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Yogiraj SatGurunath Siddhanath

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Anatta is what Vedanta refers to as jiva. It is not the True Self. The practice is very simple. Ask yourself "who am I?" And then use your mind to trace back to the source from where both the question and the answer arise.

I don't trust vedanta: it looks like a fake spirituality based on philosophical talks.

Gurus use to minutely describe what you're about to find in your spiritual quest, thus preventing you from discovering entirely different truths.

 

In fact, this is pretty much the Hua t'ou meditation practice of Ch'an buddhism. The only difference being that in Buddhism, you rely on the question to develop a strong feeling of doubt and settle the mind in that. It's not used to discover a self by mean of reflective thinking, but to stop the mind and prepare oneself to experience reality as it is.

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Is your Kriya yoga blessed/empowered by a satguru or another advanced being? That's a big part of it being successful.

Let's define "advanced" as one who is good enough to make money from that. Then I reply yes.

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Thus to me having an agnostic like approach to certain matters has value and may end up giving results beyond doubt, beliefs or non-beliefs that we may have (previously) set in stone.

This isn't hard to believe: it seems that nowadays people get results from almost anything, from Rael the E.T.'s prophet to the russian reincarnation of Jesus Christ.

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To Pilgrim and Cat,



In regard to Gurunath's Kriya

I have been as skeptical as the next skeptic. I have been as skeptical as you, likely. Do I care about that trait? Not really, it is utterly unimpressive. It is not hard to see that it seems people can get results from almost anything, and so that fact should make us quite suspicious. The scientific community often tests medicines against placebo, of course there is more reasoning. Again, I have seen the movie Kumare. Look it up, then you will realize why I am name dropping that. It is very relevant. I have heard much about how many frauds there are.  Even IF just 1% of the alleged frauds were frauds, it would be shocking. I don't blame you for being suspicious in a world of many frauds, as I am just sure there are. But sometimes someone or something does come along that is genuine, and you have to have less ego blocks to realize when that comes along and to not fight against it.

 

Yes people can get some results from fraudulent things. Kriya yoga is so powerful that it can be seen as well beyond that field.

 

Sometimes our consciousnesses/lives really do cross paths with a genuine spiritual practice. For me kriya yoga has been exposed as a very advanced practice. It really is the lightning path, I've seen. It is called the lighting path cause of its nature. Voltage, nervous system, the powerfulness, the speed, etc.  To get beyond the subconscious to get to the soul. I was as skeptical of it as the next person, how could something like kriya be legitimate? Honestly kriya yoga sounds &^%$ing ridiculously fraudulent to me. It sounds so fraudulent to my logical mind.  But despite that I was guided to it, my heart sees what my brain fails to accept. Nothing can be said to someone caught up in belief and disbelief to change their minds cause they are in a place of rigidity. The brain is an organ that just is not capable of addressing kriya yoga. If you are interested in truly seeing it, consider if moving into your heart would assist in seeing if it is genuine or not. Kriya yoga has been intensely more powerful than the category you are describing where "nowadays people get results from almost anything".  I've extensively tried different techniques that are all over the scale of being successful or not. Kriya yoga breaks through what I thought was possible on that scale, it surpasses. But of course I enjoy other genuine practices and get results from other genuine practices. I've experienced and witnessed what you are referring to (nowadays...etc) and kriya yoga is not that. My brain cannot address kriya yoga, but it sees proof/evidence. I am still surprised still about how intensely powerful kriya yoga is, and I have been experiencing kriya yoga for months. You haven't even done his kriya, and even if you did you would have to be patient. That's just ignorant. So I am not even saying this for you, I am saying it for other people that might be skeptical too and follow your bad suggestions

 

 

I do not want to describe "advanced" like you did. I am discussing genuinely advanced satgurus and genuinely advanced others (spiritually). I was discussing how to experience the lightning path, it is necessary you must be empowered by a genuine satguru. 
Then you basically said it is possible that you have not been empowered under a real satguru which means you have no genuine sight of kriya yoga.


 

Sometimes humility should take the place of arrogance, and we should soften our heart/mind (in my opinion).

 

In regard to Gurunath

I tend to be quiet about what I experience. I do not even like to share what I experience to those close to me, even close to me in spiritually adventuring.
 I will attest to four impersonal experiences in that other people have experienced it too. It is really public.


1) One thing that shows me he is a genuine satguru is that my kundalini kriya yoga really is empowered. My life/consciousness/karma/etc makes that very visible. It is hard to put into words, so I am not really trying to.

2)He transmitted his soul consciousness and I witnessed a glimpse of his witnessing. WOW, is all I will say. Again, hard to put into words so I am not going to try.


3)One thing that shows he is at least a siddhi is that I personally experienced him breathing through my breath (intensely). It was obvious that happened, but again it is hard to describe.


4)One thing that shows he has siddhis is that I personally experienced his shivapat changing of the faces.


 

Actually I will vaguely describe one personal experience.
1) I was doing his omkar kriya, and the shaktipat allowed me to glimpse immortal self within. More occurred during that time and words will fail. But an example of other things I experienced was glimpsing the astral chakras and what they really are.

 


Of course there is much much much much much more that has occurred through him and I. I am being purposefully vague.  If you naturally want to argue against this, just know that is my reasoning for not saying more. Your arbitrary, doubting brain will mechanically continue on doubting no matter what because it is below the level of real thinking. And I am not under a pretense I can silence such a poor faculty in someone else and help them transition to a higher state of thinking.  I am not advanced. This is for other people who are curious about him. And if you are one of them just know I am leaving stuff out.

 

Why would I cast what is sacred to myself to such a crude level?

So I am being very vague, believe it or not.
 I do not feel motivated to share any more about my direct experiences with him.

 

Anyway, he has apparently shared he is not taking any new students (people have allegedly been his students through past lives). So if you are not in resonance with him that could be very meaningful/purposeful. He is advanced enough to put a veil over himself so people that are not supposed to arrive to his satsangs and kriya empowerments won't. That is a siddha, It really is. Satgurus have considered it very necessary to magnetize certain people away from themselves and to themselves. And I am sure is very easy for him. For them, that is like as easy as moving your body is for you.

 

 

I see genuine awakening simply as being really sobering from delusion/mental illness.

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I don't trust vedanta: it looks like a fake spirituality based on philosophical talks.

Gurus use to minutely describe what you're about to find in your spiritual quest, thus preventing you from discovering entirely different truths.

 

In fact, this is pretty much the Hua t'ou meditation practice of Ch'an buddhism. The only difference being that in Buddhism, you rely on the question to develop a strong feeling of doubt and settle the mind in that. It's not used to discover a self by mean of reflective thinking, but to stop the mind and prepare oneself to experience reality as it is.

 

CC,

 

You are free to believe what you want. Those of us who live the teachings of Vedanta don't need your seal of approval ;)

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it seems some people want to impose their ignorance/limits on such subjects as if their ignorance/limits really do define/represent such subjects

Newsflash the ignorance is just that, ignorance

and it will never be able to have a clear sight about any subject

It is ignorant!

 

often such subjects are vaster than people currently realize

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Thank you for sharing what you felt comfortable with, the vagueness speaks volumes you have a legitimate practice, it is obvious, and I am pleased to receive real testimony concerning your gurudev.

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Thank you for being accepting pilgrim. And not being harsh to me.

I'm sorry if I came across bad in ways. I'm not a great writer, but it's all in the spirit of not caring about offending someone's pride.

But still I care.

Idk just sorry if I came off badly.

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I just see pride as a big block

So not something to respect in anyone including myself

Arrogance is such a stumbling block for me

Arrogance comes before the crash

I've felt crashed for awhile haha :(

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CC,

 

You are free to believe what you want. Those of us who live the teachings of Vedanta don't need your seal of approval ;)

Fortunately, I am.

And in all honesty, I would be surprised to the highest degree if I could really make a vedantin philosopher reflect on those points just by typing a short post.

 

BTW, this branch of the thread originally came from a vedantin that introduced the concept of Atman, pretending it was an absolute, self-evident, trascendent reality in the first place.

So, who's trying to put seals and definitions?

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it seems some people want to impose their ignorance/limits on such subjects as if their ignorance/limits really do define/represent such subjects

Newsflash the ignorance is just that, ignorance

and it will never be able to have a clear sight about any subject

 

Ok, let's try to put our feet on a common ground to summarize your points and see if we can manage to agree on a single post.

 

1) Yogiraj is a powerful Himalayan Master who is channeling an immortal yogi named Babaji. I don't believe that, therefore I'm ignorant.

 

2) Kriya yoga techniques work on the nervous system and they give strong sensations and bizarre experiences. You received a slightly modified version from him that gives you strong sensations and bizarre experiences, therefore he's a real guru. And BTW, I'm ignorant for some reason related to that.

 

3) If there are people who aren't as ignorant as me, and still they think that he's a fraud. ... it's because of their karmic imprints that they cannot recognize the truth which you're blessed to witness.

 

4) You've seen the movie Kumare, therefore you're spirituality immune to frauds from India.

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Go ahead and pretend your analysis of what I said is accurate. But anyone with basic reading and reasoning skills will be able to see it's not if they choose to read my posts.

 

Even if I've been coming across badly in ways, that doesn't take away from much of what I've

 

You're distorting what I said into what it's not

Why even do that?

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Thank you for being accepting pilgrim. And not being harsh to me.

I'm sorry if I came across bad in ways. I'm not a great writer, but it's all in the spirit of not caring about offending someone's pride.

But still I care.

Idk just sorry if I came off badly.

It's Okay Mystery the words I wrote could have been less inflammatory as well. Apologies.

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Fortunately, I am.

And in all honesty, I would be surprised to the highest degree if I could really make a vedantin philosopher reflect on those points just by typing a short post.

 

BTW, this branch of the thread originally came from a vedantin that introduced the concept of Atman, pretending it was an absolute, self-evident, trascendent reality in the first place.

So, who's trying to put seals and definitions?

 

Been there...done that! It is for each of us to realize in our own way, and when the time is right, my friend :)

 

It's best to keep following things in mind (given that you are a proponent of Buddha dharma and Dao) - give up the tendency to hold on to positions. Holding on to positions causes pain and suffering. Being free of positions is freedom. 

 

So it doesn't matter if there is Atman or Anatta. Don't latch on to either. Just be...and be free.

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Gurunath is not a fake guru.

 

From what I heard from him, he has learnt under Swami Satyananda Giri and Swami Paramahansa Hariharananda Giri (both from Karar Ashram, disciples of Sri Yukteswar), also has learnt from Satya Charan Lahiri (grandson of Lahiri Mahasaya) and Shivabalayogi. Also as it is widely known, he says he has also learnt under the guidance of Shiv-Goraksha Babaji (Mahavatar Babaji from AOY), learnt directly under him, NOT as a channel-kind-of-thing as it is being written here.

 

His Kriya is a bit more on the agressive side than Classic Lahiri Family Kriya(more breath-retentions and bandhas, which means more prana/kundalini):

There are some slight changes on Kriya Pranayama, Navi Kriya and the Paravashta phase at the end (concentration). The rest is pretty much the same.

He also gives 2nd Kriya (Thokkar) as far as I heard, but very very rarely, basically only if you visit him for some time on his Ashram in India, and show that you are trully commited (practicing for hours and hours a day for years) plus having achieved Kechari Mudra and being stable on Vajra Nadi while doing Kriya Pranayama.

 

If you want to get initiated by him, that's great, he will definitely give a hugeeee boost on your practice and motivation, it will surely be an amazing experience.

But.. on the other hand, if you are considering being initiated by one of his "teachers", then better forget it and go pratice Ennio Nimis' Kriya online or AYP (add Maha Mudra before Pranayama, it will reduce 50% of the overloads, and if you still have them, perhaps focus Deep meditation mantra on the brow or solar center, it should reduce all the symptons of overload, which are mainly caused due to the non-focus-on-a-specific-part style of the mantra meditation I believe.)

 

The Cons are it's very expensive to go to his initiation, but I heard the money is exclusively for travel expenses/improve the ashram/feed the children that go there.

 

Gurunath is very serious about Kriya Yoga, but you can't consider yourself a serious student of him unless you are, at least, practicing 144 Kriya Pranayamas per day. He is very liberal in themes like food, sex, lifestyle, etc (as long as you practice every day).. but on the other side he is a bit heavy on the indian-cultural side of things related to India is the best, all the best Masters in history are from India, Jesus came to India to learn from a Nath Master, Buddha was a Yogi, Daoism came from India, etc.. all the rest of the world should thank us, go india india india! I think it's a bit over the top, but it's ok, indeed India has brought amazing things to the world.

 

According to the time it will take to get proper results from this Kriya (nirvikalpa samadhi), it will take some time. If you check some of his videos he says you should look into decades..

Gurunath says he has practiced around 12h per day for decades. This will put things in perspective...

 

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