Bindi

i think there is a categorical difference between images of other ‘beings’ and images of a physical or subtle body.

My mother was born with the ability to see the equivalent of a photographic image pop up randomly in her mind that contained information. After some years of dream work with me that suddenly turned into videos of information, that she could turn on, on demand. I found it to be a fascinating insight into the subtle body, she could also see inside the physical body. What she saw was remarkably similar to Indian information regarding the subtle body, as well as certain aspects of neidan, which is actually what brought me to this site, wanting to compare what she saw with what neidan stated. She herself was brought up Christian and had no idea what the things she saw meant, she simply stated what she saw. I understand that you might not believe any of this, but I was certainly convinced.

If I have an emotional reaction to someone or something and it’s a painful emotion or just something I’d prefer not to feel, I will catch myself tightening against it and remind myself to allow myself to fully feel it, so I agree there’s more than just dreams to do this with. The thing about dreams is I see them as a programme that a governing part of myself, some very broad knowledge part of myself, an overarching consciousness, is running over time, designed to undo reactive history at the root, both the historical emotions and stories that have conditioned us. I did identify with the feelings, I did see them as me, but there came a time when I started to shift my primary identification from being my thoughts and emotions to different aspects of myself. From all the information I’ve gathered the thought/emotion level is the paired side channels, the emotional channel going up and the mental channel coming down, creating a circuit. I see it as my consciousness travelling up the emotional channel (which took thirty years or so) and down the mental channel (which took a couple of months), removing all blocks as I went. Completing one circuit of the side channels allowed the consciousness’s of the central channel to activate, and my identification as being my emotional/mental level is diminishing. But in my paradigm though emotions and thoughts dont not drive me like they did, they remain as valid informants giving my whole organism important information. Energy still flows through them, they’re part of my subtle body, but they’re not the governor.

Part of my method for dream work is to “feel the feeling” after the dream has been interpreted to the best of one’s ability, which I did by recreating the dream in my mind and allowing myself as much as possible to re-enter the feeling created by the dream image. Doing this for decades, slowly getting better at it, allows the full force of a feeling to be experienced over time, and really this is what a fully open emotional channel is. Rumi’s poem captures the work perfectly - The Guest House Rumi Translated by Coleman Barks This being human is a guest house. Every morning a new arrival. A joy, a depression, a meanness, some momentary awareness comes as an unexpected visitor. Welcome and entertain them all! Even if they’re a crowd of sorrows, who violently sweep your house empty of its furniture, still, treat each guest honorably. He may be clearing you out for some new delight. The dark thought, the shame, the malice, meet them at the door laughing, and invite them in. Be grateful for whoever comes, because each has been sent as a guide from beyond.

Nadi’s and channels show up in dreams, think streams and rivers in various degrees of water flow for Ida/yin channel, and corridors that are dark and stifling or light and airy and open to fire for pingala/yang channel. For chakras it’s helpful to build upon Edgar cayces assertion that the glands are the physical underpinnings of the chakras. Dantians are a curious phenomenon, they’re like forgotten architecture in our subtle energy bodies that can be developed by very specific processes, I propose that evidence of dantians that are working are things like directed qi healing from the palms. This is measurable, it can be studied in a very strict manner, I’d happily take part in that experiment if anyone ever wanted to set it up. All of the above is visible to someone with “direct sight”. This is the frontier of human consciousness and awareness, multiple groups have knowledge of these systems, including Indian tantrics and yogis, Tibetan Buddhists, early neidan practitioners, there may be more.

I propose 2 new categories of study, the science of spirituality and the science of the subtle energy body. It involves mapping the realities of spirituality and the subtle body, and it’s not on an I reckon or I’ve heard basis, but aims to be as close as possible to the scientific method. in this study there can be such a thing as established truth that can be built upon and discussed, competing hypotheses can be presented, and disputes are inevitable and valuable as they directly contribute to an increasing body of knowledge of reality. As an analogy, if someone claims in conversation that the earth is flat, the World Trade Center was an American government false flag operation, or Jewish space lasers caused a hurricane, can we call these positions out, or do we have to respect individual beliefs?

I have an idea that sometimes what can seem precognitive might actually be karmic moments that are bound to happen as part of working out karma.

Just to clarify, the part of a person that can project its image somewhere else is actually the subtle energy body, which could be described as the spirit body. It’s merely the spiritual plane visible to physical eyes. It might not even be possible, it’s just one of the standard tests of spiritual achievement claims.

if you’re told that spaciousness and stillness is what we should be looking for, and you find spaciousness and stillness, then you can think you have arrived at what you believe to be the destination. But what if this as a destination is more like a model of consciousness, and as with all models they fray at the edges, and new comprehension of consciousness dawns. You believe your achievement is absolute, but it might be as primitive one day as the belief that rain gods needed to be sacrificed to to cause rain. You are working within the model you believe in, but in the future that model might have advanced significantly. From my perspective your model is incomplete because it doesn’t create flow in the subtle nadi’s, ie. the side channels and the central channel, it doesn’t activate chakras, it doesn’t build dantians, it seems mind based as opposed to subtle body based. My end point is direct seeing, resting upon one’s subtle body reality, of measurable, ascertainable things, within all levels of the body.

None of this is testable, anyone can imagine anything, but it doesn’t make it so. A legitimate test needs to be demonstrated, repeatable, and outside of subjective unprovable reporting. My test, appear in my lounge room, is an observable event, if I can describe what you look like afterwards, or you can describe what I look like, that would be a fairly convincing demonstration of unusual ability. Can you think of something along these sort of lines that you’re capable of?

I think the images that are used in dreams are very much based on conditioning and experience, but the plot of dreams is the objective part, I have found that dreams mirror the state of our psyche, subtle body and physical body without our subjective sense of our selves interfering. For instance ten people see a movie about a boat, a few of them have a dream of a boat, and all of those write it off as just the movie affecting them. But in each dream the boat does something different, one boat sinks, one loses its steering, one is moved by waves running parallel to the shore, one is speeding along a river. I see dreams as an incredible resource, but they come without an operators manual, at this point I think some of us are trying to write that manual. I’ve been at it for forty years so far, and I’ve found it to be a fascinating journey into all the levels of me. The objective reality I’m referring to is this objective mirror, the dream plot is delivered to my conscious mind without interference from my conscious mind. This is the most objective I can be about the nature of my own reality, which is what I’ve chosen to examine.

what are some of these experiments?

You take a leap of faith assuming that Laitg himself has the capabilities he claims. Put a claim to the test, the classic is ‘appear in my lounge room’ for people who claim special talents. But other tests might be better. Why would anyone just believe a claim without it being substantiated, unless you’re buying a bridge for sale?

Throwing away scientific ‘stories’ Is not necessarily wise. The Dalai Lama, a fairly respected Buddhist, is quite interested in science - I think reality is more interesting and more nuanced than just letting all stories go.

The human mind can know more than it does, but it needs extra parts of our system to be developed. I agree, it’s both hard, maybe even impossible, and if one could do it I think it could be dangerous. Following my trajectory, a higher consciousness is installed before the mental/emotional level is let go of.