nature. A violent wind does not last for a whole morning; a 
sudden rain does not last for the whole day. To whom is it that these 
(two) things are owing? To Heaven and Earth. If Heaven and Earth 
cannot make such (spasmodic) actings last long, how much less can man!

Therefore when one is making the Tao his business, those who are 
also pursuing it, agree with him in it, and those who are making the 
manifestation of its course their object agree with him in that; while 
even those who are failing in both these things agree with him where 
they fail.

Hence, those with whom he agrees as to the Tao have the happiness 
of attaining to it; those with whom he agrees as to its manifestation 
have the happiness of attaining to it; and those with whom he agrees 
in their failure have also the happiness of attaining (to the Tao). 
(But) when there is not faith sufficient (on his part), a want of 
faith (in him) ensues (on the part of the others). 

 

Lau 

 

23 
To use words but rarely 
Is to be natural.

Hence a gusty wind cannot last all morning, and a sudden downpour cannot last all day. 
Who is it that produces these? Heaven and earth. 
If even heaven and earth cannot go on forever, much less can man. 
That is why one follows the way.

A man of the way conforms to the way; 
A man of virtue conforms to virtue; 
A man of loss conforms to loss. 
He who conforms to the way is gladly accepted by the way; 
He who conforms to virtue is gladly accepted by virtue; 
He who conforms to loss is gladly accepted by loss.

When there is not enough faith, there is lack of good faith. 


Feng/English

 

23
To talk little is natural. 
High winds do not last all morning. 
Heavy rain does not last all day. 
Why is this? Heaven and Earth! 
If heaven and Earth cannot make things eternal, 
How is it possible for man?

He who follows the Tao 
Is at one with the Tao. 
He who is virtuous 
Experiences Virtue. 
He who loses the way 
Is lost. 
When you are at one with the Tao, 
The Tao welcomes you. 
When you are at one with Virtue, 
The Virtue is always there. 
When you are at one with loss, 
The loss is experienced willingly.

He who does not trust enough 
Will not be trusted.

 
Jonathan Star

 

23
Speak little
Hold to your own nature
A strong wind does not blow all morning
A cloudburst does not last all day
The wind and the rain are form Heaven and Earth and even these do not last long
How much less so the efforts of man?
One who lives in accordance with the Truth becomes an embodiment of Tao
His actions become those of Nature his ways those of Heaven
It is through such a one that Heaven rejoices that Earth rejoices that all of life rejoices


Flowing Hands

 

23
In Nature nothing is eternal. 
High winds do not last all morning, heavy rain does not last all day. 
So why should man be forever talking. 
In silence, the mind and heart are set at peace. This is natural.  
Heaven is eternal and so is the Earth, by reproducing its own kind each generation.  
Man can never make things eternal,  he will only just ruin things by interfering.  
He who follows the Dao, is at one with the Dao. 
He who is virtuous, is at one with virtue. He who loses the way, feels lost.  
When you are at one with the Dao, the Dao welcomes you. 
When you are at one with virtue, virtue is always there in your heart.  
When you are at one with loss, loss is experienced willingly. 
 
 

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Well, I missed out on the "rarely speak" concept.

 

But I think I have done pretty well with the rest of the chapter's concept.

 

When you are at one with the processes, ...

 

 

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Some thoughts on chapter 23...

 

To quiet your mind is natural with the Dao.

As an example, high winds naturally calm, and heavy rains stop,

and the active mind with lots of talking should be like that.
While heaven and earth are seen to be eternal, the things that they create are not.

So how then is it possible for man to be like heaven and earth?

He must follow the Dao, and become one with the Tao (like heaven and earth).
He who follow the Dao is filled with energy/light. Those who do not, lose their way.
We are what we experience, so it is best to experience the Dao.
Experincing the Dao, is like the complete trust of a young child with a parent going on a trip.

No fear, just the fun of exploration and new sights as you hold your parents hand...

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Interesting note in Lau's book is the word "loss" seems to not make much sense. I see Feng uses the word too. I think it can make perfect sense though. Surely the 2nd half of this chapter is merely saying that we will end up in whichever place we put ourselves?

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On 5/11/2020 at 5:17 AM, Rara said:

Interesting note in Lau's book is the word "loss" seems to not make much sense. I see Feng uses the word too. I think it can make perfect sense though. Surely the 2nd half of this chapter is merely saying that we will end up in whichever place we put ourselves?

 

失: Loss, mistake, neglect, miss, fail

 

It is an interesting set of sentences that are essentially in parallel meaning, such as:

失-者-同-於-失

loss-person-same-ah! (alas)-loss

There may be some leeway for a meaning of 'cautious' (cautious person) but maybe less so here. 

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19 hours ago, dawei said:

 

It is an interesting set of sentences that are essentially in parallel meaning, such as:

失-者-同-於-失

loss-person-same-ah! (alas)-loss

 

 

Sorry, just trying to make sense. Is that a direct translation of that particular line? 

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3 hours ago, Rara said:

 

Sorry, just trying to make sense. Is that a direct translation of that particular line? 

 

Word for word.

 

For a translation, then use Lau as a comparison:

 

失-者-同-於-失

loss-person-same-ah! (alas)-loss

 

A man of loss conforms to loss -- Lau

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20 hours ago, dawei said:

 

Word for word.

 

For a translation, then use Lau as a comparison:

 

失-者-同-於-失

loss-person-same-ah! (alas)-loss

 

A man of loss conforms to loss -- Lau

 

I can't put into words how extremely useful this post is for my return to the whole book (and this study for that matter)

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