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@steve 

2 hours ago, steve said:

When one is resting in a state of unconditioned awareness, the decision maker is not active.

Thoughts, feelings, and ideas may come and go but they don't linger and they don't guide activity or decision making.

Once the decision maker enters, the experience is no longer unconditioned.

I get that in meditation   -    but i wonder how it works in daily life  -  not that i need someone to expirence it for me  but just in the theorietical level  to know what does guide the guide activity or decision making
 

 @wstein   I am asking about the decision making aspect of things   ,   as in why would one " explicit drive to see one "    ?

@C T  wrote another reply on this but earsed it and wrote this -   cause i really think its best we end this here and save us both time and a headache  and maybe this thread will continue its course about the original question

On 5/12/2020 at 6:21 PM, virtue said:

Finally 100% happy and accepting. Totally okay with everything.

 

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Totally okay.

Earl grey is trolling my posts cross threads  (i delete a few even)  i think it derails the thread and prevents some good answeres to be written     -  and that might be some contributing factor why your reply  (and your likes and laughing symbol to posts like for example the post above)       was frustrating to me and out of my expectation  -  but there are much more reasons   - but i dont think i can explain it well written  on the internet (as opposed to with voice  face to face)

never meant what you wrote is bullshit CT  i think you understand that  -  but i still didnt like your reply  and find it rude especially since i did have high expectations from you based on some good replies you made in the past and finding it a shame i wont be able to read your comments unbiased in the future

I am frustrated i guess by the fact that people here are not  - extremly advanced mind readers who can 100%  get what i am trying to convey ........     especially when its  something that to me seems more basic to get (Even though my posts are not that clear)   like  im not claiming to be enlightened but im asking a question  ..  i dont need to be  "exposed"  and no need for posts like "virtue"  posted above  ...  also someone who claims to be enlightened does not ask questions about it ...  

The issue is that even the head ache of trying to explain myself here seems such an effort waste  -  not only i am derailing the thread myself and also really dont enjoy this kind of conversation above that :    i could never really explain myself well -  its hard enough to ask questions and explain to them  but to argue about past events is even more hard to clarify cause there are just a ton of variables     and even now here trying to explain myself  -  i just wrote more stuff that people would be against and dont understand why i think them    (for instance its not just cause im annoyed by earl grey there are more reasons that i didnt write still (and probably wont) - and its not just a matter of high expectations - and not just frustration from derailing of the thread   - etc    ) 

 

6 minutes ago, wstein said:

I *think* this is part of non-doing, but I could be wrong as I didn't learn it from a person or internet.

 

When you are fully expressing your inner nature (inner divine) action happens around you. This may include your body or mind as they are not you, just a place you inhabit. Action spontaneously occurs when your inner nature is in alignment with your environment in a way that is it appropriate for you to act.

 

As a way to make this more tangible, what happens if you come upon a beautiful sunset or a loved one? Do you smile? Notice that you smile because of the alignment of how you align with the environment around you. There is no need to want to smile, nor any need to decide to smile. It just happens. When one is fully realized, there is only alignment and everything is a way you would have it be without any need to fix, change, improve, alter, force, overpower anything. The alignment flows freely form you and reality is thus as you would have it.

 

The biggest hurdle towards this end is to remove all the blocks that prevent you inner nature from shining forth.

 

Also should you move towards something that is not as you would have it be that way, it will be a way you would have it by the time you arrive there. It comes into alignment with you.

 

I know you are wondering how all that is possible. The answer is that this universe is a co-creation in which you are a participant creator. You are continuously creating all that is around you. When there is no obstruction blocking your inner divine from expressing fully into the universe, you always create something in alignment with your inner nature.

Wow   , what a reply

-    so with your example   :  i get i can enjoy it when its there but   would i go to see the sunset ?      take my car and drive to the sea to enjoy the sunset ? 



(about co creation i heared about that that and lean towards that  strongly and might have seen semi evidence its real )

@liminal_luke 

to make it clearer im talking about happiness from meditation practice  from accepting all that comes in life  -  100% happiness 

so in that case of a truly happy person   and enlightened being  -  im asking  why is he doing what he does  - why is he active

 

 @steve  

do you see other reasons for action in that state other than not dying and helping others ? 

@小梦想     do you have any thoughts about zhineng qigong  (especially about how they go about developing the channels and the dantian) ?

@ralisInteresting comment ralis , very interesting  - do you think if someone just meditates (as in buddhist meditation) he will be able to emit qi  -  manybe not necassry from his lower dan tian  - maybe from another body part (the heart , the head ,all the body  )  ?

 

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Given the interaction here, I would suggest you don't seem 100% happy and accepting to present moment

Never was happy in the first place  and now thanks to some replies here   ...  i am much less than what i was 

the question is "if i am "  not  "i am"
 

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If i am 100%  fully  content with the peresent moment accepting whatever is .........  why would i do anything ? 

its a question  (a very very common one in buddhist forums btw  - asked again and again in different variations)  many ask it for the theoretical discussion it makes but i ask it to draw conclusions for my life and how to direct  it , since i am planing to up my practice intensity (which is very low atm - which makes me even more sensitive to trolls and rudeness)  -   but again to explain it will be hard for mea  especially when all the trolling going on which just makes me be more defensive and seems like many are looking for some fault so they can neat pick over it especially in threads it seems people are just going with the herd so once some troll like eaerl  diverts the subject  than things go down very fast

about your questions seem ok and in line but i dont think this thread is a place to continue serious discussion at the moment    - so im out

@C T i edited this before seeing you comment  - but maybe you replied before seeing my edit  -  i do think it was rude of you  and out of place     - but i wrote  im not good with words  or at least to lazy to explain myself with them  especially on arguments    - so to explain why its out of place is something i cant do well now so i wont

4 minutes ago, C T said:

what is so bs about replying to someone that I often engage with here? 

what earl grey wrote is bullshit ... 

 

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what he wrote is pure bullshit

 


about the reply its not about time of reply  - i would get completly if you didnt responf at all - but after earls comment and considering it all i just dont think that was in place   ...  but fine lets all do our thing   

@C T      you asked me questions  , than instead of following it up you just respond to earl greys  trolling  ( i try to ignore him as much as i can)  - what he wrote is pure bullshit

 

no need for names  -  i just wonder if someone who advances in the buddhist path  expirences jing and qi   - and gets to the same level in dealing with them like someone going thorugh the daoist path

IS someone elightned  - lets say a buddhist monk  who is a buddhist monk for 60 years already  -   and is in a genuine path and has an actual enlightened teacher  and he is truly enlightened 

would he feel qi ?  see auras ?  see chakras ?  would he be healthy in his body ?   could he heal himself and others ?        or this stuff are just from the daoist,neigong path ?

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  Are you in the position to meditate all day long? 

 
Yes

 

18 minutes ago, C T said:

What does 'meditation' mean to you? 

sitting being aware of whatever arises  

 

18 minutes ago, C T said:

As for the rest of the questions you seem to struggle with, Im not sure if you're being serious.

 
i am always serious  -  if you mean the last question set  -  they are "dumbed"down a bit  but there is serious reason i ask them  and the replies to them and the reason for the reply will be taking VERY seriously   -  its hard for me to put into words exactly what i want to ask but if you give a good reply than i take it  and not only as an answer to what i ask but also in general  

but they are a ton of questions which will need time to reply to   -   they are just examples  (Example questions)  that can be nice to be answered but just examples of the question they are trying to make clearer  which is  :
 

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i want to know what decisions to make in life and know they are good choices 

or clearer  :    How do i know what decisions to make ?             (and more clear im aiming for the direction of answers in the line of  : "follow your  intution / higher self etc" )
 

@C T  

maybe just meditating all day long  -  not helping others -  not doing anything for "fun"  no neigong training etc

i want to know what decisions to make in life and know they are good choices    - examples of decisions :

should i go buy junk food and watch netflix alone eating junk food ?        or should i eat one healthy meal a day and thats it ?  should i meditate all day long  or just an hour every day or just 10 minutes everyday ? when is it too much that i will stop after a week and where its too little that i will fill unmotivated to do it cause of little "results" ?     should i follow neigong ?  maybe for me its a waste of time and i should just meditate till i reach a stage where i dont care if i have a dantian or not ? 

 

19 minutes ago, freeform said:

The strength of Daoism is that it's incredibly empirical. Every permanent change in consciousness has a direct physiological change in the person.

what is the first change you can obesreve ?  

would love to find some difference in me to know for sure im not in point 0  of practice 

Talking about meditation and enlightenment  and thous stuff    ...  not drugs or lobotomy or medication
 

10 minutes ago, Nungali said:

Personally, I find it 'theoretical' to be both  perfectly happy and being bored , and being happy with being bored

yep fine  that works as well  ....      so im (talking about the theoretical future here not present moment of course - as in my orignial question)  perfectly happy to sit in the chair  and thats it


 

2 hours ago, wstein said:

Because it is in alignment with your (inner) nature to act. Strictly speaking this is not 'doing' but still is action of your mind and body. This 'non-doing' just occurs spontaneously and is not caused (nor inhibited) by your intent or choice.

@wstein    can  you expand a bit on this point please

also is there a name for this (so i can google search on it) ?

1 hour ago, Nungali said:

Out of boredom ?  ......   "Stir the pond' a bit  .

but what if i accept boredom ?  i am happy with it  ?    (meaning i reached a level i accept boredom)

4 hours ago, C T said:

If you don't do anything, what is there to accept and/or reject? 

if i just lay there   (and lets assume i wont die )        than  i will have  heat    and cold    and thoughts   and pain   and itches and boredom and sounds etc 

If i am 100%  fully  content with the peresent moment accepting whatever is .........  why would i do anything ? 

" — using the mind " buddhim  ?    ..... " The other is the path of energy "  -  qigong neigong ? ...   and what is the path of the body ?

(of course i know this are all mixed and not purely mind or energy or body )  

2 hours ago, dwai said:

There are 3 categories of paths by following which one can create the conditions conducive to liberation/enlightenment  (if that is your goal). 

what are the 3 categories ?