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The translation is horrendous

well the meaning is translated right ... but i still find it horrendous

Sorry @thelerner,

some things just are right and others are not, you are right, that big farms lead to a faster spread and new diseases. Also it needs to be studied, but not the way it was done by the scientists in Wuhan.
If you Follow the publications of shi zhengly (bat lady),  they begin fairly mild, she searches for coronaviruses in the population of china and in foodmarkets (like the one in wuhan) and correlates them to animals, and where they most likely originated from. 
Also She did warn about some strains of Viruses that can become inflammatory for the lungs  (use google.scholar that helps). And in this context the science is needed, but what is not needed and what has been done is venturing to places where very few humans ever have gone to find bats with new strains and see what these strains can do. its practically doing what columbus did unintentionally, just in full knowledge what it could lead to.

Were you are wrong is the risk for our food source. 

Our biggest Risk for the foodsource are we ourselves, we want cheap food and best in massive amounts, so corporates cut down on anything.

If our food is produced in a reasonable way and the animals used for food are healthy, then the problems we face now are minimized to a manageable degree, so there would be no need to research viruses in animal farms.

But how is reality, Animals have barely the place to stand and eat at the place they fecate in... do you eat in your toilet? 

Everything else is dictated by logic

Germany here: 
- Infection rate below 1 which is good
 

And here it gets weird, at the beginning it was said we need the rate below 10 to lift lockdown, so that healthcare can manage it ... today we are at approx 0.75 and there are no talks about lockdown being lifted or partially lifted, at least some shops and the playground are to be opened again

Has any one of you even remotely looked at the creation date of the thread?? ... js

On 8.4.2020 at 4:25 AM, bax44 said:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/coronavirus-lockdown-surveillance-tracking-dictatorship-authoritarian-united-nations-privacy-a9438561.html?utm_source=reddit.com

The independent .... yay and they cite reddit ... 

i will give you guys one hint and the title of a documentary ...sadly you need to know German 

swine flu  (Profiteure der Angst)

Did somebody call for insanity? ... 

Well never mind, i just take this barrel of popcorn and read on your banterings ... yeah Quarantena

... no Srsly ... TDB at the moment reeks of boredom ...

"the world is so interesting and full of wonder, and what did humanity ?... invent boredom"  

I just throw that in, and the one that guesses the author has my eternal respect (its not word to word cited)

I find it unsettling how everyone Talks about vaccines, and that there ones are being developed, but at the same new mutation vectors are induced as it all is tested in animals before.

Gonna drive home soon and the radio will blast:

21 minutes ago, rideforever said:

Article about vaccines for Coronaviruses (they may provide only short term immunity - which could mean wavs of repeat infections if you try to flatten the curve?):
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-00798-8

Yay nature.com ... normally i see that site only from anon linked at facebook, and most of the free written articles are trash ...

But still that one is passable, as it has key points ...

1. there is no vaccine for corona type Virus

2. there is nothing else

As i said somewhere before, its hard as fuck to find some Viable attack point for a Test for Covid at all, and even harder to find a Vaccine

That Virus is known for around 4 Months now... we have normal infectious illnesses that are quite well researched where no vaccine is found up today.

But there is one point in that article that is quite interesting: They tested it on monkeys ... yay second vector ... possible mutation ... and here we have the Problem, why a Vaccine is nearly impossible, every single person thats spreads it may promt a mutation, so that any found Vaccine and or developed immunity will get weakened or unusable

Wait ... what did i want to say??

Anyways as i have a little knowledge in this field feel free to ask me some things

Edit: Fun Fact: Most Vaccines that dont lead to immunity are equine antibodys ... so to say they infect a horse and extract the antibodies to inject them for vaccination

2 hours ago, thelerner said:

I won't disagree, but the strategy here is to slow down the 'slope' of the bell curve.  So hospitals get less overwhelmed.  This virus may be like an ocean surge against a dike, but making the dike a little higher and plugging some holes gives people (hospitals) time to prepare for the deluge.  In this case it means spreading it out so more hospital beds and preparations can be created.  Shared solutions can be thought of, seeing what works other places.  With a little time, effort, money and creativity we can expand the number of beds. 

So i will only speak of Germany here, as i cannot comment on other countries:

It will not work here, because:

1. the last 12 Years that i work now in the medical field (Oo never knew its been that long now) nothing was done to get hospitals hospitable 

2. Hospitals are completely understaffed, atm 1 nurse goes per around 10 patients ... ok 3 in ITC (also physicians have to take sometimes amphetamins to stay awake)

3. Things that could slow down the curve have been done approx. 30 days too late (they are in effect as of today)

4. Youngsters are egoistic and go out even thought they are not supposed to, they meet up to so called "Corona Party´s"

5. People have next to no knowledge what they are supposed to do, and why that is

6. Most information sources are to pay for, and most people wont use them

7. Technical equipment rather gets sold to other countries instead of being used here (source ... i develop them)

8. most physician have specialisatiion in ways that make money (cardiology, radiology etc.) but wont help people

9. most people are egoistic dimwits ... i saw People buy a whole cart full of toilet paper without any reason at all, only to buy as much as possible ..

that list can be furthered nearly infinitely

Only seeiing what i can see for Germany i am on rides side, let it be over, since all politicians are yeah dimwits with no knowledge in what they do. looking at our parliament its like giving a group of blind and deaf people a flying licence for passenger planes and setting them on the steering on a fully loaded one.

11 minutes ago, rideforever said:

That's not correct ; why is the flu shot recommended each year ... because it wears off.

Flattening the curve will result in long term immune damage as you are infected multiple times.

Furthermore if we have live infections coming in waves for 3+ years it will give the virus time to morph into new strains.   This is exaclty what causes super bugs mrsa etc.. ... it is the long term interference with natural mecanisms.

Hopefully science is gonna save us !!! Haleluja !

Ahem ... no ?

Flu shot is recommended because flu mutates fast enough, that you have around 4 to 6 new different strains every year. 

If you speak about immunity wearing off, you have more or less to talk in 10 Year timespans, the only problem is the kind of vaccine, as there are ones which build up something like perpetual immunity and these that give short term immunity. The problem with the perpetual ones is, that you actually have to get infected...

also mrsa has nothing to do with vaccines ....

Anyways, what started as a good point from you is starting to deteroriate 

You know, the sad thing is purely from the medical POV @rideforever is right. 

Also as mentioned before, the Lockdown as it is intended would only begin to show signs of working in around 14 Days, so you can at least expect exponential growth for the next 14 days.

58 minutes ago, Apech said:

'm hoping this is a parody.

Hmm,

and why is that so?

If i look at Germany ... sadly it looks like he writes the truth ... as the health system is so broken, that it hardly can cope with the normal occuring sicknesses, not to speak with something on pandemic level. And sadly or Politicians are total jackasses that don´t know anything about what they do, seeing as our health ministrys head is an idiot that has no competence in this regard as he learned at a bank.

As for toilet paper ... luckily i have a sink directly beside the toilet.

And looking at Taiwan @rideforever has some point, as they learned with SARS and now are putting it to practice, and they are besides Japan the countries that afaik coped best with the Virus up to date.

a thought on the title:

why should gvnmt hate enlightened people? 

I mean truly enlightened ones mostly likely don´t care for the mundane

Just a grain of salt ... @Heartbreak if you really were unto the true dark forces ... do you think they would let you roam free?

... wait ... if i were one i would do this ... but i would give you a weapon and a list of potential dark sorcerers ...

hmm how do you correlate to blades?

as for the list ... anyone else some ideas?... my name can be put on it but somewhere on the end pls i like to be the last

sarcasm off:

Pls look into the story with the little girl that cried wolf... 

and as far as going for spiritual practice lineage plays a big role ... but even tough Earls reading concerning self initiation is somehow conclusive, as the question itself is open for interpretation, i believe there is a way, but it has to be paved with patience, step by step. Not following the instructions of books, but using them as reference for self contemplation. 

Then again im not seeing myself as initiated or self initiated, but as a seeker of a viable path. 

A wooden hut build on muddy ground will fall for sure

6 minutes ago, Earl Grey said:

In the words of a wise man, wrong, right, I will call a fool a fool and tell him that every time I see him when I am shaving each morning.

And thus you are making someone the fool ... someone once said, "people tend to become what others or they themselves call them", and thats why i try not to shave

ANyways there was no offense meant, i was just stating what i watched  

i Mean im an obnoxious "not knower" as well, as i jumped onto the bandwagon and commented on it

11 hours ago, Earl Grey said:

81. THE SHEWING-FORTH OF SIMPLICITY
True speech is not elegant; elaborate speech is not truth. Those who
know do not argue; the argumentative are without knowledge. Those who
have assimilated are not learned; those who are gross with learning have
not assimilated.

The Wise Man doth not hoard. The more he giveth, the more he hath; the
more he watereth, the more is he watered himself.

The Tao of Heaven is like an Arrow, yet it woundeth not; and the Wise
Man, in all his Works, maketh no contention.

 

For the whole discussion ... that is truly eye opening ... also sorry to say, @Earl Grey please read what you cited, in the eyes of the external watcher going by this citation you are also belonging to the "not knowing" ... no offense

Also purely from the biological point ride is right, how it was handled the last two weeks they may have very well let it go without any measures at all.

The main problem is the incubation time, the rise you see now are the people infected 2 weeks ago, as there are only true consequences by govmnt the approx. last 4 days, so you will not see a change in infection rate in the next 2 Weeks. WHich will promt gvmnt to go to more extreme measures, which is the true unsettling thing

6 hours ago, gendao said:

The authors of reference apparently programmed the PCR machine to stop after 37 cycles if no DNA had been detected. This means that we don't have information on when or if the process would have terminated by the detection of if it had been allowed to continue. More importantly, what would it mean if DNA was detected on cycle 38 or 40 or 80? If the DNA is unique to the virus there is no other possible interpretation than that the person is infected. But it is possible that everyone would eventually detect enough DNA detected, which could only be interpreted as the corresponding RNA being endogenous (i.e. formed within the cells of the human body).

Given that several people bounced back from negative to positive again, one could argue that the cutoff should be lower than 37. But likely if this was done many more people might test positive, and even with a cutoff of, say, 40, going to negative and back again might still occur.

Going by PCR Standard, after a certain amount of cycles you will everytime measure something, because of heat induced recombination of the DNA and or statistically random binding of the Primer, as well as the partial damage to the reagents. And 38 Cycles is a hight number, normally you would beginn to see if one is positive at around 10 cycles.

The Problem with PCR is more to find a Primer that works in 90% of the cases, which is really hard (had to do that with several illness tests and most of the time you don´t get something at all)

Also Viral DNA is tricky in most cases, as it is a mixture of RNA and DNA, that is most likely only stable in a cell or the Virus in itself. If you crack it open (heat or reagents) it may very well denature and become unusable. Also you have to get a Virus particle into the test which is statistically hard as pcr mostly only accepts amounts of around 0.5 -1 µl of sample (which explains the bouncing)

This is why most tests don´t search for VIral DNA as it is nearly impossible to get a good reading. the most secure Way is to screen for antibodies, which is still in developement.

And this is why atm the most secure way to see anything is CT of the Lungs.

Edit:

Also most Painkillers /Anti inflammatory drugs need a healthy gastrointestinal tract, as they are quite aggressive in combination with stomach acid, even for a healthy person there are sometimes problems. But seeing as Covid also attacks the stomach, and intestines, the logic dictates, that such medicines will magnify the problems and may give the virus a way to attack the cells in the stomach

15 hours ago, gendao said:

There's only been a few cases of recurrence, and it's not confirmed if they were genuinely reinfections...or just due to false negatives or something?

As there are 2 Strains ( at least two known) you can very well get a reinfection just that it is another strain, much like the flu 

1 hour ago, Spotless said:

Just a quick note:

 

I found that several small spray bottles of rubbing alcohol are very effective in sanitizing:

 

It is not necessary to open a container of wipes (and dispose of the wipe)

 

One spray on one hand is more than enough for both hands

 

Can easily carry in pockets

 

Fine mist can clean keys and fobs and phones and door knobs and steering wheels and shift knobs - can be purchased super small or as large as you want.

Just be sure that the alcohol content is higher than 60% but lower than 85% otherwise it will do next to nothing 

At least they are far more farsighted than Germany .... 4 Weeks more strict regulations nothing else, and the ignorant youths are celebrating corona party´s ... their sight is far too short

On 21.2.2020 at 8:38 PM, idquest said:

Recently, there is an increasing interest in China with 'web novels' and large part of it is 'cultivation novels' that focus on daoist cultivation. My favourites are 'I Shall Seal the Heavens':

https://www.wuxiaworld.com/novel/i-shall-seal-the-heavens

 

and 'A Will Eternal':

https://www.wuxiaworld.com/novel/a-will-eternal

 

The first one is more dramatic and bitter one, the second is more lighthearted. They are huge, about 1500 chapters each. You can read first several dozens of chapters for free and then you'll have to pay.

Yeah they are quite good, sad that you now have to pay, at the beginning they were free.  

I started reading the posts i earnest ... and about site 4 i only thought screw it ... wtf are you arguing about ...i mean its the Rabbit Hole ... but that Topic is steering to the rabbits butthole ...

There were some things at the beginning that make sense the rest just escalated

1. There is a Biolab in Wuhan ... but it was apparently opened 2012 and reported serious issues with safety around 2017

2. in the Biolab the combination of various corona virus strains was experimented on and somewhat successful but yielded no usaeble Virus particles

3. The Biolab was apparently run by the WHO

4. there are 2 strains of Covid 19 and apparently you can get both at the same

5. both strains can apparently kill you as covid 19 itself counts to the prevalent immunity problem

These things are facts, the rest is just speculation ... even tought there is a possibility ...

And anyways ... why arguing like hell on a forum that is targeted at spiritual enlightment ... just go and meditate about it ... arguing paves the way to anger and fear, both weakens the kidneys, which is like the emergency PSU for your immune System.  So just arguing about it will weaken you and make you a better target for it.

EDit ... just saw its in general ... thats even worse ...

Hmm interesting the isochronic tones and the heartbeat in the first video seem to be trying to introduce trance ...  

Also i think its more of a symbol,  look at their site, at least officially they set it to the actions that happened in the timeframe whilst the movie was made, so it is more likely that the actual happenings you see in it are more of a repeating history.